Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #5

[Talullah]

I’ve caught up on the threads and wanted to consider things from all angles but I can’t get past some things.
Instead of pressing for MC’s call and message history, BC put his account on hold-among other changes to their phone plan.
She couldn’t bring herself to talk to the media but she did bring herself to have him declared dead, and from what I understand, sold a car MC gave her.
There’s no handbook for grief. Maybe I’m too sentimental, but I’d think the well being of her husband of almost 40 years would’ve been more important than her financial situation.
If there’s trouble some couples wear happy faces for their families to spare them the pain of hard times.
I suspect MC donned a happy face. Per a verified insider MC doted on her, still referred to her as his bride.
Nobody’s perfect. I don’t doubt MC had faults but BC’s actions and lack of seem more cold than practical.

 

[Tripod]

I'm of the belief now that MC and BC did not let on to family and friends of any discontent or problems in their relationship. One VI did, however, say that MC had mentioned he wasn't too happy with having to go pick his wife up in the wee hours ( perhaps more than once but I really don't know) to bring her home after being out drinking with her friends. I don't remember which thread that was on, but guessing #3?
It was also told us by one of the VIs that MC was aware of a friend of BC's accusing BC of having a fling with her husband. Whether all that has anything at all to do with his disappearance, who knows?

A couple of random questions I have: exactly who did know BC was returning to work that day, beside her employer and co-workers?

If a payment was made to another party, just before or after MCs disappearance, would it have been possible or likely that LE was able to check specific persons' bank records for any unusual transactions, or would it have been not possible to obtain warrants without enough info or evidence?

 

[Talullah]

BC was so frantic about finances no one probably thought to look into it. We don’t know how much, but we do know they kept cash in the house. BC probably preferred cash for certain transactions.
I’d think their kids, neighbors, friends-especially hers, knew she was back at work. I wonder if she went out much while she recuperated.

 

[Tripod]

BC was so frantic about finances no one probably thought to look into it. We don’t know how much, but we do know they kept cash in the house. BC probably preferred cash for certain transactions.
I’d think their kids, neighbors, friends-especially hers, knew she was back at work. I wonder if she went out much while she recuperated.

It's quite possible a whole bunch of folks knew she was going back to work that day. It's also possible just a few knew. It's a certainty not much is known about anything :tantrum:

I'm pretty sure, in my own mind, BC not being home that day, at that time, was by design- and that could point towards someone, or away from them.

Well, I just said a whole bunch of nothing, didn't I? :thinking:

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Does anyone know if Michael and BC's house has been sold or taken off the market? It was on several realtor sites a few weeks ago and now I don't see it. I was just wondering.

Says Sale Pending on I believe the Trulia site.

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It has a contract on it now.

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Listing status has changed back from “Sale Pending” to “Active”:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7044-Fm-2101_Quinlan_TX_75474_M74030-86352

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7086-Fm-2101-Quinlan-TX-75474/213099473_zpid/

https://www.trulia.com/p/tx/quinlan/7086-fm-2101-quinlan-tx-75474--2066732356

If I had the financial means, I would love to purchase the property and have it thoroughly examined by an independent forensics expert.

But then even if something suspicious were to be found (e.g., additional blood evidence, MC’s phone hidden in ductwork, -and I’m so sorry to even mention this - freshly poured concrete somewhere on the 10-acre property, etc.) and brought to the attention of HCSO, would they do anything with it?

I really don’t like to criticize LE in general because I believe that for the most part, they work hard to find the missing person and if it turns out there was foul play involved, they do everything they can to bring justice to the victim. I hope and pray this is the case with HCSO, and that we just aren’t seeing it because everything is happening behind the scenes ....

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

On the legal side, I noticed a couple of recent activities:

Both documents are available via idocket.com.

It appears that the request was made by a company that specializes in courthouse research and document retrieval on behalf of a third party:

http://www.crrginc.com/research.html

After reading the linked articles below, it appears that this is standard practice when the property to be sold is part of an estate, but I am really not sure:

https://www.parealtor.org/justliste...s-involving-a-power-of-attorney-or-an-estate/

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/ES/htm/ES.356.htm



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[Razz]

On the legal side, I noticed a couple of recent activities:

Both documents are available via idocket.com.

It appears that the request was made by a company that specializes in courthouse research and document retrieval on behalf of a third party:

http://www.crrginc.com/research.html

After reading the linked articles below, it appears that this is standard practice when the property to be sold is part of an estate, but I am really not sure:

https://www.parealtor.org/justliste...s-involving-a-power-of-attorney-or-an-estate/

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/ES/htm/ES.356.htm



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If I were buying the property, I would definitely need to know the history;
any liens....possible problems that could arise after the sale?

If it was the potential buyer that requested the docs, perhaps something spooked them from the sale.

The fact that this was MC's home wouldn't spook me but any potential legal issues would.

Great work as always, IMHO.

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[Razz]

Here is info re this company.


https://www.crrginc.com/about-us.html


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[inmyhumbleopinion]

If I were buying the property, I would definitely need to know the history;
any liens....possible problems that could arise after the sale?

If it was the potential buyer that requested the docs, perhaps something spooked them from the sale.

The fact that this was MC's home wouldn't spook me but any potential legal issues would.

Great work as always, IMHO.

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Thanks for your kind words, Razz.

Along with potential legal issues, there is the possibility of LE showing up with a search warrant any time, IMO.

 

[Razz]

Thanks for your kind words, Razz.

Along with potential legal issues, there is the possibility of LE showing up with a search warrant any time, IMO.

One would think if there was anything to find.....that BC would have already taken care of that issue. (IF BC was skullduggerously involved).She had unlimited access to the house for months. And technically, it is still her property so she could go back anytime to check the property. But others should have no business being there.

Still curious about the car that drove up during the night. I wonder if LE has placed a camera there.

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[lstiff]

Listing status has changed back from “Sale Pending” to “Active”:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7044-Fm-2101_Quinlan_TX_75474_M74030-86352

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7086-Fm-2101-Quinlan-TX-75474/213099473_zpid/

https://www.trulia.com/p/tx/quinlan/7086-fm-2101-quinlan-tx-75474--2066732356

If I had the financial means, I would love to purchase the property and have it thoroughly examined by an independent forensics expert.

But then even if something suspicious were to be found (e.g., additional blood evidence, MC’s phone hidden in ductwork, -and I’m so sorry to even mention this - freshly poured concrete somewhere on the 10-acre property, etc.) and brought to the attention of HCSO, would they do anything with it?

I really don’t like to criticize LE in general because I believe that for the most part, they work hard to find the missing person and if it turns out there was foul play involved, they do everything they can to bring justice to the victim. I hope and pray this is the case with HCSO, and that we just aren’t seeing it because everything is happening behind the scenes ....

This. Exactly this. I feel the same way.

IMO

 

[Razz]

Well, you could always put a contract on the house and I believe the contract allows time for an inspection. What's to keep someone from doing that?

Costly maybe but NOT as costly as actually purchasing the property.
A little escrow and the cost of a thorough "home inspection". And,
you'll get the escrow back.


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[RuthSleuth]

Agree. I have a feeling he may have been "cougared" into this. We shall see...

BD suggested MC could be found in an area. But I personally think they put off looking for a week IIRC and then found nothing. Hello? He could have been moved during this time. Especially if some part of LE is involved as some have suggested. It was mentioned in previous threads that BC had an affair with a constable from another area close by.

I still think he could have been pulled over and this would explain why ID not found. Also I don’t believe he ever drove home from Walmart. I believe as cameras showed that he left Walmart but I think he was pulled over on way home and tased and taken elsewhere.

This case is so close to my heart. I went to school and grew up with his nieces. My heart breaks for them.. I pray for answers, justice and most of all peace for them.


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[RuthSleuth]

The technology definitely exists. I have a close family member in state law enforcement here in Texas that works with this very thing. Unfortunately, the local agencies have to request the assistance with it. And that’s where HCSO dropped the ball. There was only a small window of opportunity to get said information before the wife had the phone service disconnected/suspended, and only a few short weeks after that before Apple (per their data retention policy) purged it from existence. Personally, insisting on getting this information would have been one of the FIRST things that I did had this been my spouse. However, the spouse involved chose different routes, and here we are. Still waiting for someone to break.


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It’s almost like someone was being coached by LE on how to ensure that data could not be retrieved........ IMO


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[RuthSleuth]

When MC's disappearance became known, it seems to me that BC knew why he was missing and that he wouldn't be returning.
1). Did she plan a "hit" of sorts?
2). Did someone else plan a hit?
3). Did she know of unresolved conflict
between MC and someone else and assumed the worst?
4). Did MC leave BC a note, stating he wouldn't be returning.

How was she able to convince a judge to sign off on a death certificate? There had to be proof of some kind.

Why did Sheriff M. imply in the first press conference that MC may have drawn (I'm paraphrasing) the trouble somewhere else away from BC so she wouldn't be harmed.

Just what do all these people know that no one else knows about?

I'm beginning to think that perhaps they do know what happened to MC but don't have enough evidence to present a case to the DA. What they may be waiting on is finding MC's body. That may hold the key to the reason and cause of his disappearance.

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I think all the pieces together tell a story. I think he will be found in an unlikely place. Strange that house is being sold. Maybe the new owners will find something.. I have heard that sometimes happens..

I think the perpetrators are just waiting until the body is so deteriorated that evidence is lost.

I think the lake needs to be checked again or any vacant or summer properties nearby.


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[RuthSleuth]

Listing status has changed back from “Sale Pending” to “Active”:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7044-Fm-2101_Quinlan_TX_75474_M74030-86352

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7086-Fm-2101-Quinlan-TX-75474/213099473_zpid/

https://www.trulia.com/p/tx/quinlan/7086-fm-2101-quinlan-tx-75474--2066732356

If I had the financial means, I would love to purchase the property and have it thoroughly examined by an independent forensics expert.

But then even if something suspicious were to be found (e.g., additional blood evidence, MC’s phone hidden in ductwork, -and I’m so sorry to even mention this - freshly poured concrete somewhere on the 10-acre property, etc.) and brought to the attention of HCSO, would they do anything with it?

I really don’t like to criticize LE in general because I believe that for the most part, they work hard to find the missing person and if it turns out there was foul play involved, they do everything they can to bring justice to the victim. I hope and pray this is the case with HCSO, and that we just aren’t seeing it because everything is happening behind the scenes ....

I would love to be wrong..


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[SavetheQueen]

BD suggested MC could be found in an area. But I personally think they put off looking for a week IIRC and then found nothing. Hello? He could have been moved during this time. Especially if some part of LE is involved as some have suggested. It was mentioned in previous threads that BC had an affair with a constable from another area close by.

I still think he could have been pulled over and this would explain why ID not found. Also I don’t believe he ever drove home from Walmart. I believe as cameras showed that he left Walmart but I think he was pulled over on way home and tased and taken elsewhere.

This case is so close to my heart. I went to school and grew up with his nieces. My heart breaks for them.. I pray for answers, justice and most of all peace for them.


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RuthSleuth, I fully believe he was pulled over.


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[KeepTheLightOn]

It's quite possible a whole bunch of folks knew she was going back to work that day. It's also possible just a few knew. It's a certainty not much is known about anything :tantrum:

I'm pretty sure, in my own mind, BC not being home that day, at that time, was by design- and that could point towards someone, or away from them.

Well, I just said a whole bunch of nothing, didn't I? :thinking:

I have said this before and it is my own opinion. BC/VI stated that she had her cast removed on Friday, March 10. (The day MC went missing.). I would like to know where her physician is located: Quinlan, Commerce, or Dallas? Did MC drive her? Once the cast was removed, she probably contacted her employer and provided them with a medical release and any physical restrictions. When her employer made the schedule for Friday, they would not have known she would be released that morning. IMO, by the time she went to the dr. And back to employer, I think they would have said "Let's get you on the schedule for Monday." That would have left Friday open for her. Did she and MC meet someone somewhere? My background is Human Resources and when someone is released from a medical leave, there is paperwork to be done, etc. I have a hard time believing she worked that day.

 

[KeepTheLightOn]

Listing status has changed back from “Sale Pending” to “Active”:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7044-Fm-2101_Quinlan_TX_75474_M74030-86352

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7086-Fm-2101-Quinlan-TX-75474/213099473_zpid/

https://www.trulia.com/p/tx/quinlan/7086-fm-2101-quinlan-tx-75474--2066732356

If I had the financial means, I would love to purchase the property and have it thoroughly examined by an independent forensics expert.

But then even if something suspicious were to be found (e.g., additional blood evidence, MC’s phone hidden in ductwork, -and I’m so sorry to even mention this - freshly poured concrete somewhere on the 10-acre property, etc.) and brought to the attention of HCSO, would they do anything with it?

I really don’t like to criticize LE in general because I believe that for the most part, they work hard to find the missing person and if it turns out there was foul play involved, they do everything they can to bring justice to the victim. I hope and pray this is the case with HCSO, and that we just aren’t seeing it because everything is happening behind the scenes ....

I noticed that the price has dropped. Wasn't she asking $365,000? I wonder if the prospective buyer found out what was going on? Also, I hope Michael's children were allowed to go thru the house and take a memento or shirt of their Dad's? I hope so.

 

[KeepTheLightOn]

On the legal side, I noticed a couple of recent activities:

Both documents are available via idocket.com.

It appears that the request was made by a company that specializes in courthouse research and document retrieval on behalf of a third party:

http://www.crrginc.com/research.html

After reading the linked articles below, it appears that this is standard practice when the property to be sold is part of an estate, but I am really not sure:

https://www.parealtor.org/justliste...s-involving-a-power-of-attorney-or-an-estate/

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/ES/htm/ES.356.htm



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IMHO, You always amaze me with your sleuthing! Thank you for working on this case, doing the research, and sharing the information!