Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #2

[Wendiypierce]

Or perhaps a statement pleading the public to help you find your little girl

As a mom, wouldn't you come out with a statement distancing yourself from your husband?

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[Inthedetails]

A possible scenario is that the mom was in the car looking for Sherin after she found out she was gone - maybe she got in the car to look since the dad wasn't doing anything to find Sherin.

Video would show if the car was moving like someone was looking around the neighborhood for a lost child or if it was moving like it was getting out of the neighborhood to hide a child.

Just tossing out ideas as we wait for more info. JMO

 

[Ghoulina25]

Why indeed.

(And I don't think he was looking for her at 5am, jmo.)

l don't either. He was putting her somewhere, MOO.

 

[evelezrn]

Responding to RSD..

That article was so disturbing. I had NO idea there was even a concept of "re-homing". As disturbing and eye opening as it was, I'm glad you shared the link.

 

[Ghoulina25]

A possible scenario is that the mom was in the car looking for Sherin after she found out she was gone - maybe she got in the car to look since the dad wasn't doing anything to find Sherin.

Video would show if the car was moving like someone was looking around the neighborhood for a lost child or if it was moving like it was getting out of the neighborhood to hide a child.

Just tossing out ideas as we wait for more info. JMO

Crossing my fingers that neighbors have video. l think mom might know more (moo), and he lawyer has advised her to keep quiet.

 

[evelezrn]

I totally understand, but I can see how a "rehoming" clearinghouses are formed.

I mentioned upthread that someone I know adopted a child from overseas who turned out to be VERY disturbed emotionally - in all likelihood from severe neglect while an infant and toddler in an orphanage. The American family who adopted him were actually afraid for their safely and for the safety of their bio children. I cannot overstate enough that situation was horrific and the family, as loving and strong as they are, could not handle it.

But, once he was adopted, he was their legal child. You can't give a child back, even if he was literally tearing the family apart physically and emotionally. You can't go back to the courts and "undo" the adoption. Churches, community groups, hospitals. social services offered no help for the family I know - there is no system to handle adoptions that don't work out....and there is no system that fully informs families of this in advance. It's a shock that each family has to endure and negotiate on their own.

The people I know eventually were able to "rehome" him, legally and through proper channels, to a couple who knew what they were committing to and had the time and experience to handle an extremely violent child. But what if they didn't find that couple who would take their adopted child? What could they do??

Adopting a child is such a generous thing to do - and families lovingly and eagerly go into it ready to accept whoever they get, sick or healthy....but some children from overseas might require care that a regular family simply cannot provide, especially if they are completely unaware of what harm to their development neglected children may have suffered.

Again, these cases are not just a spirited child or a depressed child or malnurished child....but severely emotionally damaged to the point of being dangerous for people untrained to handle it.

I know I'm going off on a tangent as there is no evidence (that we know of) that little Sherin suffered these severe problems, but I do want to jump in and present another side to the "rehoming" scenario. These are not just people who decided on a whim to get rid of a child they don't like....they are desperate and there is really no support net for them other than to figure it out on their own.

It's a problem that needs to be fixed.

jmo

Yes, I agree. I can see both sides.

 

[DatelineFan]

This new information about the car could have come from Dad. He could have had an "I forgot" moment and told them he was looking for her between those hours.

Except they said he's not talking anymore.

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[MissMalowe]

A possible scenario is that the mom was in the car looking for Sherin after she found out she was gone - maybe she got in the car to look since the dad wasn't doing anything to find Sherin.

Video would show if the car was moving like someone was looking around the neighborhood for a lost child or if it was moving like it was getting out of the neighborhood to hide a child.

Just tossing out ideas as we wait for more info. JMO

I'm thinking they must already have enough proof that the car was not going up and down the streets of the neighborhood from 4-5 am looking for Sherin, otherwise they wouldn't be soliciting the help of the community (up to 30 mins away) to be checking their surveillance footage from that morning.

If it was not him in the car at 4-5 am, that's even worse; that would mean he waited nearly 5 hours to call 911, and whoever drove that car until 5am waited 3 hours.

 

[YouWho]

I'm on a small cell phone, so I can't do adequate sleuthing... but Yo! Web Sleuthers, Wesley Mathews was charged with reckless driving in the past... I don't know a date, but I saw a snapshot of a court document. Can someone sleuth that?

I have found the records int he county court portal, but I'm unsure I'm allowed to post.

I watched Sgt. Perlich's press conference tonight. He wasn't willing to state (yet) that WM is a suspect.

But these court records on WM's reckless driving are publicly available are they not? So that would be allowed?

Admins?

I think a reckless driving charge on the dad Wesley Mathews speaks to his character. It speaks to his judgement and parental fitness in terms of safety (although we already know he's an unfit parent). It may even be the reason CPS was called in before.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

A possible scenario is that the mom was in the car looking for Sherin after she found out she was gone - maybe she got in the car to look since the dad wasn't doing anything to find Sherin.

Video would show if the car was moving like someone was looking around the neighborhood for a lost child or if it was moving like it was getting out of the neighborhood to hide a child.

Just tossing out ideas as we wait for more info. JMO

In all likelihood she did not give them this information, so finding out the car was out and about would raise red flags. It would have helped their case if they had claimed to be out looking for her instead of sitting at home.

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[pamelado2]

I think that tree is central somehow. He could've made up any story, the one he made up makes no sense to anyone but him.

FWIW, Adoption Disruption: [FONT=&quot]Reuters discovered, there are message boards and websites for people looking to find a new family to "re-home" their unwanted children.
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The parents who were giving up the boy told Exon that the 4-year-old's feet were too big and his ears looked funny. If parents could discard their adopted kids so callously, she reasoned, maybe she could help children find new families by moderating one of the Internet sites.


"We were just introducing people," Exon says of the online group, where parents sought new homes for unwanted children in a practice known as "private re-homing."


"The only thing we facilitated," she says, "was bringing people together." Well-intentioned as that seemed, Exon would come to regret her role in the re-homing network, a collection of Internet forums where people seeking children can find one quickly. They are able to do so without involving the government and sometimes with the help of middlemen whose activities can be naïve, reckless or illegal, a Reuters investigation has found.

The online bulletin boards have emerged as a do-it-yourself way for parents to quietly end adoptions. The groups not only attract parents but also appeal to do-gooders like Exon who delight in the chance to help find needy children better homes.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part3

However, if it were a "rehoming" situation it would have been easy to come up with a much better story. Why not just say 'the biological father found out about the adoption and wants her back'?

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[georgiajean]

Crossing my fingers that neighbors have video. l think mom might know more (moo), and he lawyer has advised her to keep quiet.

I wish he would advise her to get out of the house and go stay with a friend. I am very concerned for her safety.

 

[pamelado2]

All these little details make me think the mom isn't involved. If she is helping dad cover (even if he were helping her!) The two of them could have figured out a more plausible explanation. And timeline!!!

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[rsd1200]

I am sick reading this article. What kind of world do we really live in? Posting children like puppies online for “rehoming”? Disgusting. Seek counseling/peer groups/church, this is beyond sickening & a feast for pervs....ty for sharing this, unbelievable!

It's horrible. I wouldn't even try to re-home a pet online these days.

 

[georgiajean]

I have a few questions that have been bothering me
- Was their second child adopted around the same time as Sherin?
- Did Sherin share a room with her?
- Where did her father try to give her the milk - was it in Sherin's room or the kitchen?
- If Sherin didn't want the milk, wouldn't she have cried?
- If she was sent outside as punishment, again, shouldn't she have cried and the neighbours would have heard?
- Is there evidence of him punishing like this in the past and do they punish their other daughter the same way?

Other child is 4, and is biological. Sources said they struggled to conceive, and when they were blessed with their daughter they adopted from India.
The "milk" is a protein shake type substance.

My additional question: was the other daughter in the home? I have heard, but can't find a link, that she was out of the home andd didn't return until Monday. Would sure like confirmation on that. If the father had anything to do with having his other daughter gone that weekend, it starts to create planning IMO.

 

[Ghoulina25]

Other child is 4, and is biological. Sources said they struggled to conceive, and when they were blessed with their daughter they adopted from India.
The "milk" is a protein shake type substance.

My additional question: was the other daughter in the home? I have heard, but can't find a link, that she was out of the home andd didn't return until Monday. Would sure like confirmation on that. If the father had anything to do with having his other daughter gone that weekend, it starts to create planning IMO.

l must have missed that! Pretty convenient, imo.

 

[georgiajean]

l must have missed that! Pretty convenient, imo.

It was a comment by a journalist, but I sure can't find it. It is an important bit, but I can't verify it. So moot at this point.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

The new info about the car being gone from their home 4-5 is an interesting new quirk. If it's known to be that tight of a timeline, seems more likely that that info may have come from somewhere near the premises. Three options come to mind: a neighbor who saw the car leave and return, a neighbor's surveillance camera that captured same, OR someone living at the home who has relayed that info.

But the only neighbor who came forward at the outset of things was the brisket guy, who said he heard/saw "nothing" - though he was outside with his smoker about 4:15 that morning. It'd be a bit odd if another neighbor just now stepped up with this exact car info after all the ongoing media attention (though anything's possible).

A neighbor's security cam might have picked up that car leaving the garage and returning, but then what are the odds that that Acura would've left at precisely 4 and returned at 5? (JMO, but this sounds more like a 'timeframe' to me.) The camera would've recorded the exact time, wouldn't it? Another issue with this is that, though there are exceptions, most people who have security cameras have them pointed at the various points of entry into their homes (front, side, and back doors and windows)--which position would not typically capture cars traveling down the street (at least ours would not). In this particular neighborhood, the driveways are in the back, with access along the back alley - there was no house behind WM's house with a driveway/garage camera. And we've been told that the next door neighbor immediately south (across the side alley--the home directly in front of 'the tree') had his home surveillance looked at (yard, shed, etc.) with no luck.

So to me, this seems more like a time frame given by someone who was at the house. But JMO and a hunch. The fact that WM has also admitted to being up at 3:00 am, doing laundry at 3:15 am, also seems to indicate he suspects someone in the house might know and mention that he was up, perhaps even heard the washing machine at that time...or else why would WM throw 'laundry at 3:15' into such an already unbelievable story? I believe he had to account for those particular noises and events happening, specifically, at that time...which is why he didn't say the simpler, "We woke up, the front door was open, and she was gone."

So my guess is, either there's someone else (an elder? someone who can tell time, at least) also living at the home who witnessed that car coming and going during that timeframe...or perhaps it was the mother, who has begun to take the advice of her own lawyer and has *maybe* lately agreed to let LE know one or a few things (eg. 'I heard him up with the child, I heard the washing machine, I tried to go back to sleep, I got up to check when I heard the wash cycle finish, I couldn't find them but noticed the Acura was gone from the garage, I tried calling him, I went back to bed,' etc.). I'm leaning towards mom because she seems to have the most to gain from throwing a bone at LE (she wants her child back from CPS). But if there is a grandma or grandpa living with them, it could also have been their observation (maybe they woke up to some sounds and checked things out).


Tentative theoretical timeline (JMO theory):

4:00pm Friday - SM is picked up from school

-->At some point, though guessing after dark, she is possibly killed (though it's possibly not premeditated)

3:15am - WM runs a load of wash through the washing machine (trying to deal with evidence?)

*Someone, a witness in the house, is awake enough to hear this, so it is included, ludicrously, in WM's story

4:00-5:00am - the red Acura leaves the home and returns (*presumably driving away with Sherin).

*Someone, a witness in the house *may* have noticed this and finally relayed this to LE

8:00 - LE is called about her disappearance


Two points:

1) If Sherin is dead and he's trying to dispose of her body:

*The nearest access to the tollway is by driving 7.5 miles INTO the heart of North Dallas (a 14-15 min drive just to get to the major LBJ Fwy and DNTollway intersection), with its locales and shopping centers that have no shortage of surveillance cameras. IF the driver was trying to take her body to a remote location, JMO, I don't see the sense of traveling that route or getting on the tollway. If the driver wanted immediate access to a major fast route out of town, without cameras and toll tag photos, and with possibility of dumping or burying her in a less-populated region, he'd take Central Expressway (75) north, or (a bit further away) LBJ southeast. This is why I personally don't lean towards the theory that the tollway gave the investigators that tight timeframe for the car being gone from the house. I suppose his actions didn't necessarily have to be that well thought out. But I think they were, to a point. He had several hours to think and plan that night (we don't yet know exactly when she died if she died, but it was 12 hours from school pickup to Acura driving away at 4 am). I believe he is also quite smart, and smart enough to avoid the tollway, IMO.

2) If Sherin is alive:

In or out of town could've been a route taken, depending on who he was meeting up with (though I'd guess they'd still choose to avoid tollway and other cameras, because this would be two minds working and planning, not just one). Wild as it seems, a meet-up and quick transfer of child would fit the timeframe better than hiding a body. I have my doubts he could drive to a remote location AND dig a grave, in other words.


(PS. Sorry for the post length, have to leave shortly.)

 

[rsd1200]

I totally understand, but I can see how a "rehoming" clearinghouses are formed.

I mentioned upthread that someone I know adopted a child from overseas who turned out to be VERY disturbed emotionally - in all likelihood from severe neglect while an infant and toddler in an orphanage. The American family who adopted him were actually afraid for their safely and for the safety of their bio children. I cannot overstate enough that situation was horrific and the family, as loving and strong as they are, could not handle it.

But, once he was adopted, he was their legal child. You can't give a child back, even if he was literally tearing the family apart physically and emotionally. You can't go back to the courts and "undo" the adoption. Churches, community groups, hospitals. social services offered no help for the family I know - there is no system to handle adoptions that don't work out....and there is no system that fully informs families of this in advance. It's a shock that each family has to endure and negotiate on their own.

The people I know eventually were able to "rehome" him, legally and through proper channels, to a couple who knew what they were committing to and had the time and experience to handle an extremely violent child. But what if they didn't find that couple who would take their adopted child? What could they do??

Adopting a child is such a generous thing to do - and families lovingly and eagerly go into it ready to accept whoever they get, sick or healthy....but some children from overseas might require care that a regular family simply cannot provide, especially if they are completely unaware of what harm to their development neglected children may have suffered.

Again, these cases are not just a spirited child or a depressed child or malnurished child....but severely emotionally damaged to the point of being dangerous for people untrained to handle it.

I know I'm going off on a tangent as there is no evidence (that we know of) that little Sherin suffered these severe problems, but I do want to jump in and present another side to the "rehoming" scenario. These are not just people who decided on a whim to get rid of a child they don't like....they are desperate and there is really no support net for them other than to figure it out on their own.

It's a problem that needs to be fixed.

jmo

These boards are not the way to handle it though. As you can see, the boards, no matter how well meaning that she meant them to be, don't turn out to be good. Depending on your family structure, community, and adoption agency, different families may have different support levels. I am really hoping that he did go to one of the boards, and will fess up, and she can be found.

I do want to say that I understand the day-to-day struggles, and stress, on the entire family, of living with a child who has special needs, and behavior disorders, as well as health issues, so I'm not judging your friend, I just feel that these boards are very dangerous, but, that he may have saw them as a way out.

What Happens When an Adoption Fails
https://www.today.com/parents/it-takes-more-love-what-happens-when-adoption-fails-918076

 

[blue22]

Other child is 4, and is biological. Sources said they struggled to conceive, and when they were blessed with their daughter they adopted from India.
The "milk" is a protein shake type substance.

My additional question: was the other daughter in the home? I have heard, but can't find a link, that she was out of the home andd didn't return until Monday. Would sure like confirmation on that. If the father had anything to do with having his other daughter gone that weekend, it starts to create planning IMO.

LE confirmed to Maria Gurrero at NBC DFW that the 4 year old was in the home. She was not out of the home