GUILTY TX - Noted sniper Chris Kyle & Chad Littlefield slain at Erath County gun range

I wonder why he didnt complete his four year contract.

imo

Back in the day of my USAF enlistment, the Marine Corps and the Army both offered 3 year enlistments. (USAF and Navy started at 4 years and up.)

I have no idea what the Marines offered when Routh enlisted in 2006.

If he was on a 3 year enlistment, he could have been stop gapped or on an extension due to overseas deployment during his term.

If he was on a 4 year enlistment, an early release could indicate a medical discharge; his individual ready reserve status would seem to indicate some degree of fitness for return to active duty.

Would be helpful to know more about his service.

The New York Times has reported this additional information:

Pentagon records show that Mr. Routh is currently a member of the Marine Reserves. He was an expert marksman and Marine corporal who had earned several medals, including a Marine good-conduct medal. He served in Iraq from September 2007 to March 2008, Pentagon officials said, and was currently listed as “individual ready reserve,” meaning he could be called back to active duty.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/u...author-reported-killed.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0
 
Dallas Morning News ‏@dallasnews
Alleged shooter of Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was tasered tonight after becoming aggressive with jailers. He's on suicide watch, sheriff says.

https://twitter.com/dallasnews

Erath County jailers used a Taser on Routh on Sunday night after he became aggressive, Erath County Sheriff Tommy Bryant said.
After dinner, Routh refused to give guards his tray. When jailers tried to get it, Routh “was trying to attack them,” Bryant said.
Routh was placed in a restraint chair in his solitary cell. He is on suicide watch. Threats have been made against Routh, Bryant said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...ed-after-becoming-aggressive-with-jailers.ece

Also in the article:

In September, Lancaster police responded to an incident at his [Routh's] home regarding verbal threats. Last month, Routh pled guilty to driving while intoxicated in Johnson County, according to court records.

Kyle is survived by his wife, Taya, and two children. Littlefield, who Cox described as a gentle, kind-hearted man, is also survived by his family. His wife, Leanne, is an assistant principal at Walnut Grove Middle School in Midlothian.

Much more new content in the article.
 
I'm so shocked and saddened by this story. It's so upsetting, yet it's has received less attention than Te'o's fake girlfriend. Seriously? This is outrageous. It wasn't even important enough for a CNN breaking news email, but a fake girlfriend and the winner of the Super Bowl is? Preposterous.

RIP Chris Kyle
 
As someone who has been diagnosed with PTSD, I'm curious as to how common this "exposure therapy" is, and how accepted it is amongst mental health professionals. I cannot imagine being exposed to the situation/triggers that caused me PTSD as therapy. It seems a sure way to make me...well...lose my $hit.

Iknow that in some cases of phobias, exposure is used to help the person (like fear of flying, bridges, etc). But these phobias are not as debilitating as PTSD can be, and those exposures are, from the instances I know of, undertaken with a qualified therapist of some kind there to help the patient through.

Taking a person with PTSD due to war conditions to a shooting range, to expose them to triggers like this, with seemingly no therapist along to help, and putting a dangerous weapon in the patient's hands...well...it sounds like the height of folly. It also reminds me of how some of the mass school shooters (Eric Harris, Adam Lanza) were given gun training by their parents, taken to the range, etc, as some sort of hobby or bonding experience. IMO, shooting ranges, guns-as-hobby are a huge mistake for anyone having mental/personality/emotional difficulties. In fact, I don't think it's a healthy hobby for anyone, mental health problems or no. It focuses on violence and power, rather than anything positive, IMO.

And yes, the gun culture is also a factor here as well. How anyone can view shooting as a type of therapy for anything is quite beyond me.
 
As someone who has been diagnosed with PTSD, I'm curious as to how common this "exposure therapy" is, and how accepted it is amongst mental health professionals. I cannot imagine being exposed to the situation/triggers that caused me PTSD as therapy. It seems a sure way to make me...well...lose my $hit.

Iknow that in some cases of phobias, exposure is used to help the person (like fear of flying, bridges, etc). But these phobias are not as debilitating as PTSD can be, and those exposures are, from the instances I know of, undertaken with a qualified therapist of some kind there to help the patient through.

Taking a person with PTSD due to war conditions to a shooting range, to expose them to triggers like this, with seemingly no therapist along to help, and putting a dangerous weapon in the patient's hands...well...it sounds like the height of folly. It also reminds me of how some of the mass school shooters (Eric Harris, Adam Lanza) were given gun training by their parents, taken to the range, etc, as some sort of hobby or bonding experience. IMO, shooting ranges, guns-as-hobby are a huge mistake for anyone having mental/personality/emotional difficulties. In fact, I don't think it's a healthy hobby for anyone, mental health problems or no. It focuses on violence and power, rather than anything positive, IMO.

And yes, the gun culture is also a factor here as well. How anyone can view shooting as a type of therapy for anything is quite beyond me.

The following link is a special done by Sanjay Gupta (CNN) on exposure therapy used with Iraq vets. A virtual reality video game is used IN A SAFE CONTROLLED setting with these vets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1orx97sFGc&noredirect=1

*On a personal note, I too have PTSD and, while I cannot/am not speaking for you, in my own case it is the result of regular/repeated-ongoing childhood trauma and, as far as I know, exposure therapy is not used to treat those types of trauma...

AMOO ~
 
THanks for the link, I will have to check it out after the kiddies all are at school in a bit.

I think the key is, as you mentioned, a safe, controlled setting. I'm going to bet they have medical/mental health professionals too?

My PTSD is from domestic violence, one episode in particular, IMO, where I was nearly strangled. And I barely never say that out loud, and it's been very nearly 20 years! God help the person who puts their hands on my neck...

Anyway... Yeah. I will watch this in a bit, thanks for the link. Doesn't hurt that I like Dr Gupta... :innocent:
 
That was intense to watch.

I note that he said the therapy is only available to the vets on a limited basis, and he had a psychologist or psychiatrist there with him, who guided him through. And this is virtual - no actual guns are there. It is all controlled and *safe*.

I can see how this might be helpful, done in this way. I can also see how it could be extremely traumatizing to a patient - especially if not done in a controlled way, with professionals, and with actual weapons. A recipe for disaster, really, to confront someone with powerful triggers, dredge up all the panic and fear and anger, while having a gun in their hand.

Awful. I feel terrible for the families. I hope other non-medical professionals who are attempting to help others in this way will use this as an example, and stop... This can and should be avoided. :(
 
Lots of opinions out there on this. Prayers for the families.

My son is in the Army and I asked what was being said about this. The guys he was talking to believe Routh was having a flashback triggered by the gunfire.

Some of the comments from the soldiers he's with-

Taking an Iraq war veteran with PTSD to a gun range to help him is like-
Taking an alcoholic to a bar to help him.
Taking a pedophile to a playground to cure him.







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It is always possible he didn't have PTSD but something else was going on with him. I think just leaving the military and to not have something waiting career wise could have added to whatever he was experiencing. jmo
 
Lots of opinions out there on this. Prayers for the families.

My son is in the Army and I asked what was being said about this. The guys he was talking to believe Routh was having a flashback triggered by the gunfire.

Some of the comments from the soldiers he's with-

Taking an Iraq war veteran with PTSD to a gun range to help him is like-
Taking an alcoholic to a bar to help him.
Taking a pedophile to a playground to cure him.







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So, is your son thinking that the guys who got killed were trying to help Routh and maybe they were doing a "face your fears" kind of thing, and it backfired? (Sorry, it just came out that way, didn't mean to make a funny )


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Has anyone seen the connection people are making in this case


Keith Ratliff is the brother of an acquaintance on another site. She told us about this the day it happened.

What do you think?

Sorry. Snipped because it is not a good source...

There are people making a connection between Chris Kyle, John Noveske, and Keith Ratliff.
 
Pirplegrl,

I think you need to provide a like (due to TOS ) instead of a screenshot. Is it a media outlet or a blog? If its not MSM we can paraphrase but can't copy and quote.

Not trying to be picky, just trying to help! The info is very interesting and looks like organized crime to me!


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This shooting is seemingly being added to the "Obama's gonna take yer gunz!" conspiracy theory. The most I can find is mention on far right sites. That somehow the deaths of these three men, along with a "faked" Sandy Hook, and the death (they believe murder) of Breitbart are all part of a left wing conspiracy, having something to do with taking everyone's guns away. :rolleyes:

I do not think it will be found anywhere in the mainstream media.

Personally, I hope we can leave the conspiracy... Stuff ... out of the discussion, as was done in the Sandy Hook thread, for the most part.
 
So, is your son thinking that the guys who got killed were trying to help Routh and maybe they were doing a "face your fears" kind of thing, and it backfired? (Sorry, it just came out that way, didn't mean to make a funny )


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The general concensus from the guys he's with was 'wtf? why take a Iraq vet with PTSD to a gun range?'
 
As far as conspiracies, there is a guy in a bunker in Alabama holding a five year old child hostage who has ideas on conspiracy.

I suggest the conspiracy people go meet with him and have coffee to exchange ideas.
 
Reportedly still in the restraining chair-

I'm questioning why the decision was made to go tactical over refusal to stick his food tray through the bean chute. I'm also wondering what the policy is on using the restraint chair on mentally ill inmates for this amount of time. If true.

http://m.yourstephenvilletx.com/news/local/article_697669f6-6e45-11e2-acb0-001a4bcf887a.html

I love our country and my heroes all wear camouflage. I'm just unable to feel the anger, rage and disgust for Eddie Routh right now.

I'm deeply saddened by what happened to Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield and feel they thought they were helping. Prayers for the families.




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The Iraq War veteran charged with killing a former Navy SEAL sniper and his friend on a Texas shooting range had been taken to a mental hospital twice in the past four months, police records show.

Eddie Ray Routh was taken to a mental hospital on Sept. 2 after threatening to kill his family and then commit suicide, according to police records in Lancaster, where Routh lives. Authorities found Routh walking nearby with no shirt and no shoes, and smelling of alcohol. Routh told authorities he was a Marine veteran who was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

BBM

More at the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/enter...c03e14-6e63-11e2-b35a-0ee56f0518d2_story.html
 

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