TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #2

[BellaVita]

I am from,the US and now live in a country that does not allow guns. The social problems are incredible, but a killing is almost unheard of.

About 10 years ago, I was in London for three weeks and there were zero murders. Can you even fathom something like that in the US?

And England has plenty of social problems.

Gee, how do they do it?

France has outlawed the taser.

I have met people from all over the world. Because I seem to be an approachable person, people are always asking me what is wrong with Americans and their obsession with guns.

BBM: Guns are what makes America great. My husband's life was saved because of his concealed carry handgun. The people who attacked him were not armed with a gun. It did not end well for them.

 

[bluesneakers]

Well I didn't see anything in that video that makes her a hero!
I wouldn't want my kids to act like that hero, I also wouldn't want them to act like the Police officer neither one IMO is a hero.

Okay, so you don't think she's a hero. You didn't know her. I don't see why it matters so much to you that no one should consider her a hero though, and that someone referring to her as a hero (her pastor!) is part of what's wrong with this country.

 

[bluesneakers]

BBM: Guns are what makes America great. My husband's life was saved because of his concealed carry handgun. The people who attacked him were not armed with a gun. It did not end well for them.

Guns are what makes America great? Did you not see all the links to gun crimes katydid posted? All that violence and death is not what makes my country great.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Me too. And I am always at a loss.

Confused as to why my comment was included. :lookingitup:

 

[bluesneakers]

Confused as to why my comment was included. :lookingitup:

Sorry. I think I accidentally hit the multiquote tag.

 

[Nana]

Okay, so you don't think she's a hero. You didn't know her. I don't see why it matters so much to you that no one should consider her a hero though, and that someone referring to her as a hero (her pastor!) is part of what's wrong with this country.

Look I'm not going to tit and tat with you on is or isn't she a hero, as I said she was no hero in that video!
Now who knows if she did something heroic another date and another time, if she did someone please post a link.
Until then IMO no hero.

 

[BellaVita]

Guns are what makes America great? Did you not see all the links to gun crimes katydid posted? All that violence and death is not what makes my country great.

It was great for me and my husband. Because of his handgun, I was fortunate enough to meet him.

 

[human]

:thinking: why would you call your lawyer about an officer asking you to get out of your car?

Interesting, just a google search, and this is from an Broward Cty Public Defender office attorney:

Rights During a Police Encounter
In a police encounter these rules will help protect your civil rights and improve your chances of driving or walking away safely.
(Only exceptions are border searches and airport searches.)

2) Be Courteous & Non-Confrontational
The first thing you should say to the officer is, "Hello officer. Can you tell me why I am being stopped?" The officer may give you a hard time or say, "Why do you think I stopped you?" Tell the officer you don't know. Most importantly, do not apologize after you get stopped, because that can be considered an admission of guilt and could be used against you later in court.
Show your identification if it's requested. Be respectful and non-confrontational. Refer to the police as "Sir," "Ma'am," or "Officer." Remain calm and quiet while the officer is reviewing your documents. If the officer writes you a ticket, accept it quietly and never complain. Listen to any instruction on paying the fine or contesting the ticket, and immediately leave.
If you are pulled over in a car, the first thing you should to do is turn your car off, turn the dome light on (if it's nighttime), roll down the window, and keep your hands on the steering wheel. Don't immediately reach into your glove compartment for your license and registration. Officers want to be able to see your hands for their own safety. Wait until the officer asks to see your paperwork before retrieving your documents.

4) Determine if You Can Leave
You have the right to terminate an encounter with a police officer unless you are being detained under police custody or have been arrested. The general rule is that you don't have to answer any questions that the police ask you. This rule comes from the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which protects you against self-incrimination. If you cannot tell if you are allowed to leave, say to the officer, "I have to be on my way. Am I free to go?"
If the officer says "Yes," tell him to have a nice day, and leave immediately. If the officer's answer is ambiguous, or if he asks you another unrelated question, persist by asking "Am I being detained, or can I go now?" If the officer says "No," you are being detained, and you may be placed under arrest. If this is the case, reassert your rights as outlined above, and follow Rules #5 and #6.

5) Remain Silent and Ask for an Attorney

6) Do Not Try to Bargain

7) Do Not Physically Resist
If the police proceed to detain, search, or arrest you despite your wishes-do not physically resist. You may state clearly but non-confrontationally: "Officer, I am not resisting arrest and I do not consent to any searches." Or you may assert your rights by simply saying nothing until you can speak with an attorney.

more at link http://www.browarddefender.org/page3.html

As a person who is law abiding except for speeding and parking, I never felt the need to know what to do about the police. Do they teach this anywhere?

I do know these things about the police, however. I learned them because of numerous things I experienced and others experienced. Thirty some years ago I saw it when our car was towed during a snowstorm.

We lived in a rural area and left the car when we could drive no further. We walked home.

When hubby went to get the car, it was gone. We drove to my parents and saw the car in a gas station lot.

We took it.

Soon there are three police cars blocking every exit of the road by my parent's house.

Hubby asked what the problem was, This is a very middle class neighborhood and the city itself was white. A couple weeks previously we had seen on the news that a black man had been gunned down by LE somewhere. Unarmed.

LE told hubby that he was the problem if that was the car he was going to.

He said it was our car. They said he took it out of an impound lot illegally.

Um. It apparently was made a lot because the real one miles away was snowed in.

Not willing to admit their mistake in hostile confrontation with hubby, they took him downtown in a squad. The officers were like something out of Rambo.

I remember thinking back then if he had moved his hand wrong, they would have gunned him down.

I learned from that and watched, listened and learned,

I told hubby we needed to file a complaint.

He said if we did, we would be on every LE radar scope.

I have many many more stories including what happened to my son when he repirted trash being thrown on the street by his house.

Unbelievable . I always say I cannot imagine what it is like to be black or Native. Scary!

 

[bluesneakers]

Look I'm not going to tit and tat with you on is or isn't she a hero, as I said she was no hero in that video!
Now who knows if she did something heroic another date and another time, if she did someone please post a link.
Until then IMO no hero.

I don't want to go tit for tat either. I was trying to get you to answer a question, or to explain what you said. It doesn't matter to me whether or not you think she's a hero.

 

[bluesneakers]

As a person who is law abiding except for speeding and parking, I never felt the need to know what to do about the police. Do they teach this anywhere?

I do know these things about the police, however. I learned them because of numerous things I experienced and others experienced. Thirty some years ago I saw it when our car was towed during a snowstorm.

We lived in a rural area and left the car when we could drive no further. We walked home.

When hubby went to get the car, it was gone. We drove to my oarents and saw the car in a gas station lot.

We took it.

Soon there are three police cars blocking every exit of the road.

Hubby asked what the problem was, This is a very middle class neighborhood and the city itself was white. A couple weeks ago we had seen on the news that a black men had been gunned down by Lae somewhere. Unarmed.

They told hubby that he was the problem if that was the car he was going to.

He said it was our car. They said he took it out of sn impound lot illegally.

Um. It apoarently was made a lit because the real ine miles away was snowed in.

Not willing to admit their mistake in hostile confrontation with hubby, they took him downtown in a squad. The officers were like something out of Rambo.

I remember thinking back then if he had moved his hand wrong, they would have gunned him down.

I learned from that and watched, listened and learned,

I told hubby we needed to file a complaint.

He said if we did, we would be on every LE radar scope.

I have many many more stories including what happened to my son when he repirted trash being thrown on the street by him.

Unbelievable . I always saiy I cannot imagine what it is like to be black or Native. Scary!

Oh no. That must have been terrifying.

I have a story about what happened to my brother when he was in a parked car on our property. He took photos and got a lawyer, but then like what your husband said - he realized he would just be making himself a bigger target so he dropped it.

 

[arkansasmimi]

As a person who is law abiding except for speeding and parking, I never felt the need to know what to do about the police. Do they teach this anywhere?

I do know these things about the police, however. I learned them because of numerous things I experienced and others experienced. Thirty some years ago I saw it when our car was towed during a snowstorm.

We lived in a rural area and left the car when we could drive no further. We walked home.

When hubby went to get the car, it was gone. We drove to my oarents and saw the car in a gas station lot.

We took it.

Soon there are three police cars blocking every exit of the road.

Hubby asked what the problem was, This is a very middle class neighborhood and the city itself was white. A couple weeks ago we had seen on the news that a black men had been gunned down by Lae somewhere. Unarmed.

They told hubby that he was the problem if that was the car he was going to.

He said it was our car. They said he took it out of sn impound lot illegally.

Um. It apoarently was made a lit because the real ine miles away was snowed in.

Not willing to admit their mistake in hostile confrontation with hubby, they took him downtown in a squad. The officers were like something out of Rambo.

I remember thinking back then if he had moved his hand wrong, they would have gunned him down.

I learned from that and watched, listened and learned,

I told hubby we needed to file a complaint.

He said if we did, we would be on every LE radar scope.

I have many many more stories including what happened to my son when he repirted trash being thrown on the street by him.

Unbelievable . I always saiy I cannot imagine what it is like to be black or Native. Scary!

That's AWFUL! I have had maybe 2 speeding tickets in my whole 50+ yrs of living. Driving since 18. Only encounters was because of someone else problems or family/friends being in the field. My point of posting that from the Public Defenders office in Broward County which is in FL, is what I posted. Someone else was asking about SB calling her attorney from the car, and asked if she can call her attorney and stay on the car.... Don't think it works like that. I see couple things from that list she didn't do. But we dont know how this would have played out in court which she was apparently going to. JMHO

 

[pepelepolecat]

Oh, OK> She can say in her experience, 99% of ALL cops are horrible. But I cannot say that I just sat and helped 32 of them plan a Make a Wish party for some kids with leukemia, because that is irrelevant?

And actually, she said that 99% of ALL cops are horrible humans. Not just the ones that have made her acquaintance.


ETA:

the original quote:



For the one millionth time, being rude is not illegal in this country. If it was, 99% of all LEOs would be in prison.

Rude ≠ horrible. imo.

 

[human]

This msm headline is part if the problem in our country today!
She is labeled a hero and we have "public servants" attending her funeral, however our "public servants" including THE top "public servant" also known as commander in chief couldn't be bothered to pay respects to our military in Chattanooga!

I think he would be spending everyday at funerals. Which military person does he choose and which one does he ignore?

 

[arkansasmimi]

If Bland had been able to pay her bail on the spot, she would have been released immediately following her arraignment, which took place on Saturday, July 11, the day after she was pulled over on a traffic violation and detained for allegedly assaulting a police officer. A representative for the Waller County Sheriff’s Office told me they could have processed Bland’s bail at any time Saturday or Sunday.

DONT BREAK THE LAW geesh its to make sure you show up for court. Why do you think there is a NEED for Bail Bondsman???

In practice, the bail system is particularly hard on poor people, who frequently get stuck behind bars because they can’t afford to post bond, while those with greater means pay their bail and go home. According to one study, five out of six people in jail are there because they could not afford to pay their bail.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...that_kept_her_in_prison_unconstitutional.html

 

[pepelepolecat]

They often shoot 10 - 20 people in one weekend? Do you have any links? I haven't heard this number before.

Shootings do not necessarily mean murders. I live a few minutes from East St. Louis and a bit further from St. Louis, and shootings are incredibly common. Murders are a bit less common. Most people who get shot aren't killed, though, ime. And I'd say 10 - 20 is pretty close to accurate here, but not all or even most of the victims die. (Although maybe we Midwesterners are poorer shots than people in other parts of the country). Most VoVs get patched up and sent on their merry ways or arrested if it's determined that they were involved in nefarious activities.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yet, you use that as an excuse for him and other LEOs to abuse their power, and at the same time totally ignore the cops rudeness. "I'm going to light you up" is a threat of bodily harm. I never heard her make any threats to him.

I never said anything like that at all. In fact I've said that the officer should not have removed Sandra from the car. He acted inappropriatly.

You need to read my posts before accusing me of something like that.

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is about a deceased person named Sandra Bland and an officer named Brian Encina.

Please do NOT derail it with generalized discussion about racism or gun control. Stick to discussion of this case specifically and post accordingly.

:tyou:

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I would perhaps add a thirst for knowledge point because he asked her where she was going and how long she's been in Texas.

That is common training on ANY traffic stop. 2 consistent and common questions. Not required, but COMMON!!!

ETA: My very first traffic stop on the side of a highway, my field training officer had to remind me (while we were waiting for the DL info to come back from dispatch), to ask the male where he was going to. I felt stupid asking, honestly. LOL. That's one thing that I remember many years later...I forgot to ask where the guy was driving to.

Re how long in Texas? In addition to just trying to understand the situation (gathering info), each state has a LAW about how long you have once you've moved to a state, to change your DL. In some, I believe it's 21 days...others, 30 days, etc. So, if she said she moved here 2 months ago, it could have been another charge. Just FYI as to one reason it's commonly asked.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

DONT BREAK THE LAW geesh its to make sure you show up for court. Why do you think there is a NEED for Bail Bondsman???

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...that_kept_her_in_prison_unconstitutional.html

Interesting article. I wonder if Sandra was released without having to pay bail would she have come back to court?

She seemed to have a problem taking care of the of the fines that she had.

And NBC5 Investigates has found that – at the time of her death last Friday -- she still owed a total of $7,579.00 in court fines resulting from five traffic stops in various Chicago suburbs (including a DUI), and she had been cited several times for her failure to pay those fines.

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investiga...ters-With-Police-316025661.html#ixzz3h1P2CCEW
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[pepelepolecat]

Interesting article. I wonder if Sandra was released without having to pay bail would she have come back to court?

She seemed to have a problem taking care of the of the fines that she had.

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investiga...ters-With-Police-316025661.html#ixzz3h1P2CCEW
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How do communities usually enforce the payment of traffic fines?

(This is a genuine question. I don't know.)