Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #6

[mpnola]

My husband has been riding motorcycles for years. When he got the four wheeler to just use here on the property he taught me how to drive it. I go very slowly. Not my thing. He zips around on our property but if he gets on the black top to go down the road to the neighbors etc he travels very slowly. He's not wearing protective gear and the cars whizzing by are going 55 mph if not more. Four wheelers are on many roads in my rural area but they tend to stick to the shoulders and it's usually a farmer with a shovel across the front riding it. I would never ever remember one to point out they were going down a busy street on the shoulder at any given time...too common to remember features or times etc. I don't live in TX though...could be different there.

My guess would be it would be someone not familiar or comfortable with a four wheeler at high speed or someone familiar with the four wheeler but not wearing gear or hoping to not be noticed as they drive along the shoulder.

I can see most not going 50. But 4 miles per hour is really slow. Your car will barely idle you down the road that slowly. Drive your car 4mph tomorrow. I think you will think it's too slow, even for the most cautious rider. Especially riding along the roads they tracked. Someone would have seen that. That not fact, though, it's just my thoughts

 

[Tripod]

If he grabbed the dowel, it had to be after he was bleeding or while he was bleeding. One would think there would be arcs of blood if he was swinging the dowel at someone. Also, there were no signs of a struggle in the shop.

Had he been attacked outside and wrapped in a tarp and then brought inside, how did he get to the dowel?

He may not have had a chance to swing the dowel after he grabbed it, or he could have simply held it in front of him to try to thwart a knife, for example. Even though the photo is visceral and disturbing, the actual size of the pool of drops has been described as the size of a dinner plate, so it may look like a lot more blood than it is in reality. Still, it's not the size of an injury that only requires a bandaid..

I think if he were attacked outside the shop, there would have been at least some blood or other signs of that. Klein seems to believe the incident occurred in the shop and the movement of MC was from the pool of blood toward the man-door.

 

[mpnola]

Yet HCSO doesn’t call it a crime that he’s gone missing and allows possible evidence to be contaminated.

That is the most confusing of all......

 

[DexterG]

What are other objects that could be used to move MC which are low to the ground?

Tallulah gave the example of a trailer.
I said small truck.

Other options:
Wheelbarrow
4 Wheeler
Shop creeper (that you go under vehicles with)
A board moved around with hydraulic jacks

An engine hoist would also get him around the same distance off the floor and easy to wheel around.

 

[mpnola]

I can't be the only one wanting to experiment with a dropper from different heights to see what happens , right? I don't have access to blood, but I paint all day and I feel like I could test with some thinned paint.

 

[perfectingpink]

Hopefully you can detect the different areas of the blood in this photo. The blue arrow is pointing to the part that looks rough almost like a pebbled surface like it may be foamy, blood droplets with air mixed. The green arrow is the spray which I thought at first was just little tiny splashes from the larger drops but that area marked with my arrow doesn't have any large drops, it is just spray. If it was expelled through the mouth it would have strings of saliva. I wonder if that was tested. Anyway it's odd how there are differences in the blood all in one spot.
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Looking at the blue arrow, could that be a palm print? What I find interesting is the high-velocity drops seem to go out from the area the blue arrow is pointing to, it goes out the entire 360 degrees around it. Would this splatter be caused by a hand heavily smacking down in the middle of the pool of blood?

 

[perfectingpink]

I can't be the only one wanting to experiment with a dropper from different heights to see what happens , right? I don't have access to blood, but I paint all day and I feel like I could test with some thinned paint.

Let me see if I can get Mr. Pink to volunteer his blood. I am sure he won't mind.

 

[Razz]

I am always tracking dirt and sand on the sidewalk, porch and sometimes in the house. If they brought something in to carry him....say a truck, 4 wheeler, etc. I would think there would be tracks of dirt or sand.

 

[perfectingpink]

I am always tracking dirt and sand on the sidewalk, porch and sometimes in the house. If they brought something in to carry him....say a truck, 4 wheeler, etc. I would think there would be tracks of dirt or sand.

Do we know what kind of surface is in the driveway or area by the shop? If it is sand or dirt I agree this puts a damper on the theory other vehicles were on the property that have not been accounted for but if it is gravel, I think it would be difficult to tell.

 

[kidetect22]

I don't know how other people drive 4 wheelers, but we used to ride our 3 wheelers on the highway at our property in Mississippi. We would be keeping up with the highway traffic. I can't imagine anyone driving that slowly. Anything motorized.

Do yall think those tiny dots are blood? I keep going back and forth if they are blood or just part of the floor. . How come we didn't hear about those spatter droplets when we found out about the quarter sized drops? Cause that's a different ballgame.

I agree that speed for anything motorized is SLOW! Like really slow. But if you were pretending to search for someone... would you go that slow ?!

What time was his phone supposedly on the bridge again ?!!! Sorry- just woke up, haven’t had coffee and my brain is still foggy.

 

[kidetect22]

Do we know what kind of surface is in the driveway or area by the shop? If it is sand or dirt I agree this puts a damper on the theory other vehicles were on the property that have not been accounted for but if it is gravel, I think it would be difficult to tell.

I believe it’s a mixture of rock and grass- grass like it needed to be white rocked over again ... I’ll need to go back and take a gander at that as well.

Edited to add: I went off the crimewatch video and it looks more like gravel.

 

[Talullah]

Someone, maybe BC, bought gravel since it looks like grass and sand in the realtor’s pictures. I think everyone’s focus that evening was finding MC-which is good-but they probably missed a lot. It couldn’t have helped that before she called 911, BC was cruising the property, searching for MC, with her neighbor on a 4-wheeler with big tires that probably compromised any unusual tracks.

 

[creepcrusher]

Someone, maybe BC, bought gravel since it looks like grass and sand in the realtor’s pictures. I think everyone’s focus that evening was finding MC-which is good-but they probably missed a lot. It couldn’t have helped that before she called 911, BC was cruising the property, searching for MC, with her neighbor on a 4-wheeler with big tires that probably compromised any unusual tracks.

Exactly. Any tracks they may have left behind could’ve been easily covered. And again LE didn’t seem to be analyzing a crime scene. They were just looking for Michael, who they thought voluntarily walked away. Didn’t our VI say that they didn’t even anaylize the blood until much after he went missing? Or am I mistaken?

 

[Talullah]

Exactly. Any tracks they may have left behind could’ve been easily covered. And again LE didn’t seem to be analyzing a crime scene. They were just looking for Michael, who they thought voluntarily walked away. Didn’t our VI say that they didn’t even anaylize the blood until much after he went missing? Or am I mistaken?

It was a few days before they tested the blood on the floor and if I remember correctly 2 weeks before tested dowel. It’s a miracle it was still there.
The thing is we don’t know how long BC was home or what she did before calling 911. It’s disturbing that she asked Suzy if the blood could be transmission fluid, like it was more of a suggestion than a question.

 

[sassyblue]

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I can see most not going 50. But 4 miles per hour is really slow. Your car will barely idle you down the road that slowly. Drive your car 4mph tomorrow. I think you will think it's too slow, even for the most cautious rider. Especially riding along the roads they tracked. Someone would have seen that. That not fact, though, it's just my thoughts

I decided to experiment today and drove 5 miles an hour up my gravel drive. Which was abt what I normally do anyway since I have lots of wildlife that I prefer to get out of my way well in advance. On the blacktop though it was beyond extremely slow but if I was on the gravel shoulder on my DH's four wheeler I would probably creep along at that speed.

Once I arrived at work I polled DH and my dear daughter what mode of transportation would creep along a road going 4-5 miles an hour. DD said golf cart and DH said bicycle. lol so I give on the four wheeler....I'll admit I'm a big ole chicken on those things. Now I would bet I drive my riding lawn mower that fast too. Any way you look at it you would think someone would have noticed any of those things creeping along that slow as out of the ordinary...except for a bicycle.

 

[ocgrad]

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I decided to experiment today and drove 5 miles an hour up my gravel drive. Which was abt what I normally do anyway since I have lots of wildlife that I prefer to get out of my way well in advance. On the blacktop though it was beyond extremely slow but if I was on the gravel shoulder on my DH's four wheeler I would probably creep along at that speed.

Once I arrived at work I polled DH and my dear daughter what mode of transportation would creep along a road going 4-5 miles an hour. DD said golf cart and DH said bicycle. lol so I give on the four wheeler....I'll admit I'm a big ole chicken on those things. Now I would bet I drive my riding lawn mower that fast too. Any way you look at it you would think someone would have noticed any of those things creeping along that slow as out of the ordinary...except for a bicycle.

Not to mention you would be riding the 4 wheeler for 4 - 5 hours solid. That is a long time to be on a vehicle going intentionally slow. Then what happens when you get to the middle of the bridge? Turn around and drive another 4 - 5 hours back? The same could be said of someone who walked with the phone all the way to the bridge. What then? Would they get picked up by someone? I'm still not sure about someone walking or riding down the road through town to the bridge with the phone.

 

[mpnola]

I know we talked about this, but I just wanted to post about bike speeds, since it has been a while.

 

[Tripod]

Keep the light on for Papaw!!

 

[mpnola]

I can do one better. Here is a video going 4mph lol. Made me laugh.

 

[ocgrad]

It was a few days before they tested the blood on the floor and if I remember correctly 2 weeks before tested dowel. It’s a miracle it was still there.
The thing is we don’t know how long BC was home or what she did before calling 911. It’s disturbing that she asked Suzy if the blood could be transmission fluid, like it was more of a suggestion than a question.

I thought it sounded like, "I have no idea what it is, something on the floor, duh, is it transmission fluid?" A suggestion of innocence.