TX TX - Samantha Broberg, 33, missing from Carnival cruise ship, 13 May 2016

[Justice2016]

The delay was caused because her traveling companions did not report her missing until Noon or so, whereas she fell overboard alone at 2 a.m. If she fell overboard in that same spot at 2:00 p.m. there would have been thousands of witnesses on the decks.

Once the crew was advised she was MISSING around NOON the next day, there were repeated calls over the intercom on the ship for her to report to the purser's office. They even posted a big picture of her I assume on decks where many people walked about in hopes that someone saw her. Once she didn't report to a crew member, the entire ship was subject to lockdown. Every guest was required to return and stay in their cabin. I believe from noon until 5:00 pm the crew was checking every inch of the ship and reviewing security videos. Once it was confirmed via footage of her falling from the ship, they called the Coast Guard.

I believe Carnival did everything they could have possibly done in this situation.

I read she was reported missing at 9am - another person posted that article in this forum yesterday. So that's a delay from 9am - 5pm. As Beth Holloway has often said, those are the most crucial hours. I know laws changed after Beth's work, to promote faster searching.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I read she was reported missing at 9am - another person posted that article in this forum yesterday. So that's a delay from 9am - 5pm. As Beth Holloway has often said, those are the most crucial hours. I know laws changed after Beth's work, to promote faster searching.

No one suspected she fell overboard. Again, they can't just call the US Coast Guard when someone is reported missing on a cruise ship!!!

 

[Justice2016]

No one suspected she fell overboard. Again, they can't just call the US Coast Guard when someone is reported missing on a cruise ship!!!

So if it was your daughter or friend you'd think nothing of it if you didn't see her for breakfast, or lunch and you were travelling together? It's not like they were stopping off to visit countries! I'd look for my friend or daughter - I'd search the ship! Each to their own...

 

[JerseyGirl]

What? Of course I'd search the ship initially. But I wouldn't call the coast guard!

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

So if it was your daughter or friend you'd think nothing of it if you didn't see her for breakfast, or lunch and you were traveling together? It's not like they were stopping off to visit countries! I'd look for my friend or daughter - I'd search the ship! Each to their own...

I think they had hoped to find her on the ship before assuming she fell overboard. I am sure a lot of people pass out, get arrested, spend the night in another cabin, etc. Sounds to me like she was reported missing around 9am when friends woke up and didn't find her. The message was sent out to the ship for her, then lock down, and then a search. I bet during the search they had somebody reviewing security footage which would take hours. They find out when friends last saw her, and then review SEVERAL tapes to find her. They might have had to watch 2 hours or more of each tape to find the moment when she went over. Only at that point do they know she went to the water, and only at that point would/should they call the Coast Guard (after tracking their distance from 2am to whatever time it was they made this discovery so they could give good coordinates to the CG). I think they probably handled it as best they could.

 

[Justice2016]

I think they had hoped to find her on the ship before assuming she fell overboard. I am sure a lot of people pass out, get arrested, spend the night in another cabin, etc. Sounds to me like she was reported missing around 9am when friends woke up and didn't find her. The message was sent out to the ship for her, then lock down, and then a search. I bet during the search they had somebody reviewing security footage which would take hours. They find out when friends last saw her, and then review SEVERAL tapes to find her. They might have had to watch 2 hours or more of each tape to find the moment when she went over. Only at that point do they know she went to the water, and only at that point would/should they call the Coast Guard (after tracking their distance from 2am to whatever time it was they made this discovery so they could give good coordinates to the CG). I think they probably handled it as best they could.

Thanks. I think if we understood the type of companions she had travelling with her it would influence our thoughts on this. if it was a close family member or a close friend/partner there's no ship big enough for us to find/not find them within 4 hrs. I understand about the camera footage taking ages.

Now if these were just superficial friends or drinking buddies, I could understand them not being that frantic/concerned...

 

[Justice2016]

What? Of course I'd search the ship initially. But I wouldn't call the coast guard!

Look the point is, if Natalie Wood had been found earlier, she could have been saved. We're talking drowning.

9am-5pm is way too long a delay if she went overboard at 2am!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Look the point is, if Natalie Wood had been found earlier, she could have been saved. We're talking drowning.

9am-5pm is way too long a delay if she went overboard at 2am!

THEY DIDN"T KNOW SHE WENT OVERBOARD UNTIL 5:00 pm WHEN THEY SAW IT FOR THEIR OWN EYES ON VIDEO!!

This is how it might have went down....

She falls overboard at 2:00 a.m. No one sees her.

At 9:00 a.m., her cabin mate(s) notices she didn't return to their cabin or is not in their cabin. They assume she perhaps is in someone else's cabin or went to breakfast or casino, etc. etc. etc. She could be anywhere. They look around, they look more. All of a sudden it's noon and they reach out to the crew. The crew starts paging her, the crew looks through video, they can't find her with thousands of people walking around the ship so they put the ship on lockdown. They search every inch of the ship. At 5:00 p.m. they find video of her falling overboard at 2:00 a.m. Carnival calls the coast guard and gives them their coordinates at that specific time. Coast guard comes out and searches but the ship continues on it's merry way as it had all along.

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Thanks. I think if we understood the type of companions she had travelling with her it would influence our thoughts on this. if it was a close family member or a close friend/partner there's no ship big enough for us to find/not find them within 4 hrs. I understand about the camera footage taking ages.

Now if these were just superficial friends or drinking buddies, I could understand them not being that frantic/concerned...

I think it was a girls trip? Or I assumed? I cannot remember where I read that it was her and some friends. They probably had plans to meet for breakfast and she didn't show or didn't text back when they tried. I'm not sure what you expect of her friends in this situation? They went to the proper authorities and reported her missing. What else were they supposed to do? Call the CG themselves? I'm sure they were insanely worried and feel guilt like no other at this point in time.

 

[JerseyGirl]

People go missing on ships all the time. The problem is that a lot of them (including me) shut their phones off because of international roaming charges.

I know there are apps on some ships like NCL (iConcierge) that you can stay connected with others on the ship. Carnival does not have that app or an app like that of their own (that I know of).

Keeping in contact with friends and family on a ship is difficult if you don't stay together (or someone doesn't stay in one spot).

 

[Justice2016]

I think it was a girls trip? Or I assumed? I cannot remember where I read that it was her and some friends. They probably had plans to meet for breakfast and she didn't show or didn't text back when they tried. I'm not sure what you expect of her friends in this situation? They went to the proper authorities and reported her missing. What else were they supposed to do? Call the CG themselves? I'm sure they were insanely worried and feel guilt like no other at this point in time.

I'm only contrasting how fast & hard we'd search if it was our child/sister/someone very close etc. We all tend to give our friends lots of breathing room, so I don't think they did anything unusual and I'm not judging them. I'm just horrified at the length of time it takes to get the coastguard into action. I am still horrified by the Holloway case, the Wood case etc & there's always room for improvement in the system. I admire Beth Holloway who did what she could to get response times shortened dramatically.

I think the fact that there is tech in existence that sounds an alert immediately if something falls overboard, it's reprehensible that cruise liners don't use it because they say it's "too expensive".

 

[JerseyGirl]

I'm only contrasting how fast & hard we'd search if it was our child/sister/someone very close etc. We all tend to give our friends lots of breathing room, so I don't think they did anything unusual and I'm not judging them. I'm just horrified at the length of time it takes to get the coastguard into action. I am still horrified by the Holloway case, the Wood case etc & there's always room for improvement in the system. I admire Beth Holloway who did what she could to get response times shortened dramatically.

I think the fact that there is tech in existence that sounds an alert immediately if something falls overboard, it's reprehensible that cruise liners don't use it because they say it's "too expensive".

So you think they should have called the coast guard at 9:00 a.m. instead of searching the ship when they noticed she didn't return to her cabin that night?

That's ridiculous. No one knew she went overboard until 5:00. You can't just call the coast guard and have them come out and search waters when you haven't verified that she is definitely NOT on the ship.

 

[Justice2016]

People go missing on ships all the time. The problem is that a lot of them (including me) shut their phones off because of international roaming charges.

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I understand re apps and phones.

I read on the cruisecritic blog yesterday that there is technology that surrounds the ship, sounding an immediate alert if someone or something goes overboard. I've seen the stats on how many go missing & I've watched 1 too many Dateline/Vanished episodes to think it normal not to use that tech when it's available.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I understand re apps and phones.

I read on the cruisecritic blog yesterday that there is technology that surrounds the ship, sounding an immediate alert if someone or something goes overboard. I've seen the stats on how many go missing & I've watched 1 too many Dateline/Vanished episodes to think it normal not to use that tech when it's available.

I would not want to pay extra in my cruise fare for that technology. If someone is stupid enough to sit on a railing or wants to jump, let them.

 

[Justice2016]

So you think they should have called the coast guard at 9:00 a.m. instead of searching the ship when they noticed she didn't return to her cabin that night?

That's ridiculous. No one knew she went overboard until 5:00. You can't just call the coast guard and have them come out and search waters when you haven't verified that she is definitely NOT on the ship.

I am saying that if it was legally possible to do so AFTER the ship had been searched the coastguard should be called.

I know there are different laws on different ships due to foreign country domain registration for most cruise liners which means the rules are different in each case.

But I object to the long delay. What's wrong with that?

You can't tell me that you would be ok with a lengthy process if your daughter/sister/partner fell overboard at 2am and you couldn't get the coastguard till 5pm? That means death. When it could be another way.....

 

[Justice2016]

I would not want to pay extra in my cruise fare for that technology. If someone is stupid enough to sit on a railing or wants to jump, let them.

you forget about cases when they are murdered, kidnapped or pushed overboard. i think we should just agree to disagree. we view the world differently.

 

[JanetElaine]

I am saying that if it was legally possible to do so AFTER the ship had been searched the coastguard should be called.

I know there are different laws on different ships due to foreign country domain registration for most cruise liners which means the rules are different in each case.

But I object to the long delay. What's wrong with that?

You can't tell me that you would be ok with a lengthy process if your daughter/sister/partner fell overboard at 2am and you couldn't get the coastguard till 5pm? That means death. When it could be another way.....

They did. As soon as they found video of her falling overboard the Coast Guard was contacted. They found this footage because one aspect of the search (along with putting the ship on lockdown and having stewards personally do a headcount of passengers in their rooms) is to review video footage.

At 2am they did not know she had fallen overboard so you cannot count that time as a 'delay'. Nobody even noticed her missing until 9am, after which her friends searched for her, then an official search was put on, and as soon as they found evidence that Samantha was not on the ship because video footage showed her falling overboard the CG was contacted.

I hate to sound crude but there was never hope for Samantha. Nobody knew she was missing until she'd already been overboard for 7 hours. That's when it all stops. Its not like people were standing around watching this happen at 2am and went to bed to deal with it in the daylight.

 

[lonetraveler]

Sarah Kirby fell from Carnival cruise ship at night. She was drunk and celebrating her thirtieth birthday. She fell three stories, bounced off of a life boat and fell five more stories into the ocean. Her roommate immediately contacted Carnival. Sarah, injured and bleeding, tread water for two hours and survived. Posting from my phone and don't know how to link. Watched her story on Inside Edition. Actually watched video of her going overboard. Horrifying.

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[lonetraveler]

There was a "Sarah Kirby" law put onto place on cruise ships to monitor how drunk passengers are and cut drinking off due to Kirby suing Carnival after going overboard.

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[JeannaT]

I think she accidentally fell. Suicidal individuals would climb over the railing and jump, not sit on it and fall backwards.

I'm not sure what you're basing this belief on. I'm not trying to be snarky, it just seems to me that it would be very likely someone committing suicide might rest up there a moment, say a prayer, whatever, then go backwards.