Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 *found deceased 2023* #8
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It really is truly amazing that a 30+ year veteran of the Dallas Fire Department could be a homicide victim and the authorities look the other way or bungle the investigation so much that they wish the case would simply go away. It's mind boggling. Now that everyone in the Sheriff's Department has taken their summer vacations and everyone is back to work, it would be really nice if they dig in their heels and solve this for the community. Prove us wrong. We know that more than one person committed this crime. No one stays silent forever. The guilt must be killing them. It takes only one person to talk but sometimes a little pressure is what it takes for someone to talk. Let's solve this thing!!!!
Once again, this case is really bothering me. From time to time, I look at the news from Hunt County, TX. Like clockwork, it's always the same thing: announcements of drug-related arrests but complete silence on the Michael Chambers case. Don't get me wrong, law enforcement can and should continue to police drugs but I'm afraid that this Sheriff's office will never be able to reclaim its moral authority until something is done in the Michael Chambers case. They can't continue to sweep this case under the proverbial rug.
The key points/questions are:
1. The evidence is clear, this was NOT a suicide; it was a homicide. Don't lie to the public.
2. The key question is, who would gain something from a homicide? Once you answer that question, pull on that thread. Apply pressure, reinterview people . . .
3. If Hunt County is not able to figure this out, why not hire someone from outside the county to look at the investigatory files and see if they can figure things out? Letting this case go cold is a choice. Don't make the wrong choice.
4. I believe it was a homicide. I'd imagine that the people involved have not been able to keep this a secret for 8+ years. My bet is that they have talked to people about what they did. Leverage that possibility. This relates to reopening the investigation. Talk to people again.
5. Unless people can present evidence to the contrary, I believe that the garage was the crime scene. The location where Mike Chambers was found was simply where they placed him, along with the bike, to make it look like this 70-year-old man rode his bike 15+ miles and was able to do so without anyone seeing him, including construction workers on the Lake Tawakoni Bridge. The suicide "theory" (I put it in quotation marks because it's so laughable it's not even a real theory) doesn't stand up to reason or any thoughtful analysis. People who put Chambers and his bike in that location did so thinking that law enforcement wouldn't be able to figure out what really happened. So far, it appears that the perpetrators' calculation was correct.
6. Let's not forget that Michael Chambers was a first responder. He worked for the Dallas Fire Department until his retirement. Law enforcement should treat every case the same, but the fact that Chambers was one of them should serve as an impetus to solve this case. Resources should be poured into solving this case. The police, the district attorney, the former private investigator -- all of them -- should be working together to get this case across the finish line. Drugs are bad, I get it, but so is murder. Act like it.
The key points/questions are:
1. The evidence is clear, this was NOT a suicide; it was a homicide. Don't lie to the public.
2. The key question is, who would gain something from a homicide? Once you answer that question, pull on that thread. Apply pressure, reinterview people . . .
3. If Hunt County is not able to figure this out, why not hire someone from outside the county to look at the investigatory files and see if they can figure things out? Letting this case go cold is a choice. Don't make the wrong choice.
4. I believe it was a homicide. I'd imagine that the people involved have not been able to keep this a secret for 8+ years. My bet is that they have talked to people about what they did. Leverage that possibility. This relates to reopening the investigation. Talk to people again.
5. Unless people can present evidence to the contrary, I believe that the garage was the crime scene. The location where Mike Chambers was found was simply where they placed him, along with the bike, to make it look like this 70-year-old man rode his bike 15+ miles and was able to do so without anyone seeing him, including construction workers on the Lake Tawakoni Bridge. The suicide "theory" (I put it in quotation marks because it's so laughable it's not even a real theory) doesn't stand up to reason or any thoughtful analysis. People who put Chambers and his bike in that location did so thinking that law enforcement wouldn't be able to figure out what really happened. So far, it appears that the perpetrators' calculation was correct.
6. Let's not forget that Michael Chambers was a first responder. He worked for the Dallas Fire Department until his retirement. Law enforcement should treat every case the same, but the fact that Chambers was one of them should serve as an impetus to solve this case. Resources should be poured into solving this case. The police, the district attorney, the former private investigator -- all of them -- should be working together to get this case across the finish line. Drugs are bad, I get it, but so is murder. Act like it.
I asked ChatGPT how, using 2017 technology, cell phone data could show that the phone traveled 17 miles at a rate of 4.5 mph. It indicated that the "biggest culprit" was "cell tower handoff drift" (interesting!). It also spit out this:
"In 2017, most location data used in investigations came from cell-tower pings, not true GPS.
When analysts string those pings together, it can look like movement at walking speed — even when the phone isn’t moving at all.
This is extremely common in rural Texas."
"In 2017, most location data used in investigations came from cell-tower pings, not true GPS.
- Phones don’t constantly report exact coordinates
- Location is inferred by which tower the phone connects to
- Towers can be miles apart in rural areas
- As signal strength fluctuates, the phone may “bounce” between towers even if it’s stationary
When analysts string those pings together, it can look like movement at walking speed — even when the phone isn’t moving at all.This is extremely common in rural Texas."
Sadly, today is the 9-year anniversary of Michael Chambers's death. It's hard to believe that it has been 9 years. I've said this before but below I will review my thoughts on what happened.
1. The garage is the crime scene. I know that parts of this case are complicated and, perhaps, confusing, but the principle of Occam's Razor holds that when faced with competing hypotheses, the simplest one is usually the best one. The garage as the crime scene is the simplest explanation that requires the fewest assumptions. I know the blood drops look strange, but I think that PI Klein has the best explanation for the blood drops. He was knocked unconscious and had internal bleeding. He started to bleed out of his ear and when he was placed on a tarp to move his body, the blood continued to drip out of his ear. Further evidence that the garage was most likely the crime scene is the fact that a bloody dowel was left behind. People who put forward the "blood drops were staged" theory can't really account for why there is a bloody dowel. It is my belief that the killers probably were panicking (even if it was well-planned) and simply forgot the dowel.
2. The 4.5 mph evidence is most likely a red herring. This is certainly not my area of expertise, but I am going to guess that there is something wrong with this "evidence." I don't think anyone or anything traveled at 4.5mph. I am going to say that this has more to do with the fact that it is 2017 technology. It's not GPS data.
3. The murder was well-planned. I don't think this was a spur of the moment murder, and I think one of the biggest pieces of evidence for this is the one thing that no one really has an answer to; which is, all the investigators say that Mr. Chambers stopped on the other side of the 2-mile bridge for a short period of time after he left Wal-Mart (there is some confusion about when he stopped, but I think the investigators are saying it was after, not before, his Wal-Mart trip). I don't know why he stopped, but I think that someone wanted him to stop there since it might show he was thinking about suicide (it was relatively close to where his body was found in 2022) when, in reality, he was asked to stop there for a reason. At the time, Mr. Chambers had no idea that he was playing into a larger and very sinister plan.
4. The investigation was botched from the start. I will let people from Texas have their opinions as to why this was botched, but investigators gave why too much validity to the suicide theory and they lost valuable time and energy to the foul play theory.
5. The media need to pick up on this case and run with it. Outside pressure might be the only thing that will get this case solved. Unsolved Mysteries, Dateline, 48 Hours, etc. need to pick up this case and report on it.
1. The garage is the crime scene. I know that parts of this case are complicated and, perhaps, confusing, but the principle of Occam's Razor holds that when faced with competing hypotheses, the simplest one is usually the best one. The garage as the crime scene is the simplest explanation that requires the fewest assumptions. I know the blood drops look strange, but I think that PI Klein has the best explanation for the blood drops. He was knocked unconscious and had internal bleeding. He started to bleed out of his ear and when he was placed on a tarp to move his body, the blood continued to drip out of his ear. Further evidence that the garage was most likely the crime scene is the fact that a bloody dowel was left behind. People who put forward the "blood drops were staged" theory can't really account for why there is a bloody dowel. It is my belief that the killers probably were panicking (even if it was well-planned) and simply forgot the dowel.
2. The 4.5 mph evidence is most likely a red herring. This is certainly not my area of expertise, but I am going to guess that there is something wrong with this "evidence." I don't think anyone or anything traveled at 4.5mph. I am going to say that this has more to do with the fact that it is 2017 technology. It's not GPS data.
3. The murder was well-planned. I don't think this was a spur of the moment murder, and I think one of the biggest pieces of evidence for this is the one thing that no one really has an answer to; which is, all the investigators say that Mr. Chambers stopped on the other side of the 2-mile bridge for a short period of time after he left Wal-Mart (there is some confusion about when he stopped, but I think the investigators are saying it was after, not before, his Wal-Mart trip). I don't know why he stopped, but I think that someone wanted him to stop there since it might show he was thinking about suicide (it was relatively close to where his body was found in 2022) when, in reality, he was asked to stop there for a reason. At the time, Mr. Chambers had no idea that he was playing into a larger and very sinister plan.
4. The investigation was botched from the start. I will let people from Texas have their opinions as to why this was botched, but investigators gave why too much validity to the suicide theory and they lost valuable time and energy to the foul play theory.
5. The media need to pick up on this case and run with it. Outside pressure might be the only thing that will get this case solved. Unsolved Mysteries, Dateline, 48 Hours, etc. need to pick up this case and report on it.
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Yep, yep aaaaaannnnddd yep. I'm only not sure about a "botched" investigation. I'm thinking it was more of a planned cover up. And it's inexcusable.
Maybe he stopped to meet her to give her the mascara or medicine.
It is such an absolute tragedy that this has been so mishandled. He truly deserves justice. He is never far from my mind.
Maybe he stopped to meet her to give her the mascara or medicine.
It is such an absolute tragedy that this has been so mishandled. He truly deserves justice. He is never far from my mind.
It is perplexing. I believe the Sheriff said that the mascara and receipt were in the house, so if the call was for him to meet her to drop off the mascara, it would have been a way for him to get there, then a phone call to him to say that she wouldn't make it. The other scenario is that she called him to say that someone was going to meet him to drop off a piece of clothing or something for church (something along those lines), then called him back to say that that was not going to happen.
As for Hunt County, you may be right but it sure would take a lot of people to be in on that conspiracy. Plus, no one would have talked over the past 9 years. I guess it is possible. I read all the stuff from Hunt County residents about how corrupt the place is so I will leave it up to them to draw that conclusion. It seems like there are other somewhat high-profile cases out of that county that are not solved, so it's possible that they don't know how to solve cases like this, and don't feel like inviting outside agencies like the Texas Rangers in. When I watched the Disappeared episode for the first time, I remember thinking that law enforcement didn't give me a great deal of confidence that they could solve the case. It's possible that they didn't WANT to solve the case.
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I can't remember the details, but didn't she get home first? She could definitely have put the item back and acted like he put it there.
Whatever it is, it's disgusting. No accountability. I hope the family continues to push, even though I know it gets depressing and exhausting. He didn't ride his bike there
Whatever it is, it's disgusting. No accountability. I hope the family continues to push, even though I know it gets depressing and exhausting. He didn't ride his bike there
Oh, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! My bad; that could be how it played out because she got to the house before the police did.I can't remember the details, but didn't she get home first? She could definitely have put the item back and acted like he put it there.
Whatever it is, it's disgusting. No accountability. I hope the family continues to push, even though I know it gets depressing and exhausting. He didn't ride his bike there
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