Found Deceased TX - Savanah Soto, 18, Leon Valley, 22 December 2023 #2 *Arrests*

[Tricia]

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[Sundog]

While we know that it was a drug deal gone bad, we don't know the amount of drugs that were being bought/sold. We don't know if they had done deals before. We don't if the perpetrator has associates. We don't know how others in this world perceived MG.

When I first thought about a drug deal gone bad, I assumed small amount but that doesn't square with a murder, especially if there had been limited or no contact between these folks before. I think there is more to the story. Probably not others involved in the murders but I do think that this not a simple 50 dollar drug buy.

Agree.

I wonder if the CP, the perpetrator, was high on drugs and/or going through withdrawal and needed more drugs desperately but he had no money, and lured MG to his location with the guise of making a significantly large purchase but when MG and SS got there, it was all a ruse and CP tried to rob MG at gunpoint, with MG fighting back and then we know what happened.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

VINE link indicates that he is still in jail and so does the court record search.

https://vinelink.vineapps.com/search/persons;limit=20;offset=0;showPhotos=false;isPartialSearch=false;siteRefId=TXSWVINE;personFirstName=ramon;personLastName=preciado;stateServed=TX

Good! I guess I was reading too much into the terms of house arrest.

 

[scoutmom1]

So are we to expect that the bullet that killed SS was from MG's gun?

Ballistics should be able to determine if MG and SS were killed with the same gun, and whether it was any of the likely unregistered weapons associated with the Preciado family.

I hope LE is shutting that house down to completely inspect it for weapons and computer tracks.

Texas does not require firearms to be registered.

 

[justtrish]

Idk it looks like he has been bailed out and placed under house arrest with ankle monitor and random drug testing. He is not allowed to have any weapons.
https://search.bexar.org/Case/CaseD...amon&m=&&p=1_116056+++++++++CM++2159553100000
https://search.bexar.org/Case/CaseD...amon&m=&&p=1_116056+++++++++CM++2159553100000

By the order of these items it seems maybe the initial charge was one he could bond out on house arrest and then he was charged with another charge after that and so maybe that negates the house arrest part? I could be way off so JMO.

 

[kaen]

Agree.

I wonder if the CP, the perpetrator, was high on drugs and/or going through withdrawal and needed more drugs desperately but he had no money, and lured MG to his location with the guise of making a significantly large purchase but when MG and SS got there, it was all a ruse and CP tried to rob MG at gunpoint, with MG fighting back and then we know what happened.

Could be. But, the users I know who want/need the high/drugs are most often just wanting the drugs. Their mind is on the fix. Not saying this is the case here but If you rip off a junkie who needs the drugs, their response to the situation is more chaotic or haphazard because they are physically uncomfortable and their thinking is a bit disordered. They may rise up another time and target the person who ripped the off as well.

Luring for a robbery is definitely a possibility but I just don't think that a perpetrator would commit a capital murder unless they KNEW that the victim had tons of money with them. A dealer is not going to carry large amounts of cash to a smallish deal. A dealer is thinking that he/she is getting money not needing to have it in hand. If it was a robbery of the drugs, then they would have probably known each other because a dealer is not going to bring a large amount of drugs to a person they don't know and make themselves vulnerable in that way. If MG had people trying to rob him and he had been shot at, I doubt that he would put himself and the mother of his child in a situation with someone he did not know.

I just keep thinking that we don't know some key missing pieces.

 

[Seattle1]

Idk it looks like he has been bailed out and placed under house arrest with ankle monitor and random drug testing. He is not allowed to have any weapons.
https://search.bexar.org/Case/CaseD...amon&m=&&p=1_116056+++++++++CM++2159553100000
https://search.bexar.org/Case/CaseD...amon&m=&&p=1_116056+++++++++CM++2159553100000

Thanks for the Bexar records link @Cyber sleuth! IMO, this are the proposed conditions negotiated pre-indictment which will likely be presented in Court at his first appearance.
However, from the quoted link, please take note that RP's case status shows this as 'awaiting indictment,' and his location as "JAL" (i.e., Bexar County Adult Detention). Based on his charges, this hearing typically within 24-48 hours of arrest.

Name
RAMON PRECIADO
SID
443651
Judicial Number
2159553
Case Status Date
1/4/2024
Case Status
AWTG INDICTMENT
Court
CM
Location
JAL

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[Dhighsmith]

My

I was watching a Homicide Hunter the other day and Joe was talking about more dangerous than actual hardcore organised gang members are teenagers playing at being drug dealers or buyers. They're inexperienced, erratic, reactionary, and tend to pull out their guns and fire when actual experienced criminals would be more likely to keep their heads and know they don't need to actually shoot people to get the job done. I think, from the little we know of this case, it's in line with what Joe said. (The case he was talking about, a seventeen year old girl shot a young man over a debt he owed of no more than forty dollars, perhaps as low as twenty.)

MOO

Absolutely agree with Joe’s opinion, immaturity often connected with poor decisions. The characteristics described by Joe likely influenced his actions along with lack of respect for human life. His claims of self defense only indicates inability to accept responsibility- almost would have preferred he remained silent, total disregard for the pain and destruction of his actions. I’m curious to learn of the dynamics in his family life. Huge fan of Homicide Hunter.

JMO

 

[SMK777]

We recently had an incident in King County where the buyer and seller of an illegal weapon allegedly came together via Craig's List, and the meet up was set up for a neighborhood park ($1.5M++ residences). As agreed beforehand, the seller arrived at the park carrying the weapon inside a guitar case. Money changed hands, and the seller shot the buyer with the same weapon, and calmly walked away carrying his guitar case (and weapon hidden inside). The seller's driver-- turned witness and told police there was never any intention to sell the weapon but to rob the buyer of his cash, and sometimes the killing part is necessary. I agree there's a numbness of the actors to many of these crimes. JMO

That’s chillingly cold. A lifestyle of drugs and crime just kills off decent feelings, unfortunately.

 

[cvaldez1975]

However, we also have the last sighting of SS attributed to DPS/police as inside their KIA on 12/22 at 2 pm, at the 6000 block of Grissom Road in Leon Valley (i.e., address where their apartment located).

Did LE intentionally put out false info as investigation tactic to clear the false tips?

that, or that is what was reported to them at the time.

 

[Nell91]

I'm not sure what I was expecting but it wasn't that.. the young perp looks like he spends his time playing DnD in a basement, goes to show how off my visual perception is, jeez. Horrific. So many lives ruined, for what.

 

[Seattle1]

My

Absolutely agree with Joe’s opinion, immaturity often connected with poor decisions. The characteristics described by Joe likely influenced his actions along with lack of respect for human life. His claims of self defense only indicates inability to accept responsibility- almost would have preferred he remained silent, total disregard for the pain and destruction of his actions. I’m curious to learn of the dynamics in his family life. Huge fan of Homicide Hunter.

JMO

I also agree. IMO, I think the self-defense story is also what CP told to his father.

We know of at least one local case (i.e., SS's brother) who was murdered recklessly over $60 that his mother offered to make good on the same day the shooter first tried to shoot the victim.

Appears to me that there's this false bravado where real, or perceived as real, "disrespect" gets you killed -- even if it means your own life is over (life in prison).

Also, I can't help but think that according to the AA, MG had been shot before. I'm sad for him that it wasn't enough to scare him straight. MOO

 

[JenaTaoson]

Apparently it is. You would have thought they would have learned their lesson when Oswald was walked through the basement of the courthouse in Dallas to the parking garage after being arrested for the JFK shooting and was shot by Ruby.

Although it didn't look like just anyone was able to enter the garage to be present for the perp walk in this case and was only open to news reporters, who must have been notified well in advance that this was going to take place.

JMO

Something many probably don't know. Ruby was almost ran over by a car while lunging at Oswald and firing his gun.

I was literally about to post the same thoughts! It reminded me so much of Oswald's walk.

 

[Seattle1]

And here's a robbery case in today's DM where the suspect is holding a gun flush with neck/throat of a victim meeting the buyer to sell an iPad! I don't doubt this could have ended in a death.

Couple selling iPad are robbed at gunpoint in parking lot

A California couple was robbed of their iPad at gunpoint in broad daylight by two unidentified teenagers in a residential neighborhood in Pomona. Officials have arrested both teens

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[KMouse]

I was watching a Homicide Hunter the other day and Joe was talking about more dangerous than actual hardcore organised gang members are teenagers playing at being drug dealers or buyers. They're inexperienced, erratic, reactionary, and tend to pull out their guns and fire when actual experienced criminals would be more likely to keep their heads and know they don't need to actually shoot people to get the job done. I think, from the little we know of this case, it's in line with what Joe said. (The case he was talking about, a seventeen year old girl shot a young man over a debt he owed of no more than forty dollars, perhaps as low as twenty.)

MOO

100% Organized gang members are more careful. They are the puppeteers of smaller less organized gangs and get them to do their dirty work for them. i.e. sell drugs, human trafficking, etc. They know their role and don't get involved in the low level stuff or impulsive shootings. Not sure where everyone here lives but were I am from it's the teenagers or young adults that are going around shooting each other.

 

[Walela]

While we know that it was a drug deal gone bad, we don't know the amount of drugs that were being bought/sold. We don't know if they had done deals before. We don't if the perpetrator has associates. We don't know how others in this world perceived MG.

When I first thought about a drug deal gone bad, I assumed small amount but that doesn't square with a murder, especially if there had been limited or no contact between these folks before. I think there is more to the story. Probably not others involved in the murders but I do think that this not a simple 50 dollar drug buy.

I agree with you that there is more to this story.
I don't believe for 1 minute this was a drug deal gone south. I know that's what is being said but it doesn't ring true to me that the drug deal was between this boy and MG. A larger dope deal gone south between someone else and MG in the recent past that this killing is payback for makes more sense. Or the sale of some fake pill laced with the deadly F that killed someone's sister, brother, son, etc. This boy is no ninja and IMO he couldn't have placed the shots so precisely in the short amount of time given. I believe there was someone else in that house when this went down. I suspect these 2 that were arrested had the assignment of lure and cleanup. IMO someone would have to have a very serious motive to take part in something like this.
MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I agree with you that there is more to this story.
I don't believe for 1 minute this was a drug deal gone south. I know that's what is being said but it doesn't ring true to me that the drug deal was between this boy and MG. A larger dope deal gone south between someone else and MG in the recent past that this killing is payback for makes more sense. Or the sale of some fake pill laced with the deadly F that killed someone's sister, brother, son, etc. This boy is no ninja and IMO he couldn't have placed the shots so precisely in the short amount of time given. I believe there was someone else in that house when this went down. I suspect these 2 that were arrested had the assignment of lure and cleanup. IMO someone would have to have a very serious motive to take part in something like this.
MOO

One of those wounds was a contact wound though, and the other would have had to have been very close to SS’ head just based on the shooter almost certainly being in the backseat. That wouldn’t have taken any special talent.

 

[KooshBall]

For those having trouble grasping this murder, I recommend watching the tv show, The First 48. Most of the cases are young people killed over weed, $20, or disrespect. It happens all the time so I don't find it shocking anymore, only sad.

 

[arielilane]

Followed the case sporadically.

According to LE: this is going on record as a drug deal, son (age 19) charged with capital murder, and his father (age 53) charged with abuse of a corpse. Further, the Father not there at the time of the homicide, however, he was called in to help later. LE is working on other charges, specifically considering charges about unborn baby.

Father and son arrested in Savanah Soto, Matthew Guerra murders​

The bodies of the pregnant teen and her boyfriend were found the day after Christmas in a medical center apartment complex. A 19-year-old was taken into custody in San Antonio and faces capital murder charges.

 

[Megnut]

Such senseless loss of life....

(Perhaps CP got in the backseat for a "private conversation" -- i.e. transaction -- but took immediate control of the situation by pushing a gun to the side of the Savanah's head, the ordering the boyfriend to do his bidding. For more control, he shoots her. The boyfriend scrambles out of the car and is overtaken and executed, dragged back to the car, sandwiched into the backseat so he -- CP -- can drive the car, meeting up with his father just minutes later, then abandoning the car altogether.)

That it all went down in minutes is sobering.

Harrowing and horrible.

JMO