Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #6

[txhousewife83]

Actually, I don’t think he ever made it home from WalMart. But if he did, I think he’s buried on the property.


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I initially thought that he never made it home as well. But something just doesnt add up for me...the trip from Wal-Mart to his house is very short and I think if he was stopped ie..pulled over...flagged down..etc that someone would have remembered seeing that. 2101 is travelled more than people realize. Him arriving home and being attacked shortly after he entered his shop makes the most sense to me. I also can't see someone taking him away in broad daylight without being noticed. Which is why i think he may still be there.

 

[JazzTune]

Forgive me JazzTune, but I feel the shark is being jumped a bit. [emoji226] [emoji4]

I know you and many others have made up your mind on this. And I'm all for proving or disproving your theory but I'd like to prove or disprove the suicide theory too. I don't know what MY theory is yet because so much is unknown. But what's wrong with exploring ALL theories?

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Oh you're absolutely right. You nailed me. I had it coming. My snark is showing. :blushing:

It's not fair of me to act like that. But here's the thing. I DO want to keep my mind open to all theories, but honestly the HCSO makes me cringe!

How can I believe anything they say? I look at the case like a pyramid. There's the base, which should be the basic details of what happened. Thing is, we don't know!

The next layers of the pyramid are built on top of that base, with information obtained from facts. ( Again, we don't know! )

So, that's sort of an explanation ( not an excuse ) for why I've been over the top here.

I really am sorry for singling out your post like that. Not my best self...:blushing:


JMO

 

[Razz]

Oh you're absolutely right. You nailed me. I had it coming. My snark is showing. :blushing:

It's not fair of me to act like that. But here's the thing. I DO want to keep my mind open to all theories, but honestly the HCSO makes me cringe!

How can I believe anything they say? I look at the case like a pyramid. There's the base, which should be the basic details of what happened. Thing is, we don't know!

The next layers of the pyramid are built on top of that base, with information obtained from facts. ( Again, we don't know! )

So, that's sort of an explanation ( not an excuse ) for why I've been over the top here.

I really am sorry for singling out your post like that. Not my best self...:blushing:


JMO

I realize that most here have a hard time believing what SM says and that those of you live there have no trust in the HCSO. I get that.

It may be easier for me to see both sides because I'm not there. I don't know any of the personalities. But I feel/think whether justified or not, anger toward BC and SM is not
helping.

I don't think looking at the possibility
of suicide is unreasonable.
And I don't mean in any way to disrespect the family. I just want to
vet that theory, as unpopular as it is.
If he did (and I am not saying he did)
it seems he'd be easier to find. Have we
completely considered where he'd be if we considered suicide?

This may sound like a stupid question, but does MC swim? I can't imagine that he doesn't but just thought I'd ask.








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[JazzTune]

I realize that most here have a hard time believing what SM says and that those of you live there have no trust in the HCSO. I get that.

It may be easier for me to see both sides because I'm not there. I don't know any of the personalities. But I feel/think whether justified or not, anger toward BC and SM is not
helping.

I don't think looking at the possibility
of suicide is unreasonable.
And I don't mean in any way to disrespect the family. I just want to
vet that theory, as unpopular as it is.
If he did (and I am not saying he did)
it seems he'd be easier to find. Have we
completely considered where he'd be if we considered suicide?

This may sound like a stupid question, but does MC swim? I can't imagine that he doesn't but just thought I'd ask.








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I don't live anywhere near there, nor do I know any of the personalities either. My anger is really on behalf of MC and his family. They had a right to a thorough investigation. No excuse whatsoever for such dereliction of duty by the HCSO.

In this case, I believe anger is truly justified. Anger is not necessarily a bad thing. It can spur us on to make better decisions. To not be as gullible? ( That old saying: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!" )

So, distrust is what I actually feel toward the HCSO. When Law Enforcement Officers prove they have not carried out their sworn duties, it's difficult for me to give them the benefit of the doubt again.

I'm confident though that MC's family members, through their P.I. are channeling their anger to focus on fillling the missing blanks with factual data.

I agree it's good to examine all theories. It would have been good if the HCSO would have done that first.

I can't speak for anyone else but myself. I have detailed in past posts why I don't believe MC killed himself. I worked on an adult psychiatric locked inpatient unit of a regular hospital for over 15 years.

Being surrounded by suicidal patients, I got a very strong 'feel' for suicide vibes. Not saying I am 100% correct, but I do NOT get a suicide vibe from MC. I never have. Not one single time.

( Though I didn't post in MC's thread until a few months after he disappeared, I followed his case from day one. )

Gut feeling mainly. Not psychic. Nothing of that sort. But I've always believed he was living his life and somehow got targeted by another for reasons only known by that person.

It's hard for me then to think of him as a possible suicide when I don't believe it in my heart.

All of us are free to look at the theories however we want. We may not agree but that's okay too. That's how we learn from each other.

So, please keep sharing your thoughts and ideas; don't get discouraged because some of us are on the other side.

At the end of the day, we're all here for the same purpose. To find out what happened to MC...


JMO

 

[kidetect22]

Credence? Or staging AFTER the fact? Was it there all along?

Wonder when the photos were taken?

Very skeptical...

I'm with SavetheQueen on this. That WalMart sale probably came along, right at the perfect time...

( However, it does look like a woman's bike. WalMart must have sold out of the men's...)


JMO

This is how I’m feeling. I would love to see if a bike has been purchased by BC in the last say... 6 months. How long has the house been on the market again ?! My bet she bought it pretty concurrent with that being placed for sale and not to longer after SM came up with the theory. Now if SM came up with the theory on his own or with the help of BC is beyond me... IMO

 

[Razz]

Oh you're absolutely right. You nailed me. I had it coming. My snark is showing. :blushing:

It's not fair of me to act like that. But here's the thing. I DO want to keep my mind open to all theories, but honestly the HCSO makes me cringe!

How can I believe anything they say? I look at the case like a pyramid. There's the base, which should be the basic details of what happened. Thing is, we don't know!

The next layers of the pyramid are built on top of that base, with information obtained from facts. ( Again, we don't know! )

So, that's sort of an explanation ( not an excuse ) for why I've been over the top here.

I really am sorry for singling out your post like that. Not my best self...:blushing:


JMO

JazzTune-I wasn't calling you out
for snark. So no need to apologise.
I meant I thought the bike staging was jumping the shark. From Happy Days.
Basically I was saying I thought the bike staging was a reach. I wasn't
being snarky but I am the one who should apologise. So, I am sorry.

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[JazzTune]

JazzTune-I wasn't calling you out
for snark. So no need to apologise.
I meant I thought the bike staging was jumping the shark. From Happy Days.
Basically I was saying I thought the bike staging was a reach. I wasn't
being snarky but I am the one who should apologise. So, I am sorry.

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Oh, okay, thanks! Sorry I misunderstood, but no need to apologize.

Guess I was feeling like I pushed a bit too far and had it coming to me anyway...:facepalm:

Thanks again...


JMO

 

[Deleted member 50844]

Oh this case jumped the shark a LONG time ago. IMO the biggest jump is the bicycle suicide theory that SM fully expected people to believe. Well, so far anyway. I can't wait to see what he comes out with in the Disappeared episode. Alien abduction? The Black Hole sucked him up? He ran away and is living in a hippie commune, happily herding goats?

After all this time, I still have no idea what happened. We don't have much factual info except for the bizarre behavior of a few people close to Mr. Chambers, or supposedly close, and the fact that he is missing.
We have a TON of possible explanations for every aspect. Yet none fit completely, even the ones that are very fleshed out, yet.
Hopefully soon, for the sake of this family.

 

[creepcrusher]

I don't live anywhere near there, nor do I know any of the personalities either. My anger is really on behalf of MC and his family. They had a right to a thorough investigation. No excuse whatsoever for such dereliction of duty by the HCSO.

In this case, I believe anger is truly justified. Anger is not necessarily a bad thing. It can spur us on to make better decisions. To not be as gullible? ( That old saying: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!" )

So, distrust is what I actually feel toward the HCSO. When Law Enforcement Officers prove they have not carried out their sworn duties, it's difficult for me to give them the benefit of the doubt again.

I'm confident though that MC's family members, through their P.I. are channeling their anger to focus on fillling the missing blanks with factual data.

I agree it's good to examine all theories. It would have been good if the HCSO would have done that first.

I can't speak for anyone else but myself. I have detailed in past posts why I don't believe MC killed himself. I worked on an adult psychiatric locked inpatient unit of a regular hospital for over 15 years.

Being surrounded by suicidal patients, I got a very strong 'feel' for suicide vibes. Not saying I am 100% correct, but I do NOT get a suicide vibe from MC. I never have. Not one single time.

( Though I didn't post in MC's thread until a few months after he disappeared, I followed his case from day one. )

Gut feeling mainly. Not psychic. Nothing of that sort. But I've always believed he was living his life and somehow got targeted by another for reasons only known by that person.

It's hard for me then to think of him as a possible suicide when I don't believe it in my heart.

All of us are free to look at the theories however we want. We may not agree but that's okay too. That's how we learn from each other.

So, please keep sharing your thoughts and ideas; don't get discouraged because some of us are on the other side.

At the end of the day, we're all here for the same purpose. To find out what happened to MC...


JMO

I completely agree with all of this. When someone is depressed to the point of suicide- there are usually warning signs beforehand. From what we’ve seen and read NONE of the family believes he would have done this. Which is why I am confused as to why HCSO never investigated this as a criminal case. Especially when in missing person’s cases the spouse is the first person they thoroughly look at. HCSO supposedly hasn’t even checked out BC’s iMessages. What kind of investigation is that?

 

[SavetheQueen]

It was laughable at 2 mph. I believe SM is confused.

So forget SM for a minute.

Who did the bike ride? IE: how long did it take? Did they attempt both ways? Was it on the same day of the week that MC disappeared? (I'm asking that for traffic purposes). TIA

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Google, and several avid bikers say that the average biking speed is around 11mph. 4mph is still too slow. Humans walk faster than that.

Plus, the family, the friends and neighbors, and Klein say that he never rode a bike. And Klein says that the mystery bike doesn’t exist. It didn’t happen. As far as I’m personally concerned, the bike scenario is a moot point. All this bike conversation is null and nothing. Next! JMHO.


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[SavetheQueen]

Credence? Or staging AFTER the fact? Was it there all along?

Wonder when the photos were taken?

Very skeptical...

I'm with SavetheQueen on this. That WalMart sale probably came along, right at the perfect time...

( However, it does look like a woman's bike. WalMart must have sold out of the men's...)


JMO

Looks like the new pictures were taken after the cars and other large items were removed. I see that bike in the pictures as just another jab at our intelligence.


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[SavetheQueen]

I initially thought that he never made it home as well. But something just doesnt add up for me...the trip from Wal-Mart to his house is very short and I think if he was stopped ie..pulled over...flagged down..etc that someone would have remembered seeing that. 2101 is travelled more than people realize. Him arriving home and being attacked shortly after he entered his shop makes the most sense to me. I also can't see someone taking him away in broad daylight without being noticed. Which is why i think he may still be there.

My personal opinion is he was pulled over. Corrupt cop. Missing DL. Fake traffic stop.


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[JazzTune]

Looks like the new pictures were taken after the cars and other large items were removed. I see that bike in the pictures as just another jab at our intelligence.


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I noticed that as well. Also the garage walls and shelves were basically bare.

What jumped out at me too was that bare board hanging on the left wall, with the empty hooks that had once held MC's tools.

I recognized the board and hooks because my husband has the exact same type in our garage for display of his tools too.

I also remember all the discussion about the disposition of MC's tools by BC, and the disputes about their value, after MC had disappeared.

So yeah, I think it's a fair assumption the photos were likely taken after MC disappeared...


JMO

 

[txhousewife83]

This is how I’m feeling. I would love to see if a bike has been purchased by BC in the last say... 6 months. How long has the house been on the market again ?! My bet she bought it pretty concurrent with that being placed for sale and not to longer after SM came up with the theory. Now if SM came up with the theory on his own or with the help of BC is beyond me... IMO

I believe she put the house on the market in early February of this year...and there is a huge flea market nearby that she could've bought the bike from... more than likely would have been a cash transaction

 

[kidetect22]

I think he’s buried in the yard. Under the burn pile. I don’t think he ever left the property, either.


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I have to agree that I believe he is somewhere on the property. Or very very close to it. Seems to be a lot of timber around their home.

 

[txhousewife83]

The boat ramp is not at the end of the road but it is about 5 minutes down the road on the route he would have taken to from his house to the 2 mile bridge.. i will upload a map a lil later

I circled the house and the boat ramp is where the arrow is..

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[Tripod]

I don't think you're being a contrarian. I think you like to see facts and explore all possibilities. It keeps everyone on their toes.

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I want too much. Like, all the facts we don't know, lol. That's not asking a lot, is it ?

 

[Tripod]

I think we can all appreciate a contrarian in a discussion such as this. That being said, if you actually follow the exact same route as MC is said to have traveled, you will see there are many houses, churches, businesses, a very popular boat ramp, and schools along the way...and that's just on fm rd 2101...before you get into town. That is only about 1/4 of the trip....SOMEBODY would have seen him. No question about it. The whole bicycle theory is about as close to impossible as you can get. The boat theory, however, makes a lot of sense. The speed is more consistent with a boat and as I said before, there is a popular boat ramp about 5 minutes up the road from the house.

In many ways, a boat makes more sense. MC didn't have a boat, so you have the problem of how to move either a live MC or deceased MC from the shop, to the ramp, to the boat. And no one seems to have seen anything like that, either.

Just hoping beyond hope we get much more info on the phone movement. I keep harping on that. If it did move from his home to the bridge, it certainly didn't get there by itself. I can't buy a theory that if foul play, perp 1 took MC by vehicle, while perp 2 walked fast/jogged/biked by him/herself for the sole reason of tossing MC's phone off the bridge.

 

[Tripod]

I live in the area and i drove the exact route he would have taken.... the ONLY route he would have been able to go logically. It is definitely country living out there, but it is not as desolate as you would think and the road is frequently travelled. At some point along the way someone would have seen him. I passed countless homes, some less than 20 feet away from the street, an auto salvage yard, a boat ramp entrance, 2 churches, and a school/orphanage that is located on the corner of 2101 and the main hwy 34 that runs through quinlan..also part of his route. Not to mention once he got into town he would have passed by a dairy queen, dollar tree, walmart, sonic, a fruitstand, several gas stations and another church...and too many more to name. Another interesting fact is that there is no shoulder on 2101...he would have to have ridden in the street...and nobody remembers having to slow down for some elderly man riding a bike on a very long country road? That would stick out to me.

The no-shoulder on the road is quite problematic. Truthfully, most people don't remember details well at all. Probably because I'm not that many years away from being 70, I don't see being 70 as necessarily being elderly, and I've seen lots of people @that age on bikes ( and walking, and jogging ) . I may well have seen someone on a bike or fast-walking last week, and wouldn't remember.

At least we know for a fact that there was at least one bike in that shop At some point.

 

[cnmccarthy]

Google, and several avid bikers say that the average biking speed is around 11mph. 4mph is still too slow. Humans walk faster than that.

Plus, the family, the friends and neighbors, and Klein say that he never rode a bike. And Klein says that the mystery bike doesn’t exist. It didn’t happen. As far as I’m personally concerned, the bike scenario is a moot point. All this bike conversation is null and nothing. Next! JMHO.


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I 100% agree. Besides that, if an old man with bad knees were to bike 18 miles on rural roads, he would’ve had to have been an avid biker. A novice would not be able to make that distance. And there are no pictures of him doing bike races or biking period..not to mention what you had said about his family denying he was a biker. If he was, then him in some type of bike wear or on a bike would’ve most likely been part of the missing posters. They talked about him being a fire fighter, loving cars, loving his kids and grandkids...and there are pictures of all of this..not biking. IMO