Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #6

[creepcrusher]

So many contradictions. We have debated whether they had GPS or pings to go by and how the speed was determined. Statements which stood out to me today were regarding the cellphone expert who it said was hired "Oct 2017". "By analyzing data from the phone's transmission with nearby cell towers, the expert was able to reconstruct MC whereabouts far more accurately than by tracing pings". I think they are referring to tower dumps compared to the limited 911 technology HCSO has to find people using pings. Sad it took so many months to even do that. Later they said, "The cell phone expert used location and time of pings to determine speed". No GPS, basically ping and tower data. SM said he went on across the bridge which is near where they used to live but he did not say they determined he went to that property, I don't think it was possible to know exactly with pings. It was just more speculation but that notion helped SM run with the suicide theory.
One other thing there that was contradictory was the time. At 2:30 he went back there, phone expert determined he traveled at 4.2 mph, and it "took 2, or 3 hours", and his phone went off at 5:50. So we already know his home is over 17 miles to the bridge. Now we find he went on past that a few miles. So at least he went 20 miles at 4.2 mph and it only took 3 hours. SM isn't good at stating facts, they never add up.

I noticed the same thing regarding where they say he went. SM didn’t say he went to the old property. He said he used to live within six miles from there. So he’s basically assuming. Probably mentioning that so people would agree to the suicide theory.

Also about the 2:30 and 5:50 ping or trace on his phone- I find it odd that 2:30 is when Klein said BC shut off her phone. 5:50 is when SM said BC first called MC on her way home. Coincidence?

Also, as far as we know there is enough evidence to say he’s still alive starting a new life, as there is a suicide. We still don’t know how BC was able to declare MC dead. I’m just not understanding how suicide is more likely than foul play based on the evidence they’ve shown. I don’t see any closure here for MC’s poor family yet.

 

[mpnola]

You know how sometimes you follow a case and it gets a little annoying when people come in and haven't read? Well, I am actually super happy this time! We have all been so deeply invested and know so many facts that I am glad to get a perspective of people who only saw the Disappeared episode (which, sadly, I have not been able to watch yet ). Funny thing is, most that are just coming in are actually picking up in exactly what we have been saying! Suicide doesn't sound right. Things aren't adding up. And in a weird way it makes me smile, knowing we haven't been one-sided and blind, but that the majority of the sleuth minds realize something is not right in this case! So, thanks for coming and posting, newcomers.

Did they talk about the death certificate being issued in an unheard of amount of time in the show? I have dental implant surgery tomorrow (terrified and I hate it!!!), so I might not get to watch tomorrow, either, but it's on my list during recovery time. Then I won't have to keep asking. Thanks, yall!

 

[ocgrad]

You know how sometimes you follow a case and it gets a little annoying when people come in and haven't read? Well, I am actually super happy this time! We have all been so deeply invested and know so many facts that I am glad to get a perspective of people who only saw the Disappeared episode (which, sadly, I have not been able to watch yet ). Funny thing is, most that are just coming in are actually picking up in exactly what we have been saying! Suicide doesn't sound right. Things aren't adding up. And in a weird way it makes me smile, knowing we haven't been one-sided and blind, but that the majority of the sleuth minds realize something is not right in this case! So, thanks for coming and posting, newcomers.

Did they talk about the death certificate being issued in an unheard of amount of time in the show? I have dental implant surgery tomorrow (terrified and I hate it!!!), so I might not get to watch tomorrow, either, but it's on my list during recovery time. Then I won't have to keep asking. Thanks, yall!

I agree that it's great to have new sleuthers. I am hopeful they can pull out some new pieces we may have overcooked.
They gave some details I had not heard combined with some we already knew that combined to make a clearer picture of events. We knew that 10 days after his disappearance she took JC2 and MC phones off her phone plan, deactivating both their phones. 4 weeks later she said she needed to get a temporary death certificate just to sell his truck because she could not make the payments. She knew the kids were not supportive of it but Suzy said there was nothing she could do, it was out of her control. Mid June DPS had time to help and BC was polygraphed, she was obviously hiding something and that is how her having a boyfriend came out. SM said he did not even believe it at first but she said it had been over 5 months and she passed. Obviously they had not reviewed her phone records. Then on July 12 BD posted on FB he knew MC was killed and BC and a man and others were responsible. SM said since he was a felon and BC had passed the polygraph it must only be that he wanted the reward. On July 13 JC2 showed up angry. BC told the judge he was mad that she had deactivated his phone and he threatened her which made him sound volatile prone to outbursts. But in reality he had heard the rumor from BD and said if he found it was true he would put her and her BF in a pine box. (Maybe it's just me but it seems like a justifiable response.) Then on July 15 Suzy got a call from a family friend in the FD who let her know BC had actually had him legally declared dead on May 26. Apparently the FD had to sign off on it for her to get his DROP/pension. Some terrible days in July.
I'm not sure when this was filmed but it was announced in early Feb. So I think maybe SM didn't know about the other boyfriends or that they were still involved at that time including a JP. I wonder how he has felt since then to be so fooled by her? And for sure when he made those statements that her phone was turned off at the same time MC's left the home and his was turned off at the same time hers came back on to text him she was on the way. If I were him, in such a position of public trust, I would be pissed that someone had made me look so foolish. His own fault.

 

[txhousewife83]

You know how sometimes you follow a case and it gets a little annoying when people come in and haven't read? Well, I am actually super happy this time! We have all been so deeply invested and know so many facts that I am glad to get a perspective of people who only saw the Disappeared episode (which, sadly, I have not been able to watch yet ). Funny thing is, most that are just coming in are actually picking up in exactly what we have been saying! Suicide doesn't sound right. Things aren't adding up. And in a weird way it makes me smile, knowing we haven't been one-sided and blind, but that the majority of the sleuth minds realize something is not right in this case! So, thanks for coming and posting, newcomers.

Did they talk about the death certificate being issued in an unheard of amount of time in the show? I have dental implant surgery tomorrow (terrified and I hate it!!!), so I might not get to watch tomorrow, either, but it's on my list during recovery time. Then I won't have to keep asking. Thanks, yall!

It was actually pretty biased so I hope people who are not familiar with the case dont draw their conclusions based solely on the episode. They either twisted, or just plain left out important facts and they should have included EVERYTHING. Crime Watch did a much better job imo. They crammed more accurate info into that lil 20 minute segment than the whole 45 minute episode of Disappeared. They did confirm that BC had him legally declared dead in may 2017 unbeknownst to the family though. Good luck with your surgery!

 

[txhousewife83]

I noticed the same thing regarding where they say he went. SM didn’t say he went to the old property. He said he used to live within six miles from there. So he’s basically assuming. Probably mentioning that so people would agree to the suicide theory.

Also about the 2:30 and 5:50 ping or trace on his phone- I find it odd that 2:30 is when Klein said BC shut off her phone. 5:50 is when SM said BC first called MC on her way home. Coincidence?

Also, as far as we know there is enough evidence to say he’s still alive starting a new life, as there is a suicide. We still don’t know how BC was able to declare MC dead. I’m just not understanding how suicide is more likely than foul play based on the evidence they’ve shown. I don’t see any closure here for MC’s poor family yet.

Agreed! Also, at the beginning of the episode, SM says that surveillance was checked from several businesses along "the route"... so why wasn't MC picked up on at least one camera riding his bike?

 

[mpnola]

It was actually pretty biased so I hope people who are not familiar with the case dont draw their conclusions based solely on the episode. They either twisted, or just plain left out important facts and they should have included EVERYTHING. Crime Watch did a much better job imo. They crammed more accurate info into that lil 20 minute segment than the whole 45 minute episode of Disappeared. They did confirm that BC had him legally declared dead in may 2017 unbeknownst to the family though. Good luck with your surgery!

Thank you! So scared...

Yes, I think the crime watch one was good! I am disappointed if this one didn't do his case any favors. I do always feel like when we watch shows on a case, it is similar to reading a book and then waching the movie. They are always shortened, watered-down versions that come no where near the complexity that we know. I was really hoping it did a good enough job to have many people wanting and demanding answers. Anything less than that is a failure, in my mind. Thanks for the info!

 

[mpnola]

Agreed! Also, at the beginning of the episode, SM says that surveillance was checked from several businesses along "the route"... so why wasn't MC picked up on at least one camera riding his bike?

It was??? So then, he WASN'T on a bike past these places. or he would have been seen and no speculation would be needed! This case is so dang nutty. I swear.

 

[creepcrusher]

Speaking of BC “passing,” the polygraph- how is it she passed, since she LIED and said her affair ended five months earlier? I think RM was far too easy on BC in the show. He couldn’t even say she LIED about extra marital affairs. He said she had a “hard time,” with those questions. Oh, I’m sure she did.

I also think HCSO should’ve given everyone in the family plus all boyfriends of BC a polygraph. Not saying I believe any of the rest of the family are responsible, but why only BC and JC2?

JC2 passed twice and was totally cooperative also his alibi was confirmed. He was at work. So I’m not suspicious of him, but it seems like everyone else got a free pass including BC imo.

 

[txhousewife83]

I noticed the same thing regarding where they say he went. SM didn’t say he went to the old property. He said he used to live within six miles from there. So he’s basically assuming. Probably mentioning that so people would agree to the suicide theory.

Also about the 2:30 and 5:50 ping or trace on his phone- I find it odd that 2:30 is when Klein said BC shut off her phone. 5:50 is when SM said BC first called MC on her way home. Coincidence?

Also, as far as we know there is enough evidence to say he’s still alive starting a new life, as there is a suicide. We still don’t know how BC was able to declare MC dead. I’m just not understanding how suicide is more likely than foul play based on the evidence they’ve shown. I don’t see any closure here for MC’s poor family yet.

Agreed! Also, at the beginning of the episode, SM says that surveillance was checked from several businesses along "the route"... so why wasn't MC picked up on at least one camera riding his bike?

Thank you! So scared...

Yes, I think the crime watch one was good! I am disappointed if this one didn't do his case any favors. I do always feel like when we watch shows on a case, it is similar to reading a book and then waching the movie. They are always shortened, watered-down versions that come no where near the complexity that we know. I was really hoping it did a good enough job to have many people wanting and demanding answers. Anything less than that is a failure, in my mind. Thanks for the info![/QUO

Thank you! So scared...

Yes, I think the crime watch one was good! I am disappointed if this one didn't do his case any favors. I do always feel like when we watch shows on a case, it is similar to reading a book and then waching the movie. They are always shortened, watered-down versions that come no where near the complexity that we know. I was really hoping it did a good enough job to have many people wanting and demanding answers. Anything less than that is a failure, in my mind. Thanks for the info!

Unfortunately I don't think it did it any favors. Each show's portrayal of the case was like night and day. I understand that it was filmed back in 2017 but there is a thing called editing.

 

[creepcrusher]

Agreed! Also, at the beginning of the episode, SM says that surveillance was checked from several businesses along "the route"... so why wasn't MC picked up on at least one camera riding his bike?

Exactly! No proof. Absolutely NO proof he committed suicide. Yet that’s the best he’s got.

 

[txhousewife83]

It was??? So then, he WASN'T on a bike past these places. or he would have been seen and no speculation would be needed! This case is so dang nutty. I swear.

No he is still saying that he was on a bike. I'm still confused about that one.

 

[ocgrad]

Agreed! Also, at the beginning of the episode, SM says that surveillance was checked from several businesses along "the route"... so why wasn't MC picked up on at least one camera riding his bike?

I wondered if they took video into evidence or if they went to businesses and reviewed it there and then. The bike didn't come into play until almost a year later so if they didn't have those videos as part of the evidence file they would be gone.

 

[ocgrad]

Speaking of BC “passing,” the polygraph- how is it she passed, since she LIED and said her affair ended five months earlier? I think RM was far too easy on BC in the show. He couldn’t even say she LIED about extra marital affairs. He said she had a “hard time,” with those questions. Oh, I’m sure she did.

I also think HCSO should’ve given everyone in the family a polygraph. Not saying I believe any of the rest are responsible, but why only BC and JC2?

JC2 passed twice and was totally cooperative also his alibi was confirmed. He was at work. So I’m not suspicious of him, but it seems like everyone else got a free pass including BC imo.

I remember a VI said she couldn't take it at first, she was too upset. Then they let her take it on meds! SM had already made up his mind that she wasn't involved. That conviction led him in the totally wrong dir

 

[Tjk2201]

The episode said 5 weeks. I guess BC needed to sell his truck. I guess she was worried about finances. I just wonder if he had life insurance? I've following this case but not actively been posting on it.

My 44 yr old brother committed suicide last Tuesday and from what I've learned about my brother's suicide I don't think MC committed suicide. Based on behavior and mental state, his family would've noticed a change in MC. Family members of mine did notice changes in my brother but failed to reach out to people that could've intervened and try to help etc.

 

[ocgrad]

I'm so sorry for your loss.
I know he had life insurance when he was employed by the city. It seems odd that he would have dropped it or cashed it in. So I lead toward thinking he did have life insurance.

 

[creepcrusher]

I’m so sorry for your recent loss. I’ve also had a suicide in my family and the signs were there beforehand. I have to agree with you.

 

[txhousewife83]

I wondered if they took video into evidence or if they went to businesses and reviewed it there and then. The bike didn't come into play until almost a year later so if they didn't have those videos as part of the evidence file they would be gone.

Right, but they were reviewing footage a few days after MC went missing to see if he had went anywhere else that day so they were specifically looking for him. If he really was on a bike he would have been spotted at the time of review. The proper thing to do would have been to keep the tapes for evidence but I doubt that happened

 

[Tripod]

Agreed! Also, at the beginning of the episode, SM says that surveillance was checked from several businesses along "the route"... so why wasn't MC picked up on at least one camera riding his bike?

At the time the show was taped, I don't think SM had come up with the bike theory yet... so, he wouldn't have felt the need to explain why no MC on a bike showed up and the show obviously didn't add/edit in new info?

 

[margarita25]

Welcome to Websleuths! Most of us are surprised by LE's actions and statements on this case! I'm so glad the family also has PI's working to help find out what happened to MC. I'm also very curious to know what (private) information HCSO has, and if this information is just hearsay from BC and the SIL. I want to know if HCSO shared this "information" with Klein. If they have, why doesn't Klein believe this was a suicide? I'm having a hard time believing anything HCSO says because of the way they've handled this investigation from the beginning. I think they let their relationship with this couple hinder the way they were supposed to do their job. This family is better off having someone from the outside look in on what happened. I just hope it's not too late since much of the evidence is destroyed.

Sometimes LE might present a certain opinion/approach and it could be completely opposite of what they really think. I'm not saying this is the case here, as I think they seemed to really believe this on the D episode (suicide)...but it did cross my mind, ruse.

For example hypothetically:
THE LEGALITY OF THE POLICE USE OF TRICK, RUSE, OR DECEPTION TO GAIN PEACEFUL ENTRY INTO PRIVATE PREMISES IN ORDER TO EXECUTE AN OTHERWISE VALID SEARCH OR ARREST IS ...
Bait, Mask, and Ruse - Harvard Law Review
Harvard Law Review › 2015/04 › bait-m...)

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The Lawful Use of Deception
Sometimes you have to resort to trickery to get confessions from suspects.

"As the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly acknowledged, "Criminal activity is such that stealth and strategy are necessary weapons in the arsenal of the police officer." (Sorrells v. U.S.) "Nor will the mere fact of deceit defeat a prosecution, for there are circumstances when the use of deceit is the only practicable law enforcement technique available." (U.S. v. Russell)

What kinds of stratagems, ruses, trickery, and subterfuge might you use to develop admissible evidence of a suspect's guilt? The general rule is that deception can be used as long as it is not likely to induce an innocent person to commit a crime or to confess to a crime that he or she did not commit. Many familiar examples have been reviewed in decisions of the Supreme Court."



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Nah, it seems they really think Suicide?

 

[creepcrusher]

Sometimes LE might present a certain opinion/approach and it could be completely opposite of what they really think. I'm not saying this is the case here, as I think they seemed to really believe this on the D episode (suicide)...but it did cross my mind, ruse.


THE LEGALITY OF THE POLICE USE OF TRICK, RUSE, OR DECEPTION TO GAIN PEACEFUL ENTRY INTO PRIVATE PREMISES IN ORDER TO EXECUTE AN OTHERWISE VALID SEARCH OR ARREST IS ...

Bait, Mask, and Ruse - Harvard Law Review

Harvard Law Review › 2015/04 › bait-m...)

I have hoped and prayed that this is what they’re doing. It would answer a lot of questions and confusion.