TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[katydid23]

Hasn't it been shared with MSM?

Not all of it.

 

[katydid23]

Hasn't it been shared with MSM?

IF you are taking a cell video of a woman arguing with a cop, are you going to stop when they start scuffling with each other?There seems to be a big chunk missing, right when the tussle between them happens.

 

[Montjoy]

So since you consider him a worthless liar, it is 'derailing the disvcussion' for me to ask if he might be telling the truth about the kick? Derailing the discussion, as in taking away from where the majority want it to go?

First, I never said he was worthless -- I said that his testimony is worthless.

As for your first question, I don't see how it helps to ask a bunch of questions that, in all honesty, can only be answered as "who knows?"

As for your second question -- I have no idea what you're talking about regarding 'where the majority want it to go'. Saying that I think most people do not find the officer credible does in no way suggest that there is some direction in which most people want the discussion to go. You're making a big assumption, and also characterizing many people in suggesting that they all have some preconceived direction about anything here. It's not fair to make assumptions about how others think.

 

[Rocco]

Then the person with the cell phone should offer up that part of the video. LE said they were trying to get a hold of it and couidn't. If the cell video shows that she didn't kick him, wouldnt the cell owner turn it over to CNN or someone?

The female officer that responded to the scene saw some of what was going on and maybe saw the kick. The discussion between the two officers regarding what happened takes place after SB is placed in a car and the officer says something to the effect "Did you see what she was doing" or "Did you see what she did?" The female officer responds "Yes" and then points to his leg and makes a comment.

 

[screecher]

It wasn't really the infraction that resulted in her death. It was partially her rude, hostile attitude which amped up the situation, needlessly. The cop had an ego and she had an attitude and it got ugly, fast.

Correct me if I'm wrong in understanding the bolded. It is because she was rude and hostile, she is dead???

 

[bluesneakers]

IF you are taking a cell video of a woman arguing with a cop, are you going to stop when they start scuffling with each other?There seems to be a big chunk missing, right when the tussle between them happens.

I would record the whole thing, especially the part where the cop told me not to. And if it were my video I would call my lawyer and discuss my options before handing it over to anyone.

 

[screecher]

there are video cams in every square foot of that jail.

Then we should see her in the cell. At all times.

 

[screecher]

link:
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84053091/

The trooper later wrote in an affidavit that Bland kicked him, leading to his use of force in which he took her to the ground.
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How is asking a question, based on the facts of THIS CASE, considered derailing the discussion? :waitasec:

Troopers are human. Humans sometimes (many times) lie. To keep their jobs.

Hmm.. Why in hell didn't he keep himself and her in his vehicle's video cam's scope? Why did he move her out of the view?

Isn't having the video cam for evidence? Hah!

 

[arkansasmimi]

Just curious...what if it was your family member that you felt certain would never kill herself despite what LE was saying? What would you do?

From her Facebook videos and one was recent few months back speaking of depression and PTSD. From her Intake info that she would have had to give, she stated she tried to commit suicide last year due to losing her precious baby. And then the loss of her God Mother. I would hope these family members would have known about this. If they didn't I can't even think about learning it now. But I feel that they KNEW, just didn't want to believe it. Knowing a loved one has passed, but to find out took own life, so many questions that there will never be a known answer for. I do pray they get all the answers possible.

 

[katydid23]

First, I never said he was worthless -- I said that his testimony is worthless.

As for your first question, I don't see how it helps to ask a bunch of questions that, in all honesty, can only be answered as "who knows?"

As for your second question -- I have no idea what you're talking about regarding 'where the majority want it to go'. Saying that I think most people do not find the officer credible does in no way suggest that there is some direction in which most people want the discussion to go. You're making a big assumption, and also characterizing many people in suggesting that they all have some preconceived direction about anything here. It's not fair to make assumptions about how others think.

I didn't ask a 'bunch' of questions. I asked ONE, which was about the officers claim that she kicked him. You said that by asking that I was 'derailing the discussion.'

Derailing means, by definition, changing the direction. So I am asking what you mean when you say I am 'derailing' the discussion by asking about the officers claim that he was kicked. It seems like it is relevant and important in this thread since it is about her arrest. How is it being 'derailed' by asking that question? I don't understand that.

 

[Curious Guy]

RBM

And sheriffs don't lie?

Sure some do. So do some of the social justice warriors. That's why it's important to wait on full disclosure and not act hysterical when these type of things occur.


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[katydid23]

Correct me if I'm wrong in understanding the bolded. It is because she was rude and hostile, she is dead???

No, her death is a tragedy and is more likely due to untreated mental health issues that she had hidden from her family. That happens in a lot of suicides, sadly enough. Her arrest stemmed from her being rude and hostile because the cop was also rude and had a bad attitude so it was a perfect storm.

 

[Montjoy]

I didn't ask a 'bunch' of questions. I asked ONE, which was about the officers claim that she kicked him. You said that by asking that I was 'derailing the discussion.'

With respect, I was referring to a number of posts, not just the one in question. And I'm not going to waste any more time in this off-topic discussion, as it does derail the discussion, just as hypothetical questions do.

 

[katydid23]

Troopers are human. Humans sometimes (many times) lie. To keep their jobs.

Hmm.. Why in hell didn't he keep himself and her in his vehicle's video cam's scope? Why did he move her out of the view?

Isn't having the video cam for evidence? Hah!

He moved her to the grass and the sidewalk area and out of the street. The dash cam is facing the back of her car and the street. He is not going to stay in the street to frisk her and cuff her. That is too dangerous because of traffic.

Maybe he lied. Maybe he didn't. He is a human and so are the people he deals with. ALL are capable of lying.

 

[katydid23]

With respect, I was referring to a number of posts, not just the one in question. And I'm not going to waste any more time in this off-topic discussion, as it does derail the discussion, just as hypothetical questions do.

Asking if the officer was telling the truth is not a hypothetical question, nor is it off topic. JMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Considering that the officer lied several times when he was talking to his department/precinct, I hardly consider the officer's account on the events that happened off-camera to be 'facts'. We have no idea what happened when, or whether he was kicked at all. We only have his self-serving testimony at this point, and I consider it worthless, and I suspect most of the posters in this thread do as well.

IIRC the female officer that came up said she saw it going down as she pulled up behind, the first officer, and began to help him. We also can see some of her resisting from getting handcuffs on as she moves around.... we see his vehicle coming from opposite direction. So there are more than just the orig officer, then there is the person who was taking the video by cell phone. So more than just one person. JMHO

 

[katydid23]

Interesting article:

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84053091/


Yes, an officer can order you out of your car, police experts agreed. But whether an officer can command you to extinguish a cigarette is murkier, depending on whether the cigarette is perceived as a threat. Several also said that some of the trooper’s actions were unprofessional and did not make for good policing.

Specifically, Texas Trooper Brian T. Encinia should not have reached into Bland’s vehicle when she refused his commands or threatened to “light” her up with a Taser, experts who saw the video said.

 

[arkansasmimi]

RBM

And sheriffs don't lie?

They are human and so I would say yes they do. I don't have facts that tell me they are lying in this instance. Until I have proof otherwise, I have no reason not to believe an article in paper, about timeline and video's that the camera's are motion activated.

 

[Curious Guy]

Asking if the officer was telling the truth is not a hypothetical question, nor is it off topic. JMO

It needs to be asked just like the questions the social justice warriors demand answers to. Some may not want it asked but that doesn't make it any less important.


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[katydid23]

Retired Los Angeles Police Capt. Greg Meyer said Bland's behavior led to the result.

“Officers have complete discretion to control the movements of the violator, including making them get out the car,” he said.

Meyer said it is standard practice to have someone put out their cigarette.

“No one, including a police officer, wants to get a burning cigarette jammed into their face or eye; it’s basic procedure,” he said. “The officer asked politely if she would mind putting out her cigarette. The violator then raised her voice, actively resisted multiple lawful directions to get out of the car. The officer requested a backup officer to respond. The officer raised his voice several times in what turned out to be a futile effort to overcome that resistance.”

In hindsight, Meyer said, it may have been better to wait for backup. “The lady seemed committed to her resistance to lawful detention and arrest, so the presence of a backup unit might not have made much difference,” he said.

“This is yet another case of someone who chooses to illegally resist the directions of a police officer, thus escalating the situation, “ he said.



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