TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #2

[Deleted member 39678]

From what I could see and that was mainly him,he was the one grabbing at her.
Here she has this male stranger barking at her and tussling with her for a traffic incident.
This guy started out friendly and then went to frosty and then outright anger in a matter of seconds.That is scary.
I agree with fighting in court but I think she was scared and didn't know what to do or think.She just reacted and her instinct was to try and protect herself. IMO

She should not have fought him. It doesn't matter if she was in the right or wrong.

Sandra would never win that fight. She certainly could have won in court. That's where she should have concentrated her energies on. JMO

 

[RR0004]

Bottom line here...a young woman is dead. All that fire and fury, and she takes her own life?

 

[EllieBee]

She should not have fought him. It doesn't matter if she was in the right or wrong.

Sandra would never win that fight. She certainly could have won in court. That's where she should have concentrated her energies on. JMO

So, accept your violation without protest, then address it later in court.

Interesting.

Any psychologists want to weigh in here?

 

[human]

She should not have fought him. It doesn't matter if she was in the right or wrong.

Sandra would never win that fight. She certainly could have won in court. That's where she should have concentrated her energies on. JMO

You need money to go to court. What would she have won?

 

[ninij9]

I apologize. I read your initial post and thought it a history to be pitied.

Please accept my apology for misunderstanding your post. Often, type is easy to misconstrue because we cannot hear vocal cues nor see expressive cues.

I hope I didn't upset you. Cheers, friend!

Not upset. I was just asked for my perception of the situation so I gave my Italian/irish Roman catholic from New Yawk spin on my perception of Law Enforcement encounters. We treated them like a cross between our priest, a principal the pope. Mad respect. A squad car cruised by and half the neighborhood froze in their tracks like in a sci Fi movie. But it was all good. Morals, respect, accountability...


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[Deleted member 39678]

So, accept your violation without protest, then address it later in court.

Interesting.

Any psychologists want to weigh in here?

What's wrong with that? It's a way where you get to win instead of losing.

I hope your not saying I need a psychologists help. LOL

 

[margarita25]

(Sorry for o/t, can somebody please point me in the direction of the thread about the guy that mysteriously suffered a severed spine while in police custody? I am just reminded of this, and would like to see what the outcome of that investigation was. Tia.)

 

[margarita25]

You need money to go to court. What would she have won?

More than likely a judge will rule in favor of LE in these types of situations, jmo.

 

[Forager]

In Iraq, I raided insurgents. In Virginia, the police raided me.
By Alex Horton July 24, Washington Post, 7/24/15
Alex Horton is a member of the Defense Council at the Truman National Security Project. He served as an infantryman in Iraq with the Army’s 3rd Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division.

"The culture that encourages police officers to engage their weapons before gathering information promotes the mind-set that nothing, including citizen safety, is more important than officers’ personal security. That approach has caused public trust in law enforcement to deteriorate... ."

"And when you threaten to Taser a woman during a routine traffic stop (as happened to 28-year-old Sandra Bland, who died in a Texas jail this month), you cultivate a fear of police. This makes policing more dangerous for everyone."

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Imo, the scenario should have gone like this.

After asking why Sandra was irritated (he didn't need to but maybe, that's his way), after Sandra's answer, he should have replied, 'if you have a problem with the issuing of this ticket, write a letter of complaint to .........., have a nice day'. Walk away.

 

[kimlynn]

Bottom line here...a young woman is dead. All that fire and fury, and she takes her own life?

She did seem very vibrant. Such a sad thing to have happened. IMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

You need money to go to court. What would she have won?

Actually from the beginning of this case I felt that Sandra would not be charged by the DA and the case would have been dismissed.

I think that she could have gotten an attorney to take a civil case on a contingency basis. I'm not sure how much money she would have cleared but it could have been substantial. JMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

See, I'm really ignorant on this. Would you need to know how to tie a slipknot to commit suicide by hanging?
I wouldn't know how to do either one.

We have no idea if SB researched how to commit suicide, but I wouldn't be surprised if she did. She cut herself, on the autopsy diagram the cuts look to be on her wrist area, and she said she took pills trying to commit suicide. JMHO

 

[EllieBee]

Not upset. I was just asked for my perception of the situation so I gave my Italian/irish Roman catholic from New Yawk spin on my perception of Law Enforcement encounters. We treated them like a cross between our priest, a principal the pope. Mad respect. A squad car cruised by and half the neighborhood froze in their tracks like in a sci Fi movie. But it was all good. Morals, respect, accountability...


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Lol, my first hubs was Italian/American second gen, born and raised in NYC. He was ALWAYS warning me about being too trusting and would not even leave a key under our mat for visiting relatives, who were arriving just before we got home from work (HIS people, BTW, not mibe) but would make them wait until we got off work to let them in.

It embarassed me like crazy, but I tried to understand his perspective. Eventually his paranoia proved to be too much and we had to split up.

He just grew up mistrusting police, doctors, garbage men, his sister, his parents. pretty much EVERYONE. Exhausting.

 

[human]

Actually from the beginning of this case I felt that Sandra would not be charged by the DA and the case would have been dismissed.

I think that she could have gotten an attorney to take a civil case on a contingency basis. I'm not sure how much money she would have cleared but it could have been substantial. JMO

Do you think so? Is this a contingency kind of case?

Her situation would have only been wrongfully jailed. Is that a biggie in terms of money?

 

[EllieBee]

What's wrong with that? It's a way where you get to win instead of losing.

I hope your not saying I need a psychologists help. LOL

I think the "lay back and just let it happen, because it is GONNA happen" mindset is now considered to be abusive and the victims of such abuse surely are entitled to psych counseling. I know in the 70's, it was very acceptable to say people "had it coming".

This is 2015.

 

[arkansasmimi]

That's what I'm thinking. Maybe they were tired of the ticket parade. And how is LE supposed to know that she is mentally unstable yet her family says she'd NEVER kill herself? But LE is supposed to figure out her mental state more accurately than family.

Well, to be honest, going by the paper work, they should have at least had a supervisor look over or something. I do question that. But I believe more what SB said (that she had prev tried suicide and that she had depression and PTSD~ as her own video said) more than the family. JMHO, I dont think for whatever reason, they knew some things about her. Could be due she had diff lifestyle than they agreed with? JMHO

 

[EllieBee]

(Sorry for o/t, can somebody please point me in the direction of the thread about the guy that mysteriously suffered a severed spine while in police custody? I am just reminded of this, and would like to see what the outcome of that investigation was. Tia.)

Freddy Gray. And sorry, I don't have a link. And it may be Freddie. I have really bad issues remembering the spelling of names and autocorrect does not help, lol.

 

[kimlynn]

I guess we all do hear things differently. I did not hear playfulness or light amusement when she said 'she was waiting on him...etc...'.... I thought that was passive./aggressive rudeness, not playfulness. And I think if he thought she was being lighthearted and playful, then he would have had a different reaction too. Maybe it is her social media and her very negative views of 'the devil' , meaning LEOS, which prevents me from believing she was being playful and amused at that moment.

I think what set him off (and I've posted this thought before) is when she answered as to why she was irritated. He didn't like being called out for speeding up and tailing her.
As for asking if she was okay...he asked the previous driver something along the same line. Might be a habit of his. IMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

From what I could see and that was mainly him,he was the one grabbing at her.
Here she has this male stranger barking at her and tussling with her for a traffic incident.
This guy started out friendly and then went to frosty and then outright anger in a matter of seconds.That is scary.
I agree with fighting in court but I think she was scared and didn't know what to do or think.She just reacted and her instinct was to try and protect herself. IMO

BBM for focus. I agree. I think most of us would have obeyed our gut animal instinct for survival in the face of a perceived threat, rather than obeying the rational part of our brain that might have been advising to resist now and fight it out in court later.