TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #2

[arkansasmimi]

T.L. Langford ‏@tlangford 10h10 hours ago
WCSO Capt. Brian Cantrell says #SandraBland used agency's phone instead of inmate phone because jailers had sympathy for her.

T.L. Langford ‏@tlangford 10h10 hours ago
WCSO's Cantrell declined to say that #SandraBland's use of staff phone was a violation of their policies.

T.L. Langford ‏@tlangford 10h10 hours ago
"I can't give you definite information on who she called," -Cantrell. #SandraBland

T.L. Langford ‏@tlangford 10h10 hours ago
In a jail, inmates are commonly issued PIN numbers to use in a phone system that bills the person called if they accept the call from jail.

T.L. Langford ‏@tlangford 10h10 hours ago
#SandraBland refused to use the inmate PIN/phone system. Jailers took sympathy on her and let her use staff phone, they said.

T.L. Langford ‏@tlangford 10h10 hours ago
Jail has asked the phone company for records of #SandraBland calls made from staff phone.

T.L. Langford ‏@tlangford 10h10 hours ago
#Sandrabland spent 22 mins on 4, 5 calls.

 

[Sulamith]

She tried to give her reasoning for moving over, which was fine, but she still broke the law by not using her turn signal. She is not protected under free speech for breaking the law. She caused the traffic stop. Why is it so hard for anyone to acknowledge that. Geesh

Because, maybe, some of the posters grew up in the 1970's and remember Judas Priest's song "Breaking the Law" and we will fight for our rights?? And maybe some posters here remember the "Free Speech Movement"??

 

[Confusion]

She tried to give her reasoning for moving over, which was fine, but she still broke the law by not using her turn signal. She is not protected under free speech for breaking the law. She caused the traffic stop. Why is it so hard for anyone to acknowledge that. Geesh

She may have caused the traffic stop, but that doesn't account for the rest. If he had done his job properly, she could have just signed the ticket and gone on her way. MOO

 

[arkansasmimi]

I can't believe they didn't make her use the phone like everyone else. Where everything is recorded. I have seen on news in Arkansas, that jails get a % of the fee that is charged on the jail phones. I know from looking at the ADOC, they have to use calling cards or have money on their books.

Doesn't sound like they were being too racist at that jail, as some have proclaimed. Jmho...

 

[Montjoy]

[video=youtu;GXY2fImfr7Y]http://youtu.be/GXY2fImfr7Y[/video]

Anyone remember seeing this clip before?

What word were we calling SB? Hostile?

Now that is a professional LEO.

 

[katydid23]

re: Kind of uncomfortable to have your line of work being painted with a broad brush

I think much of that is many folks shock at the relentless amount of video making the nightly news showing, horrendous abuse of citizens who are paying there salaries. There certainly is much "proof" of what has been going on for decades.

ANd what is really strange one would think that the endless stream of this stuff would slow down - like guys and gals things are different now, you all better toe the line, follow the laws, chances are real good people are recording you now days. And if you dont want to find yourself in another line of work - follow the laws

its a culture, what is called something like code of blue or something - its like a fraturnity

Relentless amount of video showing horrendous abuse? There are 1.1 million LEOs working in the states currently. How many videos do we see on the news? I think a very very tiny percentage of those 1.1 million are ever seen on the news being abusive. I think every Tom, Dick and Jane has a video phone now to stream everything and so there are going to be incidents on the news. But given the tremendous amount of police interactions, I'd say we see very few abusive incidents, percentage wise.

And of course it's a culture, and it's a brotherhood. They could not survive on the streets without making it so. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I , like most teachers, want the bad ones gone. They have no right destroying the lives of students.

They make the rest of teachers look bad.

I think something like 50% of people that go into teaching quit within five years.

That is an expensive change. Four years of college.

We know that people who want to sexually abuse children go into professions where there are children. Best to go fishing where there are fish.

So I guess the previous poster was correct by saying the protocol does not always work in a cut and dried fashion then? :wink:

 

[kimlynn]

[video=youtu;GXY2fImfr7Y]http://youtu.be/GXY2fImfr7Y[/video]

Anyone remember seeing this clip before?

What word were we calling SB? Hostile?

BE could have learned a lot from this officer and the video was hilarious. Good example of the right way to conduct a stop. IMO

 

[kimlynn]

She tried to give her reasoning for moving over, which was fine, but she still broke the law by not using her turn signal. She is not protected under free speech for breaking the law. She caused the traffic stop. Why is it so hard for anyone to acknowledge that. Geesh

Of course she broke the law. But it was a minor offense until BE lost his marbles. IMO

 

[kimlynn]

I can't believe they didn't make her use the phone like everyone else. Where everything is recorded. I have seen on news in Arkansas, that jails get a % of the fee that is charged on the jail phones. I know from looking at the ADOC, they have to use calling cards or have money on their books.

Doesn't sound like they were being too racist at that jail, as some have proclaimed. Jmho...

I'm glad she was shown some kindness by her jailers. IMO

 

[Confusion]

Relentless amount of video showing horrendous abuse? There are 1.1 million LEOs working in the states currently. How many videos do we see on the news? I think a very very tiny percentage of those 1.1 million are ever seen on the news being abusive. I think every Tom, Dick and Jane has a video phone now to stream everything and so there are going to be incidents on the news. But given the tremendous amount of police interactions, I'd say we see very few abusive incidents, percentage wise.

And of course it's a culture, and it's a brotherhood. They could not survive on the streets without making it so. JMO

Just trying to get things back on track. It really doesn't matter if there are no more unprofessional LEOs in the country, or even in the world. What matters is that there is/was one in Texas and I believe he made the job harder and more dangerous for all others by behaving the way he did during this case. If nothing else good comes from this, I hope he (if he is allowed to keep his job), and all others that need it, receive the extra training needed to help keep something like this from happening again. I would prefer to see him in a different line of work, if not locked up himself, but I'd settle for seeing the improved performance if that's the best they'll do.

MOO

 

[human]

So I guess the previous poster was correct by saying the protocol does not always work in a cut and dried fashion then? :wink:

For the ones who should be looking for a different job, it probably does not work. Teachers can have power and control issues as well. There are those who think they should be respected just because they are a teacher.

Repect is earned . You can't bully your way to respect

 

[Friday Fan]

Texas state legislature will hold hearing (independent of Waller County investigation)


https://www.texastribune.org/2015/07/28/coleman-calls-hearing-texas-jail-standards/

Bland Arrest, Death Prompt Legislative Hearing
Following the controversial arrest and death of Sandra Bland in Waller County, a Houston lawmaker will convene a Texas House committee hearing Thursday to look at trooper arrest procedures and state jail standards.

"This isn't to beat up on somebody," said state Rep. Garnet Coleman, chairman of the Texas House Committee on County Affairs. "We want to solve problems."

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw has confirmed he will testify at the hearing, along with Limestone County Sheriff Dennis Wilson, who has for years voiced concerns about problems facing Texas jails. Brandon Wood, executive director of the Texas Commission on Jail Standards, the agency that oversees local lockups, will also testify.

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"As of today, I cannot confirm if she did or did not receive medication while she was in the Waller County Jail," Capt. Brian Cantrell of the Waller County Sheriff's Office told The Texas Tribune on Monday.

 

[Rocco]

[video=youtu;GXY2fImfr7Y]http://youtu.be/GXY2fImfr7Y[/video]

Anyone remember seeing this clip before?

What word were we calling SB? Hostile?

As flipped out as that guy is, he's compliant. When to officer hands him the ticket, he crumples it up and throws it out the window. The officer then says., "If you don't pick that up, I'm going to cite you for littering". The guy gets out of his vehicle, picks it up, and returns to his vehicle. The officer then says, "You missed a piece". The guy then gets out of his vehicle again and picks up that piece of paper. He did what he was told despite how angry he was.

 

[Rocco]

[video=youtu;GXY2fImfr7Y]http://youtu.be/GXY2fImfr7Y[/video]

Anyone remember seeing this clip before?

What word were we calling SB? Hostile?

As flipped out as that guy is, he's compliant. When the officer hands him the ticket, he crumples it up and throws it out the window. The officer then says., "If you don't pick that up, I'm going to cite you for littering". The guy gets out of his vehicle, picks it up, and returns to his vehicle. The officer then says, "You missed a piece". The guy then gets out of his vehicle again and picks up that piece of paper. He did what he was told despite how angry he was.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I'm glad she was shown some kindness by her jailers. IMO

I think they should get in trouble. Jail calls are monitored. Her's weren't. Now all they know is what number she called. She could have been talking to her marijuana contact. Are these the same people that were being called murders earlier? That screwed didn't fallow the rules on if she should have been on suicide watch or no?

 

[katydid23]

For the ones who should be looking for a different job, it probably does not work. Teachers can have power and control issues as well. There are those who think they should be respected just because they are a teacher.

Repect is earned . You can't bully your way to respect

And I disagree. I think EVERYONE deserves respect. You can lose that respect and have to earn it back again---but EVERYONE deserves respect until they show you otherwise. Teachers, students, cops, drivers, everyone.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't think that anyone suggested that everyone should be under arrest. Please provide a link if you think otherwise.

Respectfully, but my comment was to this

Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
See earlier post - this area has a hideous record with racism, like really bad. The sheriff of there was fired for racism and brutality.

Not everyone who lives in the area is racist, like really bad. I stand by that. Heck the jail people even screwed up and let her use the jail phones instead of using the ones like other inmates where the caller has to pay a collect call. MULTIPLE TIMES... LINK>>

Video from Saturday afternoon showed her making or attempting to make several phone calls.

Waller County officials said a jailer allowed her to use the phone in the booking area, which is not regular procedure. Officials said he even looked up phone numbers for her. At one point, Bland appeared to be in tears again. Officials said she was trying to find someone to post her $500 bond.

"Of all the footage that we've seen here today, there's no footage that indicates to me that Ms. Bland was treated with unfairly or was mishandled or mistreated in any way shape or form while she was in the Waller County Jail," Duhon said.http://www.khou.com/story/news/loca...bland-footage-from-before-her-death/30786123/

 

[Elisaa444]

She tried to give her reasoning for moving over, which was fine, but she still broke the law by not using her turn signal. She is not protected under free speech for breaking the law. She caused the traffic stop. Why is it so hard for anyone to acknowledge that. Geesh

I've never thought for one moment that she didn't deserve a warning or ticket based on whatever BE wanted to give her for her traffic violations. Yes, when you break a law you have to pay the consequences. My problem with BE is not because he pulled her over and not because he pulled her over for changing lanes without signaling. My problem with BE didn't start until SB asked him 'why she had to put out her cig since she's in her own car.' When he proceeded to ignore her question and then ordered her out of her vehicle..from there and beyond is what I have a problem with.

I definitely think she should be pulled over for any traffic violation she made and I accept and support the decision of the LEO on whatever he wanted to give for that violation (either a warning or ticket.) It is what happened (for me) when he was about to issue the warning and the exchange and events that happened from that point on.
MOO

 

[arkansasmimi]

So I am guessing the morning she committed suicide, she had asked the jailers via intercom to use the phone. She was wanting to use the phone out front as she had prev instead of the one in her cell, that was collect call. Apparently she wasn't allowed that day. Still watching videos