Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #6

[Razz]

I was walking today and imagined my finger being cut. When I walk, I swing my arms. Say it was the left hand that was cut. My left hand/arm swings across the body leaving spots on the right side and when the left arm comes back, there are spots on the left side creating the seesaw effect of the blood drops that we see beyond the puddle.

Also, our VI said MC's billfold was in its proper place in the shop. However, in the photo shown on the special, it appeared the billfold was on the edge of a table or cabinet. It didn't strike me as a proper place.

 

[ocgrad]

It would be great if you would post a still pic.

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[ocgrad]

Sorry about that.

 

[creepcrusher]

Sorry about that.View attachment 135542

I keep picturing him lying in the back of an open truck bed, the blood dripping down to the concrete. Then someone moving him further in and closing it before they transfer him. But maybe the bed of a truck is still too high up for that kind of blood splatter.

 

[drama_farmer]

Sorry about that.View attachment 135542

Wow, those drops appear so uniform: in size, shape and density. To me, that would suggest the source of the blood was stationary for some period of time. The almost perfect "circles" suggest the blood was being dropped straight down, and the source was being held quite still. Almost as if the person didn't realize they were bleeding, or weren't in a position (or state) to attend to the wound. IMO

 

[creepcrusher]

Wow, those drops appear so uniform: in size, shape and density. To me, that would suggest the source of the blood was stationary for some period of time. The almost perfect "circles" suggest the blood was being dropped straight down, and the source was being held quite still. Almost as if the person didn't realize they were bleeding, or weren't in a position (or state) to attend to the wound. IMO

I agree. I think it shows he wasn't moving. He was most likely unconscious, and the killer might have had MC's blood on his hand and wiped it on the dowel. He could have easily been wearing gloves.

 

[Talullah]

Maybe someone used the dowel as a tool to move MC.

 

[Talullah]

I keep picturing him lying in the back of an open truck bed, the blood dripping down to the concrete. Then someone moving him further in and closing it before they transfer him. But maybe the bed of a truck is still too high up for that kind of blood splatter.

I don’t think a trailer would be too high.

 

[perfectingpink]

I keep picturing him lying in the back of an open truck bed, the blood dripping down to the concrete. Then someone moving him further in and closing it before they transfer him. But maybe the bed of a truck is still too high up for that kind of blood splatter.

A smaller truck may not be. Like an S-10?

 

[perfectingpink]

What are other objects that could be used to move MC which are low to the ground?

Tallulah gave the example of a trailer.
I said small truck.

Other options:
Wheelbarrow
4 Wheeler
Shop creeper (that you go under vehicles with)
A board moved around with hydraulic jacks

 

[ocgrad]

Expirated spatter - is usually caused by blood from an internal injury mixing with air from the lungs being expelled through the nose, mouth or an injury to the airways or lungs. Expirated spatter tends to form a very fine mist due to the pressure exerted by the lungs moving air out of the body. Small air bubbles in the drops of blood are typically found in this type of spatter.
Bloodstain Pattern Analysis: Principles

Hopefully you can detect the different areas of the blood in this photo. The blue arrow is pointing to the part that looks rough almost like a pebbled surface like it may be foamy, blood droplets with air mixed. The green arrow is the spray which I thought at first was just little tiny splashes from the larger drops but that area marked with my arrow doesn't have any large drops, it is just spray. If it was expelled through the mouth it would have strings of saliva. I wonder if that was tested. Anyway it's odd how there are differences in the blood all in one spot.

 

[kidetect22]

What are other objects that could be used to move MC which are low to the ground?

Tallulah gave the example of a trailer.
I said small truck.

Other options:
Wheelbarrow
4 Wheeler
Shop creeper (that you go under vehicles with)
A board moved around with hydraulic jacks

I keep thinking a 4 wheeler would have also been used to drive the 4.5mph to the bridge to toss his phone as well.... just saying!

 

[mpnola]

I keep thinking a 4 wheeler would have also been used to drive the 4.5mph to the bridge to toss his phone as well.... just saying!

I don't know how other people drive 4 wheelers, but we used to ride our 3 wheelers on the highway at our property in Mississippi. We would be keeping up with the highway traffic. I can't imagine anyone driving that slowly. Anything motorized.

Do yall think those tiny dots are blood? I keep going back and forth if they are blood or just part of the floor. . How come we didn't hear about those spatter droplets when we found out about the quarter sized drops? Cause that's a different ballgame.

 

[sassyblue]

What are other objects that could be used to move MC which are low to the ground?

Tallulah gave the example of a trailer.
I said small truck.

Other options:
Wheelbarrow
4 Wheeler
Shop creeper (that you go under vehicles with)
A board moved around with hydraulic jacks

I have a wooden pallet on wheels which is used to move furniture with...although I use it to move heavy potted plants. I got it from a moving company. It sits just a few inches off the ground...about 6" off the ground.

 

[Tripod]

I don't know how other people drive 4 wheelers, but we used to ride our 3 wheelers on the highway at our property in Mississippi. We would be keeping up with the highway traffic. I can't imagine anyone driving that slowly. Anything motorized.

Do yall think those tiny dots are blood? I keep going back and forth if they are blood or just part of the floor. . How come we didn't hear about those spatter droplets when we found out about the quarter sized drops? Cause that's a different ballgame.

Been wondering the same thing about the tiny specks. Also thinking that some of the differences in the appearances of some drops could be due to the blood starting to dry- at slightly different rates because of different layers of the blood drop amounts? ( if that makes any sense )

 

[ocgrad]

I don't know how other people drive 4 wheelers, but we used to ride our 3 wheelers on the highway at our property in Mississippi. We would be keeping up with the highway traffic. I can't imagine anyone driving that slowly. Anything motorized.

Do yall think those tiny dots are blood? I keep going back and forth if they are blood or just part of the floor. . How come we didn't hear about those spatter droplets when we found out about the quarter sized drops? Cause that's a different ballgame.

Nothing in the way the blood was described prepared me for what it actually looked like in the video. I think the fine spatter is blood. It looks like many blood spatter analysis photos.

 

[mpnola]

Nothing in the way the blood was described prepared me for what it actually looked like in the video. I think the fine spatter is blood. It looks like many blood spatter analysis photos.

You are so right!!! I was thinking maybe 6 drops total, 2 to 3 feet apart, 1 at a time. WHAAAAAT the heck was that big scene on the ground that was so incongruent to what I thought ??

 

[sassyblue]

I don't know how other people drive 4 wheelers, but we used to ride our 3 wheelers on the highway at our property in Mississippi. We would be keeping up with the highway traffic. I can't imagine anyone driving that slowly. Anything motorized.

Do yall think those tiny dots are blood? I keep going back and forth if they are blood or just part of the floor. . How come we didn't hear about those spatter droplets when we found out about the quarter sized drops? Cause that's a different ballgame.

My husband has been riding motorcycles for years. When he got the four wheeler to just use here on the property he taught me how to drive it. I go very slowly. Not my thing. He zips around on our property but if he gets on the black top to go down the road to the neighbors etc he travels very slowly. He's not wearing protective gear and the cars whizzing by are going 55 mph if not more. Four wheelers are on many roads in my rural area but they tend to stick to the shoulders and it's usually a farmer with a shovel across the front riding it. I would never ever remember one to point out they were going down a busy street on the shoulder at any given time...too common to remember features or times etc. I don't live in TX though...could be different there.

My guess would be it would be someone not familiar or comfortable with a four wheeler at high speed or someone familiar with the four wheeler but not wearing gear or hoping to not be noticed as they drive along the shoulder.

 

[creepcrusher]

You are so right!!! I was thinking maybe 6 drops total, 2 to 3 feet apart, 1 at a time. WHAAAAAT the heck was that big scene on the ground that was so incongruent to what I thought ??

Yet HCSO doesn’t call it a crime that he’s gone missing and allows possible evidence to be contaminated.

 

[ocgrad]

I was walking today and imagined my finger being cut. When I walk, I swing my arms. Say it was the left hand that was cut. My left hand/arm swings across the body leaving spots on the right side and when the left arm comes back, there are spots on the left side creating the seesaw effect of the blood drops that we see beyond the puddle.

Also, our VI said MC's billfold was in its proper place in the shop. However, in the photo shown on the special, it appeared the billfold was on the edge of a table or cabinet. It didn't strike me as a proper place.

I don't get the idea from looking at many blood spatter photos that you could get round solid drops if you were talking or swinging your arms. I also don't think you would just hold your hand down if you were bleeding at that volume. It seems normal if bleeding heavily to at least hold your hand up, cup it, or wrap something around it. It also seems like you would go to the bathroom and check it, wash it, maybe get the medicine kit.