TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[arkansasmimi]

Oh for Pete's Sake, was that her corpse that appeared at her bond hearing? Ridiculous.

:yeahthat:

 

[kimlynn]

Respectfully, She was irritated and she said so when she replied to him asking if she was ok, and went on to tell him why she was. @approx 8:46 http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-new-sandra-bland-video--20150722-story.html#page=1

Correct. I was responding to another poster that used the word agitated to describe the cigarette incident. She did say she was irritated and went on to explain why.

 

[Confusion]

I'm beginning to wonder if we've all watched the same video. What I saw was him asking her if she was okay (which he also asked the first girl, so it doesn't mean she didn't seem okay to me), I think he was still behaving okay at that point. Once he said she seemed irritated and she told him why she was, his whole demeanor changed. I could hear it in his voice when he asked if she was done, and I thought the "please" in his request to put out the cigarette sounded sarcastic (to me). I got the impression that he only told her to get out of the car because she said she had the right to smoke in her own car.

When he was trying to pull her out of the car, she said she didn't have to get out because she wasn't under arrest and he said, "You are under arrest." At that point, it looked to me like she got out on her own and complained about how ridiculous the whole thing was. There are a few other things that I seem to have seen/interpreted differently than many here, but I won't go into them.

MOO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Let's hope he takes this time to think long and hard about what happened and realized law enforcement is not the career for him.

I would think the situation is thought over and over in his mind. I wont say about realizing LEO is not the career for him because I dont know if it is or isn't for him personally. I don't know all the facts. What public opinion is and facts are usually not close on a lot of cases. I personally like to deal with the facts. And want the facts to dictate the outcome. Doesn't always happen as we think but I do have faith in our Judicial System. Not saying I always have faith in some who enforce the laws because there are rotten apples in all walks of life. But I choose to believe the majority have integrity and put their uniform on and serve to keep the citizens safe and upholding the law. As they leave for work each shift knowing that they may not return home to their loved ones after their shift. I can't even imagine. Not a lot of Professions do that... Fireman and LEO, yes I do have Great Respect for them as I do for our Military Past and Present. JMHO

 

[katydid23]

When she explained WHY she was agitated he dismissed it with (paraphrase) "are you done?" When she yelled about being manhandled and revealed that she has epilepsy, he said "GOOD". JMO

I am not sure that she really had epilepsy. Her family knew nothing about it. She was not taking medication for it. And she was DRIVING. My friend has epillepsy and is not allowed to drive until she gets the seizures under control.

I don't think the cop believed her when she said that.

ETA:
http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/guide/seizures-driving
Each state has individual driving regulations. People with epilepsy are required to report their condition to their State Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). However, states require different people to do the reporting. Some states require the doctor to contact the DMV. Other states require the patient to sign a simple form at the time of application for a license or at the time of license renewal, declaring that they will notify the DMV of changes in their health status or driving ability.

When a person with epilepsy wishes to drive for the first time, an application will need to be filled out. When someone who already holds a driver's license is newly diagnosed with epilepsy, that person is responsible to notify the proper authority.

 

[Montjoy]

I don't think the cop believed her when she said that.

Not sure how you would come to that conclusion, but even so, if he doubted her, why did he yell "GOOD!" (which seems a rather sadistic thing to say, but he's certainly not the only sadistic police officer) rather than yelling "NO YOU DON'T!"?

 

[arkansasmimi]

I watched the video four times and it looked to me as though she stopped long enough to determine that she could safely pull out into traffic.
If she had ran a stop sign he would have flashed his lights at her in order to pull her over. IMO
He also would have said 'did you know you ran a stop sign back there' IMO

I have no idea why he didn't say anything to her about the stop sign. STOP SIGN MEANS STOP NOT SLOW DOWN .. My little grandkiddos know that. He would have had to have had his lights on (or I will assume) how else would she have known to stop her vehicle? Which she pulled over and came to a stop. JMHO

 

[4senthia]

What Ms. Bland did was not an actual stop at the stop sign (ie 3 seconds of full stop).
Think she did a "California" stop:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=california+stop
> california stop
not coming to a full stop at a stop sign or running it all together<
Several examples of term usage at link (ha I actually remember this from so many years ago...a cop supposedly thumped a teenage boy gently w/his baton...then asked "do you want me to slow down or do you want me to stop"...might've been Hunter S. Thompson idk)
:moo:

 

[arkansasmimi]

Most people aren't ordered out of their vehicle and or arrested for such a minor fault as failing to use a turn signal.
And he told she was under arrest before she 'kicked" him.
I can say if LE is roaring up behind me I would also move out of their way thinking they must be on a run and not wanting to impede them.
Her only known crime is not using a signal to change lanes.
For this minor infraction she lost her life...possibly by her own hand. IMO

She wasn't ordered out of her car for failing to use her turn signal.
She wasn't arrested for failing to use her turn signal.
Per her arresting report and Booking report she was arrested for Assult on a Public Servant.

She died per the M.E. >The cause of Sandra Bland's death was hanging; the manner of death was suicide, a prosecutor told reporters, citing preliminary autopsy results. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-

 

[kimlynn]

Not sure how you would come to that conclusion, but even so, if he doubted her, why did he yell "GOOD!" (which seems a rather sadistic thing to say, but he's certainly not the only sadistic police officer) rather than yelling "NO YOU DON'T!"?

And the female officer saying 'no you are' to SB after SB uses the P word toward I assume the male officer. At least that was my take on the audio off camera.
Pretty ugly. IMO

 

[human]

I think most in this thread have agreed that the LEO acted less than professional. Unfortunately IMO the victim's past activism/attitude towards white LE added to his bad behavior caused the situation to escalate quickly.

Very sad that a routine traffic stop leads to the death of a young woman. I just hope now that it's apparent it was a suicide all the crazy conspiracy theories will subside. However,I fear that's asking too much from some of the same tired bad actors.


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Whine whine. "Butttttttt she maaaaaaade me do it!"

Sorry, but I don't accept that rationale from a four year old.

 

[katydid23]

Not sure how you would come to that conclusion, but even so, if he doubted her, why did he yell "GOOD!" (which seems a rather sadistic thing to say, but he's certainly not the only sadistic police officer) rather than yelling "NO YOU DON'T!"?

When quoting a post, it is best to quote the entire post, or say it has been snipped, otherwise it is taken out of context. You only posted ONE SENTENCE of my post. I answered the question in the post but you snipped it, without making note of it.

HERE is what I posted:


I am not sure that she really had epilepsy. Her family knew nothing about it. She was not taking medication for it. And she was DRIVING. My friend has epillepsy and is not allowed to drive until she gets the seizures under control.

I don't think the cop believed her when she said that.

ETA:
http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/guide/seizures-driving
Each state has individual driving regulations. People with epilepsy are required to report their condition to their State Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). However, states require different people to do the reporting. Some states require the doctor to contact the DMV. Other states require the patient to sign a simple form at the time of application for a license or at the time of license renewal, declaring that they will notify the DMV of changes in their health status or driving ability.

When a person with epilepsy wishes to drive for the first time, an application will need to be filled out. When someone who already holds a driver's license is newly diagnosed with epilepsy, that person is responsible to notify the proper authority.

 

[kimlynn]

I have no idea why he didn't say anything to her about the stop sign. STOP SIGN MEANS STOP NOT SLOW DOWN .. My little grandkiddos know that. He would have had to have had his lights on (or I will assume) how else would she have known to stop her vehicle? Which she pulled over and came to a stop. JMHO

Sure he probably did light her up (pun intended) in order for her to know to pull over. But that was for the turn signal. IMO
If he had put his lights on earlier for a stop sign he would have also turned on his audio because he planned to stop her for the stop sign. IMO
Nothing to indicate from him that he thought she had ran a stop sign.

 

[kimlynn]

What Ms. Bland did was not an actual stop at the stop sign (ie 3 seconds of full stop).
Think she did a "California" stop:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=california+stop
> california stop
not coming to a full stop at a stop sign or running it all together<
Several examples of term usage at link (ha I actually remember this from so many years ago...a cop supposedly thumped a teenage boy gently w/his baton...then asked "do you want me to slow down or do you want me to stop"...might've been Hunter S. Thompson idk)
:moo:

Ah well. None of us are perfect. I have a few times on a very slightly traveled road near my home just did the pause slow down thing as long as no incoming traffic is coming. IMO

 

[kimlynn]

She wasn't ordered out of her car for failing to use her turn signal.
She wasn't arrested for failing to use her turn signal.
Per her arresting report and Booking report she was arrested for Assult on a Public Servant.

She died per the M.E. >The cause of Sandra Bland's death was hanging; the manner of death was suicide, a prosecutor told reporters, citing preliminary autopsy results. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-

Yes that was my point. Most aren't ordered out of their vehicle for a minor traffic infraction.
So why did he order her out of her car?
At that point no physical contact was made until he put his hands on her to pull her from her car.
I know he said the arrest was due to being kicked but that came after he told her she was under arrest.
It shouldn't be that hard to understand this guy is telling fibs to cover his ***. IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Now I have to wonder why he felt SB was a threat. All she said prior to his order to step out of the vehicle was you sped up behind me and tailed me so I pulled over.
Then we have the request to put out the cigarette. Next the order to leave the safety of her vehicle.
Did he call for backup before the tussle in the car since he must have felt she was a threat to his safety.
I just read the incident report on CNN and he didn't mention fear for his safety as to why he asked her to exit the vehicle.

The order to step out of the car came after he asked her to put out the cig, then she told him she didnt have to step out of the car. He also call for back up right after he told her she was under arrest around the 10:13 mark before he pulled his taser http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-new-sandra-bland-video--20150722-story.html#page=1

 

[kimlynn]

The order to step out of the car came after he asked her to put out the cig, then she told him she didnt have to step out of the car. He also call for back up right after he told her she was under arrest around the 10:13 mark before he pulled his taser http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-new-sandra-bland-video--20150722-story.html#page=1

This could go on all day and into the night.lol Yes I agree. The order to step out out of the car came after he requested she put out her cigarette. He did radio for back up but this was done in between the tussle with her inside her car.
So my post that you quoted to correct me was a post of me saying that IMO he would have radioed for back up before he put his hands on her if his intent to order her out of the car was based on fear of his personal safety.
In conclusion it doesn't appear (IMO) that the reason for ordering her out of the car was due to safety reasons. IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

I'm beginning to wonder if we've all watched the same video. What I saw was him asking her if she was okay (which he also asked the first girl, so it doesn't mean she didn't seem okay to me), I think he was still behaving okay at that point. Once he said she seemed irritated and she told him why she was, his whole demeanor changed. I could hear it in his voice when he asked if she was done, and I thought the "please" in his request to put out the cigarette sounded sarcastic (to me). I got the impression that he only told her to get out of the car because she said she had the right to smoke in her own car.

When he was trying to pull her out of the car, she said she didn't have to get out because she wasn't under arrest and he said, "You are under arrest." At that point, it looked to me like she got out on her own and complained about how ridiculous the whole thing was. There are a few other things that I seem to have seen/interpreted differently than many here, but I won't go into them.

MOO

The video I am watching and refering to ,he inquired twice. First when he walked to passenger side to get her DL and insur, he asked her Whats wrong. Second time, was when he returned to her car, Drivers side, @840 on video, @846 he asked if she was ok.

She told him she didn't have to step out of the car before he even opened the door. At least in the video I am watching. @927 http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-new-sandra-bland-video--20150722-story.html#page=1

 

[cady]

Right ok so why the discrepancy on the same form?

Handwritten screening for by O. Prudente says yes at 17:32.

Typed which has the words 'Booked 07/10/2015 8:15pm' says yes at the top and no at the bottom.
Medical intake 8.17pm by Magnus, Elsa

http://documents.latimes.com/booking-documents-sandra-bland/

This is going to continue to bother me

ME,too KEPPRA is to control epilepsy. On insurance question, somewhere among booking docs I just read, it said no insurance (med). If she was not taking meds it could be because she could not afford them,JMO. Anyway, whether her family knew it or not, I believe that she had epilepsy. JMO

 

[Rocco]

ME,too KEPPRA is to control epilepsy. On insurance question, somewhere among booking docs I just read, it said no insurance (med). If she was not taking meds it could be because she could not afford them,JMO. Anyway, whether her family knew it or not, I believe that she had epilepsy. JMO

Why would you think she couldn't afford them? Just curious. 30 tabs of Keppra is $8.09 at WalMart. ONE pack of cigarettes in Tx is $7 and she smoked.