TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #2

[CARIIS]

My hunch is that she was black. She told the cop that she was going to summer school at the university, which is 85% black.

Is this the same school - Prairie View A&M University in Texas?

 

[KaaBoom]

Respectfully, that can be done with traffic cams. It is in the UK. Patrol officers pull folks over in part to maintain a "presence".

And probably to see if there are dead bodies or bales of 420 in the back seat.

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In the US it's done to #1 raise revenue. Traffic cams generally are not cost effective here (people tend to comply with traffic regulations in the vicinity of the cameras). The police here want people to violate traffic laws so they can randomly rob them.

#2 Presence. So they can violate peoples constitutional rights, and search their cars for drugs without a warrant. This has been going on since they started The War on Drugs in the 1970s.

 

[Montjoy]

Protecting her right to drive DWI ? You must be joking .


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Honest question -- when was she tested? I seem to think it was during her autopsy. If so, the levels of THC do not tell me much about when she was driving, since it was so long before. Perhaps she was high, I don't know.

For what it's worth, I have not see much evidence to suggest that pot on its own would have made her confrontational to the awful officer who pulled her over. I know, it's stronger than it used to be, but it's not qualitatively different. As well, I am not sure when she was tested, and perhaps someone here knows. (I'm not asking anyone here to do research for me - I can't stand when people do that, but perhaps someone knows or has a link.)

 

[Confusion]

Protecting her right to drive DWI ? You must be joking .


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Can you show me where I said that? I'll happily remove it once I see where it is. TIA

 

[arkansasmimi]

Wait, just a second. I'm not talking about the suicide at all here -- just about the arrest. And I'm uncomfortable asking this, as, for whatever reason, Arkansas is one of my favorite states (I have been there a few times, and worked just north of the Ozarks for a couple of summers). She was willing to be processed and sign off on her traffic violation, but then things went south. A lot of things happened between her being pulled over and being found dead in her cell -- you make it seem like that was a single action.

Put it this way, if you read or respond to nothing else in this post, do you think that the officer acted professionally and appropriately in this incident?

Respectfully BBM, that is very confusing to me. Why are you uncomfortable asking something because Arkansas is one of your favorite states? It is a Beautiful State and we will not close the gates at any of the State Lines just because you ask question, I promise.

It is of my opinion that there were times he was not professional in his actions. I will not even try to say what he was or wasn't thinking, why he responded as he did when he did. I was unable to see SB inside the vehicle to see what she was doing (body language). She was very cocky and she shares blame for things that happened also. To even hint that she doesn't even make sense. She broke 2 laws that can be seen in plain site. She ran a stop sign and changed lanes with out using her turn signal. She was aware of both. If she wasn't then she had no business behind that wheel. But she did know what she did, because she tried to explain it away. She was STILL wrong, she still broke the law. We know NOW, that she was under the influence (at least at time of autopsy) so very possible she was when she was stopped.

I totally agree, that its 2 different actions (the arrest and the jail). Although many seem to think different. But bottom line is Sandra Bland, is who is started this, when she broke the law. She was rude and very irritated that she got stopped .. how dare he stop her????
It was very clear to me, after watching her fb videos, she had an agenda and somehow some where... it all fell apart. JMHO

 

[CARIIS]

He has got some tough stuff coming up - the more laws I discover he violated my goodness! And that is congruent with how fast they got him off the road, and leaders when they saw the video were appalled.

Last year the Surpreme Court of the United States ruled that what he did was not legal:

A routine traffic stop is more like a brief stop under Terry v. Ohio, 392 U. S. 1, than an arrest, see, e.g., Arizona v. Johnson, 555 U. S. 323, 330. Its tolerable duration is determined by the seizure’s “mission,” which is to address the traffic violation that warranted the stop, Illinois v. Caballes, 543 U. S. 405, 407 and attend to related safety concerns. Authority for the seizure ends when tasks tied to the traffic infraction are—or reasonably should have been— completed.

The Fourth Amendment may tolerate certain unrelated investigations that do not lengthen the roadside detention, Johnson, 555 U. S., at 327–328 (questioning); Caballes, 543 U. S., at 406, 408 (dog sniff), but a traffic stop “become unlawful if it is prolonged beyond the time reasonably required to complete the mission” of issuing a warning ticket, id., at 407.

My goodness how long did this one go on? He can be charged probably on this alone---

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-9972_p8k0.pdf

 

[Night-owl]

If we notice tho, she nothing that we saw in the video that resmembles assualt - in fact she was relativily calm after a suppossed professionial reached in her vehicle, and yanked her out of the car.

The extent of injuries I just learned about from autopsy clearly indicate the use of excesive force. I would be upset if i was all brused up . She was. An embedded piece of grass in her back, also gives some horrific notion of the impact of being slammed down.

I def think he will be charged, correctly, with excessive force, false arrest and shall do some time IMO

I read the autopsy report. I didn't see anything that said there was embedded grass. There was plant material adherent. Which implies stuck to scabbed skin.

Bruises can certainly indicate and assult. It will depend on what would be expexted when a person is restrained. There were no torn ligaments or broken bones. There are no contusion or fracture of the skull, inconsistent with having one's head slammed into the ground.

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[Night-owl]

In the US it's done to #1 raise revenue. Traffic cams generally are not cost effective here (people tend to comply with traffic regulations in the vicinity of the cameras). The police here want people to violate traffic laws so they can randomly rob them.

#2 Presence. So they can violate peoples constitutional rights, and search their cars for drugs without a warrant. This has been going on since they started The War on Drugs in the 1970s.

References? TIA.

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[CARIIS]

She smoked weed - a substance that is becoming legal in more and more places as the scientific community learns thats its actually no big deal


Weed stays in your system for long peroids of time -

The effects of smoking marijuana fade quickly, but the drug, known affectionately as "weed," can be detected in the body for weeks and sometimes longer.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/marijuana_test.htm

we cant really conclude that she smoked that day

 

[bluesneakers]

You could be right. In the grand scheme of things the color of her skin doesn't matter. What most of us saw was a polite young lady and I would guess that none of us know her skin tone. Wouldn't it be great if we were all color blind.

No, it would not. Multiculturalism is a great thing for everybody involved, and colorblindness robs people of their identities, invalidates a person's experience with racism, equates color with something negative, etc. There's no reason it would be a positive thing and right now in our time it's a negative idea. (And also a false idea - no one is blind to someone's race.)

Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun: “To overcome racism, one must first take race into account.”

 

[Sulamith]

In the US it's done to #1 raise revenue. Traffic cams generally are not cost effective here (people tend to comply with traffic regulations in the vicinity of the cameras). The police [/B]here want people to violate traffic laws so they can randomly rob them.

#2 Presence. So they can violate peoples constitutional rights, and search their cars for drugs without a warrant. This has been going on since they started The War on Drugs in the 1970s.

BBM Reminds me of the "Highway robbery" that was going on in Tenaha, Tx a few years back.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-texas-profiling_wittmar10-story.html#page=1

 

[kimlynn]

Last year the Surpreme Court of the United States ruled that what he did was not legal:

A routine traffic stop is more like a brief stop under Terry v. Ohio, 392 U. S. 1, than an arrest, see, e.g., Arizona v. Johnson, 555 U. S. 323, 330. Its tolerable duration is determined by the seizure’s “mission,” which is to address the traffic violation that warranted the stop, Illinois v. Caballes, 543 U. S. 405, 407 and attend to related safety concerns. Authority for the seizure ends when tasks tied to the traffic infraction are—or reasonably should have been— completed.

The Fourth Amendment may tolerate certain unrelated investigations that do not lengthen the roadside detention, Johnson, 555 U. S., at 327–328 (questioning); Caballes, 543 U. S., at 406, 408 (dog sniff), but a traffic stop “become unlawful if it is prolonged beyond the time reasonably required to complete the mission” of issuing a warning ticket, id., at 407.

My goodness how long did this one go on? He can be charged probably on this alone---

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-9972_p8k0.pdf

Something to hope for. Yay!

 

[CajunA]

I've been told by a cop that he can arrest someone for raising their voice for Disturbing the peace...She shouldn't have been so sassy to a state trooper. That should be common sense. It's sad that it happened at all. I probably would have said, oh I'm so sorry...I got so nervous with you tailing behind me I totally forgot to use my signal. And he probably would have let her go on her way if she said something like that.
Fact is...he didn't like or appreciate her bad attitude toward him.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Originally Posted by BayouBelle_LA View Post
I apologize if this has been answered, how do we know it was a white female in the previous traffic stop? Not that it matters but I've seen it stated throughout this thread and I can't tell from the video.

My hunch is that she was black. She told the cop that she was going to summer school at the university, which is 85% black.

I can't tell either, and it does not matter, unless someone is trying to make this into a racial incident. I in no way feel it was and see no proof of it being. Even a predominately black university (I believe is how its said in MSM) there are still students of different races enrolled there. Ones voice does not give your race away, lol sometimes its even hard to tell gender. I have a female friend who has a scruffy voice and sounds like a male on the phone JMHO

 

[katydid23]

She clearly stated that our practice was cut and dried. I have committed my life to my profession and for someone to cast doubt that teachers use peaceful methods to handle scary situations, well that is just accusatory.

The subject only came up after her asking "well what do teachers do?"

She then cast doubt on our truthful answers. That is her right. But it is also our right to defend our practices.

Good night.

'OH now, this is funny. I worked in schools for many years, and I got lots of 'scary teacher' stories. It is very funny now that the shoe is on the other foot. A poster asks a sincere question and suddenly there is outrage that anyone would even question teacher's practices. And yet I know of many teachers who have snapped in class and put their hands on kids, or emotionally abused them. Sadly, even some accused of sexual abuse. Lots of abuse of authority examples rolling around in my memory banks.

Kind of uncomfortable to have your line of work being painted with a broad brush, like many have done to LEOs. Eh?

 

[CARIIS]

I read the autopsy report. I didn't see anything that said there was embedded grass. There was plant material adherent. Which implies stuck to scabbed skin.

Bruises can certainly indicate and assult. It will depend on what would be expexted when a person is restrained. There were no torn ligaments or broken bones. There are no contusion or fracture of the skull, inconsistent with having one's head slammed into the ground.

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When I read that I thought there is probably not grass (not that kind ha) in a prison cell and where he assulated her was in grass, so it made sense to me that it came when he tossed her into the ground and smushed her with his knees, which eexplains the 6 inch round contusion in the middle of her bac IMO k

 

[kimlynn]

I've been told by a cop that he can arrest someone for raising their voice for Disturbing the peace...She shouldn't have been so sassy to a state trooper. That should be common sense. It's sad that it happened at all. I probably would have said, oh I'm so sorry...I got so nervous with you tailing behind me I totally forgot to use my signal. And he probably would have let her go on her way if she said something like that.
Fact is...he didn't like or appreciate her bad attitude toward him.

I was told just the opposite. A LE officer told me that people can curse at them and they can't do anything about it. IMO
No link as it was a conversation with a former neighbor that was LE.

 

[Montjoy]

I can't tell either, and it does not matter, unless someone is trying to make this into a racial incident. I in no way feel it was and see no proof of it being. Even a predominately black university (I believe is how its said in MSM)

Not a criticism, but I believe that MSM and pretty much everyone refers to such schools as 'historically black universities', not 'predominately black universities'.

 

[Night-owl]

When I read that I thought there is probably not grass (not that kind ha) in a prison cell and where he assulated her was in grass, so it made sense to me that it came when he tossed her into the ground and smushed her with his knees, which eexplains the 6 inch round contusion in the middle of her bac IMO k

Yes, it probably got on her at the arrest. Which is odd that it was still on her at the autopsy. Though doubt I'd be anxious to shower in jail too.

My point is using "embedded" implies to me something like it was jutting straight into her sternum. The autopsy report says "adherent". Stuck on, as opposed to stuck in. Very different implications there.

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[CARIIS]

Pennsylvania vs. Mimms, ruled that police do have the right to ask citizens to step out of their cars during traffic stops.

However, as the Rodriguez ruling states, Pennsylvania vs. Mimms allowed officers to order citizens out of their cars in the name of “officer safety” as they are conducting the traffic stop. Not after they have completed the initial mission of the stop, which in Bland’s case, was to address her improper lane change.

The traffic stop was over and Encinia extended it when she did not put out her cigarette after he had asked, not ordered, her to turn it off.

As we can see by Encinia’s volatile reaction to Bland questioning why she needed to extinguish her cigarette, she had every reason to fear for her safety.

coloring below not mine!

PINAC reported earlier that Texas State Trooper Officer Brian Encinia unlawfully ordered a nearby witness recording Sandra Bland’s arrest to cease his activities,

as the video notes, Officer Encinia was capable of conducting a similar stop in curt fashion for a student in a short encounter a few minutes before speeding off and making a U-Turn to catch up to Sandra Bland’s car in rapid fashion initiating her ultimate demise.

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...g-said-sandra-bland-arrest-should-have-ended/