TX - Moriah Wilson, 25, prized cyclist, fatally shot before race, Austin, May 2022 #2

[Sundog]

I’ve been attempting to do this for some time and am leaning more and more towards it being NOT premeditated.

I see her turning to her sister as one further proof of this. Why involve her and her driver’s license if there could have been lots of preplanning?

I agree, I don't think it was premeditated, except for the day it happened, of course, because she brought a loaded gun. That shows some degree of premeditation, at least from the day the murder took place.

 

[jash]

[Deputy US Marshal B.F.] told The Independent in a recent interview that marshals don’t have any evidence suspect that Ms Armstrong is receiving help to evade authorities.

He warned anyone found to have helped her would face the full extent of the law.

“Anyone that’s providing comfort or anything to disguise her, to aid and abet her, we do take that seriously,” [B.F.] told The Independent.

Possible sighting in hunt for fugitive yoga teacher at upstate New York campsite

Kaitlin Armstrong, suspected of killing love rival Moriah Wilson, has been on the run for over a month

www.independent.co.uk

 

[SMK777]

Yes, I agree, there does not seem to have been a great deal of planning in the escape. I feel it is kinda like Casey White and Vicky White. I believe there was a plan to spring him from jail, and get out of the area successfully, and when they got to Tennessee and the car seemingly had to be ditched, from that point on, they were flying by the seat of their pants. Likewise here, I think KA had a plan to get out of Austin, and successfully made it to LaGuardia, but after it became known that there was a warrant for her arrest, I think any plan she had went out the window, and she has been trying to lay low and has been winging it since then. JMO

Good comparison with the White case; very similar trajectory from a solid initial plan to just ad libbing.

 

[SMK777]

[Deputy US Marshal B.F.] told The Independent in a recent interview that marshals don’t have any evidence suspect that Ms Armstrong is receiving help to evade authorities.

He warned anyone found to have helped her would face the full extent of the law.

“Anyone that’s providing comfort or anything to disguise her, to aid and abet her, we do take that seriously,” [B.F.] told The Independent.

Possible sighting in hunt for fugitive yoga teacher at upstate New York campsite

Kaitlin Armstrong, suspected of killing love rival Moriah Wilson, has been on the run for over a month

www.independent.co.uk

I think this is why KA was dropped off at Newark Liberty International Airport on 5/18, less than 24 hours after the warrant was put out on her for murder.

Her sister probably said, I love you and want to help you, but now it’s become felony aiding and abetting. You have to leave. And KA agreed.

 

[Sundog]

I think this is why KA was dropped off at Newark Liberty International Airport on 5/18, less than 24 hours after the warrant was put out on her for murder.

Her sister probably said, I love you and want to help you, but now it’s become felony aiding and abetting. You have to leave. And KA agreed.

I, too, think they separated at the time when the arrest warrant was issued. And agree that it was most likely a mutual decision, both understanding the risk to CA.

 

[SMK777]

Are Canadian mounties involved in the search yet?

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The manhunt for a Texas yoga teacher accused of riddling her love triangle rival with bullets may now turn north — to Canada.

Cops say Kaitlin Armstrong, 34, was spotted at Camp Haven in Livingston Manor, N.Y. last month by a fellow camper, Fox News reported.

Now, at least one investigator said the Austin resident may have used her sister’s name as an alias and slipped over the border into Canada.

I think US Marshals must have alerted Canadian border patrol and other authorities. I know in the Vicky White case, they said they’d done that the first day.

 

[Sundog]

Are Canadian mounties involved in the search yet?

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The manhunt for a Texas yoga teacher accused of riddling her love triangle rival with bullets may now turn north — to Canada.

Cops say Kaitlin Armstrong, 34, was spotted at Camp Haven in Livingston Manor, N.Y. last month by a fellow camper, Fox News reported.

Now, at least one investigator said the Austin resident may have used her sister’s name as an alias and slipped over the border into Canada.

I doubt that KA would be able to cross the border as they would be aware of her fugitive status, and then there are the COVID-19 policies that require registering online and test results, etc. Also, I think they would make the connection with the name Armstrong if she was traveling under her sister's name. I think this would show up in their datbase. I think Canadian LE are well-informed at the border and do their due diligence well. I cross the border into Canada quite frequently and that is my experience.

 

[SMK777]

I, too, think they separated at the time when the arrest warrant was issued. And agree that it was most likely a mutual decision, both understanding the risk to CA.

I think you have to remember too, when KA left Austin on May 13 to arrive in NYC on 5/14, at that point she didn’t necessarily know that she would be charged with felony homicide.

She knew she was a person of interest but hadn’t officially been named a suspect.

Further, she may have believed if she fled and hung out with her sister, the investigation would stall.

But once she was officially charged in absentia, she and her sister parted ways.

 

[steeltowngirl]

If that is all the police have/had then I am surprised they even brought her in for questioning.

You can barely tell that is a jeep and it could be black, blue, grey, or pretty much any darkish color.

The way the AA reads, CS was interviewed first by police and admitted he lied to KA about his whereabouts so he could spend time with MW. Had to be a huge red flag. Enough to bring KA in for questioning.

Will there be fingerprints or DNA of KA from inside the apartment?

 

[steeltowngirl]

I noticed there was a Grand Jury indictment of KA on 6/10/22.

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[steeltowngirl]

I agree, I don't think it was premeditated, except for the day it happened, of course, because she brought a loaded gun. That shows some degree of premeditation, at least from the day the murder took place.

But then there was the anonymous tipster discussed in the AA that said KA had told the tipster that she wanted to kill MW and that she had bought a firearm.

 

[SMK777]

I noticed there was a Grand Jury indictment of KA on 6/10/22.

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Wow, wonder why this never made the news?

 

[di anna]

For a Grand Jury indictment to have been made, they are pretty sure of KA committing the crime. There are several curious things about this case:
1. Why would you buy a gun for someone that is emotionally unstable. However maybe if there was a warrant she could not buy it herself. What precipitated the purchase of TWO guns?
2. If you commit a crime (like murder) why do you return the gun to your home?
3. If you have mucho funds isn't it a possibility that you could pay someone to do this? Could this sister and KA look enough
alike to pose for one another?
4. How do you return home to your boyfriend and resume a normal stance at life after you just committed murder?
5. Why does someone stash the bicycle after committing a crime, I would think you would want to get the hell out of there.
6. What is the significance of the suitcase or bicycle bag being moved?
7. Why is CS worried for his personal safety? Sounds like he is armed.
8. Why does CS not know where his girlfriend is? Do they not communicate?

 

[NOLAScottie]

I’ve been attempting to do this for some time and am leaning more and more towards it being NOT premeditated.

I see her turning to her sister as one further proof of this. Why involve her and her driver’s license if there could have been lots of preplanning?

This feels much more likely. The possibility that it was someone else is ever present of course, but the likelihood seems to be dwindling. Sure the gun purchase in advance and her going over there are some hints in the other direction. However, it's the post-incident behavior that is really pointing toward this being a heat of the moment without a firm plan kind of situation. The time between the camera catching the SUV and KA getting home, replacing the gun, running out of town kind of suddenly, having to deal with a new identification after the initial fleeing, the back and forth in NYC/New Jersey, the timing of the presumed movements, involving her family to some extent, the father's statement, etc. It all seems a little last minute and kind of bungled a bit if this was a plan. It wouldn't seem rational to return the gun to its place while planning to take off anyway. Involving her family after the fact when it seems like an easy trail to follow although taking time to uncover and would be incredibly dark if the family was in fact involved before the fact. I wouldn't really believe that would ever happen. It's possible KA thought she could get away with it ultimately without having to flee but if it was truly premeditated, it should have occurred to her that she would be among those looked at. It's possible she didn't have any firm "plans" other than arming herself until she realized that CS had in fact been with MW that day and her "shaking" anger took over and she went to either scare MW and pulled the trigger in a fit or it was heat of passion in the moment with some pre-planning for the possibility this would arise. In any event, if KA is in Canada, that is a convenient place to escape to but not really a place to try and avoid capture and prosecution.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

New evidence in fugitive's escape and similarities to Brian Laundrie revealed

A FUGITIVE yoga teacher wanted for the murder of a professional cyclist she allegedly killed in a jealous rage could be using her sister’s identity to evade cops and hiding in rural New York,…

www.thesun.co.uk

“Police in Austin should have detained [Armstrong] long enough to amend those documents, but they didn't," Jensen said.
"They've basically created this Brian Laundrie scenario for themselves; they could've put a couple of officers on her to watch her closely but they haven't and now they got to invest all these resources, manpower and other assets trying to track her down all the way across the country - just like they did with Laundrie."

I am not familiar with the PI, Jason Jensen, quoted here but I also still don’t get what happened with her old “Botox warrant”.

The affidavit said KA was apprehended based on the warrant but then it was relayed to the detective the warrant wasn’t valid. Because we are told, the date of birth on the warrant (which was her correct DOB 11/21/87) did not match what was entered in the police record management system. But what was the source of the date in that system, was it a typo or did someone give police a wrong DOB on KA? And in any case, couldn’t they have simply verified that the DOB on the Botox warrant was her correct DOB by checking KA’s drivers license, and then fixed the date in their “record management system”? I could maybe see if the warrant which is a legal document had the wrong DOB that was a problem, but this was not the case. It just doesn’t make sense IMO. The whole chain of events is really unfortunate.

I'm surprised they didn't place her under a 72 hour hold, which you would think they could have corrected the original warrant by then even if they weren't ready to arrest for murder.

 

[SMK777]

For a Grand Jury indictment to have been made, they are pretty sure of KA committing the crime. There are several curious things about this case:
1. Why would you buy a gun for someone that is emotionally unstable. However maybe if there was a warrant she could not buy it herself. What precipitated the purchase of TWO guns?
2. If you commit a crime (like murder) why do you return the gun to your home?
3. If you have mucho funds isn't it a possibility that you could pay someone to do this? Could this sister and KA look enough
alike to pose for one another?
4. How do you return home to your boyfriend and resume a normal stance at life after you just committed murder?
5. Why does someone stash the bicycle after committing a crime, I would think you would want to get the hell out of there.
6. What is the significance of the suitcase or bicycle bag being moved?
7. Why is CS worried for his personal safety? Sounds like he is armed.
8. Why does CS not know where his girlfriend is? Do they not communicate?

1. She may have talked him into it “for protection”.
2. I don’t think it was premeditated. Disorganized and bungled.
3. I don’t think so.
4. She had to at that point.
5. Tried to make it appear a robbery— bike was worth huge money.
6. Unsure.
7. She’s proven she can ambush and kill.
8. He can’t communicate with a fugitive from justice and wanted felon.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

This feels much more likely. The possibility that it was someone else is ever present of course, but the likelihood seems to be dwindling. Sure the gun purchase in advance and her going over there are some hints in the other direction. However, it's the post-incident behavior that is really pointing toward this being a heat of the moment without a firm plan kind of situation. The time between the camera catching the SUV and KA getting home, replacing the gun, running out of town kind of suddenly, having to deal with a new identification after the initial fleeing, the back and forth in NYC/New Jersey, the timing of the presumed movements, involving her family to some extent, the father's statement, etc. It all seems a little last minute and kind of bungled a bit if this was a plan. It wouldn't seem rational to return the gun to its place while planning to take off anyway. Involving her family after the fact when it seems like an easy trail to follow although taking time to uncover and would be incredibly dark if the family was in fact involved before the fact. I wouldn't really believe that would ever happen. It's possible KA thought she could get away with it ultimately without having to flee but if it was truly premeditated, it should have occurred to her that she would be among those looked at. It's possible she didn't have any firm "plans" other than arming herself until she realized that CS had in fact been with MW that day and her "shaking" anger took over and she went to either scare MW and pulled the trigger in a fit or it was heat of passion in the moment with some pre-planning for the possibility this would arise. In any event, if KA is in Canada, that is a convenient place to escape to but not really a place to try and avoid capture and prosecution.

The gun purchase in advance wasn't made by KA though. The only evidence that the gun used belonged to KA comes from CS who was the actual purchaser of the gun.

 

[SMK777]

I'm surprised they didn't place her under a 72 hour hold, which you would think they could have corrected the original warrant by then even if they weren't ready to arrest for murder.

They should have done something along those lines, and they surely regret not doing so now. I hope the latest revelations will lead to her capture.

 

[ElGato]

Yes, the actual shooting was premeditated definitely, at least from the time she realized that CS and MW were out together.

What I meant was, the fugitive flight seems to be poorly planned. If she was going to start a new life in Thailand or the Philippines as many suggested, she could have flown there on her own passport out of Austin before charges had been filed.

This whole thing with her sister seems like she’s just winging it.

I agree. I think at the time of the killing she believed she'd get away with it. That no one would suspect her, or have any evidence against her. Or, perhaps more precisely, she was just so obsessed with her jealousy that she didn't think rationally about the potential consequences of murder. She just focussed on her belief that killing Moriah would solve all her problems.

If she'd been capable of visualizing the consequences of her actions, I don't think she'd have done it.

This is true of most murders, I think. It's such a extremely stupid way to destroy your own life, but that's cause the killers aren't thinking rationally at the time.

IMO, fleeing was a panic reaction, when she realized she was the prime suspect. It was also a very dumb action, it basically confirmed her guilt.

JMO

 

[GDawg89]

That's fair. It seems to bear on the early discussions as to whether this was premeditated or not based on these facts and the timeline. The whole incident from arriving to heading home having possibly been under 8 minutes seems very fast all things considered. But with a 36 minute gap to essentially get 12-15 minutes home) kinda makes one wonder if this (coupled with the recent indicia of the sister's contact) is some indication that this shooting was impulsive if KA is in fact responsible. There has just been no hint of any possible effort to create some kind of alibi in any way which makes the decision to return the gun to her home instead of taking that time to toss it a bit strange. Probably not tons of meaningful information to the search here but that addition to the timeline is just curious. Trying to get some clues to the premeditated versus heat of passion likelihood would seem to start directing the ways and places they would be looking after she was known to be in NYC.

I agree @ NOLA, this new video, watched it one time, first take is the "unknown" vehicle seems to be driving faster than speed limit (or normal) for the neighborhood street locale. I also believe 8 minutes is within the realm. It tears on your heart to watch the new Ring camera if in fact it was KA's 2012 Black Jeep. And 36 minutes may just be KA driving around, heart rate up, thinking of what to do next, 36 minute gap may time to calm down, may have had blood on her and ditched clothing/evidence or even changed clothes. AMOO