TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #3

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Then I'll say it:

It's disgusting when someone gets a smug attitude about a suicide victim, as if he or she can judge what someone's experience was and what kind of pain that person was in at the moment he or she chose to end his or her own life. It's shameful, disrespectful, and shows a real ignorance of grief, mental illness and suicide. JMO.

Suicide victims are referred to as suicide victims for a reason.

FWIW

This small town jail seems to have had very poor administration and an undertrained staff who did not follow proper procedures.

According to Ron McAndrew, prison consultant and former warden, “Any suicide in any place of incarceration in the year 2015 that is not witnessed by another party, captured on video, or where the video is found to be missing or malfunctioning, is suspicious.”

He explains why.
“In almost every case of an alleged suicide, the main investigator that is appointed by the institution will gather evidence at the scene, take photos, and start to lay out what they think happened,” he said. “The vast majority of the time, that investigator witnesses the autopsy, where they will share information, and their point of view on the case.”

Sometimes, he said, “it can affect the outcome [of the medical examiner’s cause of death report].”

The federal data suggests that statistically, Bland’s case had a relatively high probability to end in suicide. Suicide is the most common cause of an unnatural death for incarcerated women, the data shows. Other factors matching the case, like the fact that it was her first offense, that she had yet to go to trial, and that her death occurred within the first week of incarceration, are also leading contributing factors of inmate suicides, according to the data.

Following Bland’s death, the Waller County Jail has already been cited by the Texas Commission on Jail Standards for violations of minimum jail standards, reported KHOU.com....Additionally, state agencies have already stated that standard procedures were not followed during her arrest, video of which was released to the public yesterday. The Texas Department of Public Safety said that the officer who pulled her over violated the agency’s “procedures regarding traffic stops and the department’s courtesy policy.”
http://fusion.net/story/171480/sandra-bland-and-the-problem-with-jailhouse-suicides/
 
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Can anyone find online at the Waller County web site instructions on how to post bail. I'm not finding it online.
 
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Yes, I agree the conflicting information raises questions and the jailers may very well bare some sort of liability. Maybe I am nkt explaining my question well. In the court of law how will the outcome of a wrongful death lawsuit be affected by the family saying, in so many words, the jailers were responsible for not being aware she was depressed and suicidal when, until today, the family made it quite clear there was no possible way Sandra could have taken her own life. How can the jailors be expected to notice something in some they had met about 36 hours earlier, when tne family had. Been arou d her for so much longer but swore up abd down it wasn't possible? I'm just curious about the legal aspevt of it.

In short, I don't think that the jail folks are responsible to know she was suicidal.

Their responsibility is to follow their protocols. Which they did not do.

So they would be stuck arguing that they have these rules to minimize the possibility someone will kill themselves. Rules they don't follow. But they are sure the fact they dont follow them was in no way linked to a suicide that took place....

Not an argument I would care to try to make.



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In short, I don't think that the jail folks are responsible to know she was suicidal.

rsbm --

Actually, they are. They have protocols for evaluating suicide risk patients, and authorities have already determined that they did not follow them.
 
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rsbm --

Actually, they are. They have protocols for evaluating suicide risk patients, and authorities have already determined that they did not follow them.
I'm going to have disagree. if it was possible to tell if someone was going to suicide, well, there would be far fewer people killing themselves.

The jail is supposed to assess people coming into custody, determine if there are signs of elevated risk, and act accordingly. They aren't doing that. Hell, if the woman in the adjacent cell is correct when she said SB never stopped crying, that's a sign of something bad brewing even w/o knowing her history.

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Can anyone find online at the Waller County web site instructions on how to post bail. I'm not finding it online.

I'm not surprised.....JMO
 
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I'm going to have disagree. if it was possible to tell if someone was going to suicide, well, there would be far fewer people killing themselves.

The jail is supposed to assess people coming into custody, determine if there are signs of elevated risk, and act accordingly. They aren't doing that. Hell, if the woman in the adjacent cell is correct when she said SB never stopped crying, that's a sign of something bad brewing even w/o knowing her history.

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??? Sounds like you agree with Montjoy. Am I missing something? JMO....."RISK" being the operative word.
 
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I'm not surprised.....JMO
Should be the first thing you see. With a PayPal link....

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??? Sounds like you agree with Montjoy. Am I missing something? JMO....."RISK" being the operative word.
I could be wrong, I think Montjoy is saying you can stop anyone in jail from killing themselves.

I say people are far too devious for that, and the best you can do is make it a lot harder for them. Subtle difference, I guess.

They do it entirely different down there in Waller Co, I guess. [emoji55]

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Should be the first thing you see. With a PayPal link....

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Thanks but I think that was Cubby's question. However, no sense in looking at PayPal, if you have no idea what the bail amount is. JMO eta I really think that there was a sporadic ability for SB to communicate at both ends. My personal opinion is that she felt hopelessly abandoned, which was not the case. But that hopelessness, after such an optimistic outlook about moving on in her 28 yr old life, caused her to take her life. I am so sorry. People who have not been diagnosed as clinically depressed, (as I have) truly cannot understand how a person can be optimistic one day and absolutely devastated and hopeless within hours, not days. JMO
 
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Can anyone find online at the Waller County web site instructions on how to post bail. I'm not finding it online.

This is all I found by googling, but it's not on the county website.
http://bailbondsnetwork.com/waller-tx.html

In contrast, I looked up my own county jail in Oregon and there are detailed instructions. Other county websites I looked at vary.
 
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Yes, I agree the conflicting information raises questions and the jailers may very well bare some sort of liability. Maybe I am nkt explaining my question well. In the court of law how will the outcome of a wrongful death lawsuit be affected by the family saying, in so many words, the jailers were responsible for not being aware she was depressed and suicidal when, until today, the family made it quite clear there was no possible way Sandra could have taken her own life. How can the jailors be expected to notice something in some they had met about 36 hours earlier, when tne family had. Been arou d her for so much longer but swore up abd down it wasn't possible? I'm just curious about the legal aspevt of it.

There gonna IMO have some problems with the suicide attempt reported at intake, and the lady next cell who heard her weeping for three days. Duty to protect, in thier custudy - and IMO, the family will win- they obviously dropped the ball, we used take off there belts shoe laces they are not allowed to have cologne etc etc


they got some big problems......................
 
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FWIW

This small town jail seems to have had very poor administration and an undertrained staff who did not follow proper procedures.

According to Ron McAndrew, prison consultant and former warden, “Any suicide in any place of incarceration in the year 2015 that is not witnessed by another party, captured on video, or where the video is found to be missing or malfunctioning, is suspicious.”
xplains why.
http://fusion.net/story/171480/sandra-bland-and-the-problem-with-jailhouse-suicides/


Have you seen the raw interview with the girl who was in the next cell? Its awful she weeped for days -- Ill see if i can find it -
 
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Thanks but I think that was Cubby's question. However, no sense in looking at PayPal, if you have no idea what the bail amount is. JMO eta I really think that there was a sporadic ability for SB to communicate at both ends. My personal opinion is that she felt hopelessly abandoned, which was not the case. But that hopelessness, after such an optimistic outlook about moving on in her 28 yr old life, caused her to take her life. I am so sorry. People who have not been diagnosed as clinically depressed, (as I have) truly cannot understand how a person can be optimistic one day and absolutely devastated and hopeless within hours, not days. JMO

I too suffer with clinical depression. The best way to describe it, for those who have not experienced the clinical flaovor of the malady- its like being in bed, and you know the things at the car wash, that dry your car, its like you have 8 of em over your bed - you just cant get out of bed. And you cant come up with a "reason" (broken leg) why. You bargain with yourself , 10 minutes, 10 minutes and before you know 4 hours are gone and you still have not got out. I take my meds and its been better byt there were a couple of years there after I retired, that WOW! Anyone who does not suffer with the clinical version of it (neurotranmiitters) cant comprehend what the experince is
 
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Thanks but I think that was Cubby's question. However, no sense in looking at PayPal, if you have no idea what the bail amount is. JMO eta I really think that there was a sporadic ability for SB to communicate at both ends. My personal opinion is that she felt hopelessly abandoned, which was not the case. But that hopelessness, after such an optimistic outlook about moving on in her 28 yr old life, caused her to take her life. I am so sorry. People who have not been diagnosed as clinically depressed, (as I have) truly cannot understand how a person can be optimistic one day and absolutely devastated and hopeless within hours, not days. JMO

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Totally- and the core of suicide is hopelessness, she knew she lost her new job, (hope), she feels like noone is coming to get her out (no hope) ,she is in adirty place ALONE, (depressing in itself) she is facing a felony, and she had been physically abused and is in pain

hopeless.............................................................
 
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Thanks but I think that was Cubby's question. However, no sense in looking at PayPal, if you have no idea what the bail amount is. JMO eta I really think that there was a sporadic ability for SB to communicate at both ends. My personal opinion is that she felt hopelessly abandoned, which was not the case. But that hopelessness, after such an optimistic outlook about moving on in her 28 yr old life, caused her to take her life. I am so sorry. People who have not been diagnosed as clinically depressed, (as I have) truly cannot understand how a person can be optimistic one day and absolutely devastated and hopeless within hours, not days. JMO


It should be simple once someone is booked to look online for both how to pay and what amount is required. They do that here in DuPage. It crossed my mind that SB mighg have suffered from some sort of bipolar with high highs and low lows.

I agrre, unless someone has been in those shoes it's hard to understand.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in court.
 
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Can anyone find online at the Waller County web site instructions on how to post bail. I'm not finding it online.

I may be totally wrong on this, but to post bail, you would contact a Bail Bondsman and pay them, not the jail. JMHO

ETA: Sandra Bland had already spoken to a Bondsman, who stated that he called her Mother. That was on Friday. The information was and still is online, with her bond amount and type. Also, Since Sandra Bland was allowed to use the desk phone, they would have had the phone number of the jail. Both her sister that she spoke with on Saturday and her friend, with whom she spoke with Friday, and left a vm, (he stated he had 2 missed calls) We dont know who else she called, or how many times she called whomever. Its not like the "old days" or whatever, all they had to do is call. They could have even called the Bondsman who allegedly called the Mother.
Not being her first time being arrested, I feel sure they knew how to bond her out. JMHO

http://odysseypa.tylerhost.net/Waller/JailingDetail.aspx?JailingID=45428
Booking #: 32038 Department of Public Safety
Facility: Booked: 07/10/2015 Released: 07/13/2015
Name BLAND, SANDRA ANNETTE Desc Black Female 6' 175 lbs
Alias BLAND, SANDRA Hair Black
SO # 026981 Eyes Brown
Address HOUSTON, TX 77077
Front View Mugshot
Right Profile Mugshot
Warrant # Charge Issuing Auth Offense Date Bond/Type Fine/Crt Costs Disposition
Warrantless/On-View ASSAULT PUBLIC SERVANT DISTRICT 07/10/2015
5,000.00
Surety Bond

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