Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #5 *Arrest*

[Margo/Mom]

Thanks for this insightful post.

i would think she would be thinking about the what-ifs that could happen by not helping LE to get to the truth? Like...what if he gets by with a lighter sentence and what if he does this to our biological child?

I don't think that is a part of the ego-protective process.

Most of us have a difficult time with the notion that a father could kill a child and then stuff her body in a culvert. And we are watching from afar. Even so, many of us are dealing with that difficulty by separating him from what we know of human interaction--he was simply a monster, inhuman, and by declaring how WE could never have responded as SM is responding.

SM's current reality is that the man she trusted and married and likely climbed into bed with every night murdered their child and hid her body. First off, there is nothing she can currently do to change that reality. No amount of legal "justice" can bring her child back or ever restore her to that place of trust. I recall when someone I knew called it quits on a marriage that was moving in abusive directions and had in fact been pretty dysfunctional for awhile. She had children and was physically and emotionally overwhelmed. She also had some counseling/mentoring connections and I remember what her closest mentor advised her to do, which was to focus only on those things that were immediately necessary, which in her case were caring for the children and going to work every day. Now, there were many other things that she was going to have to face up to immediately--things like the divorce process, possible housing change, how to augment her income facing single parenthood, all that. But first she had a critical need to focus only on the daily tasks of simple survival.

There's a reason we take casseroles to people who are dealing with the death of a loved one. It's because in the freshness and shock of grief, even such simple things as making a sandwich become overwhelming and we need the cocoon of protection and care that friends and loved ones can provide.

 

[Inthedetails]

Hannah Davis with WFAA said the results from the autopsy could take up to 90 days.

Wow, that seems like a really long time. Tox reports, I'm guessing?

 

[DakotaMayi]

Wow, that seems like a really long time. Tox reports, I'm guessing?

Yes I believe so. It does seem a long time. I'm holding onto the "up to" 90 days part.

 

[MissMalowe]

One of Maria Guerrero's live-feeds, prior to the latest confession, showed the inside of the garage with one car in it. It looked like there was very little in it except the car--maybe something hanging on one way. Also clean and new (no stains on the cement floor, etc). I thought we knew (I could be wrong on this) that two of the cars were in the garage that night. I could be wrong on that, but if there were two cars in the garage it is very hard to see how there would be room for anything else to be going on there. Unless it took place IN one of the cars. There were two doors, however. One would most likely lead into the house. The other? a closet perhaps? Dunno.

BBM
Their garage did appear to have 2 doors. The other door is likely an additional "storage" area where the water heater is also likely located (homes in this area do not have basements)
*All my own opinion/speculation*

 

[kirkassoc]

I'm not really sure what the mother has or hasn't done as far as what LE need from her? Apart from her previous questionings by them? Are LE upset with her for some reason at the moment? Is there a link to that?

You are so right. Neither did anything to search for her or to plead for help in finding her. They holed up until the body was found within walking distance of their home. If I believed there was ANY chance she might have wandered off after being placed outside at 3 a.m., you wouldn't be able to keep me from searching and pleading for help in finding my child. Sometimes, it's what you don't do that's more telling that what you do do, IMHO. Thanks, Karinna and so many others for your insight and for wanting justice for this little girl. We are all on the same page regarding that, I'm sure. :loveyou:

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

It was in this article http://www.indiawest.com/news/globa...cle_6c7f67b8-b9bf-11e7-8b97-f7a059ba587d.html

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Thank you!!!

'Perlich noted that officers are investigating whether Sherin slept in the same bed as her parents – the norm in many Indian households – which would suggest that the mother knew something of what was going on in the five hours before her husband called police. He said that the police department has been consulting with experts who are providing information about Indian cultural norms."

http://www.indiawest.com/news/globa...cle_6c7f67b8-b9bf-11e7-8b97-f7a059ba587d.html

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[Karinna]

(quote)
The mother of a three-year-old Indian girl, whose body was found on Sunday from a culvert near their home in suburban Dallas, has denied any involvement in the death of her daughter.

Lawyers Michelle Nolte and Gregg Gibbs, representing Sini Mathews published a statement late Wednesday saying she denied any involvement in the death of her adoptive daughter.

In the statement, the lawyers insist that Mathews cooperated with the Richardson Police investigation into her daughter’s disappearance on October 7. She was “interrogated for hours by several officers with no attorney present” a few days later, as per the statement.
The statement adds, “Now that Mr Mathews has turned himself into the police and told them what happened to Sherin, we see no need for Mrs Mathews to endure further police interrogation. She had nothing to do with Sherin’s death or the removal of her body from the home.”

The lawyers write that Mathews is “trying to grieve for her lost daughter while still caring for her remaining daughter. She is struggling to pick up the pieces of a shattered life.”
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...-3-year-old/story-QJWhotJl2OQXGJPRcVrjcI.html

 

[Inthedetails]

There's a reason we take casseroles to people who are dealing with the death of a loved one. It's because in the freshness and shock of grief, even such simple things as making a sandwich become overwhelming and we need the cocoon of protection and care that friends and loved ones can provide.

Snipped by me.

Just wanted to shout out, YES!!! Do this. If you know someone who recently suffered a loss, bring food to them. You don't have to stay and visit or make something elaborate to impress, but something simple to eat will be sooo appreciated. When my dad passed suddenly, a cousin left a loaf of homemade bread in a bag hanging from the front door. That gesture meant so much! And as we ate it, we realized we had passed up many meals because we were caught up in grief and shock. I'll never forget her kindness in time of need - she kept us going.

Bring food.

jmopinion

 

[kirkassoc]

Any thoughts on why we have never heard that 911 call? Has it been released, and I missed it?

 

[Karinna]

Thank you!!!

'Perlich noted that officers are investigating whether Sherin slept in the same bed as her parents – the norm in many Indian households – which would suggest that the mother knew something of what was going on in the five hours before her husband called police. He said that the police department has been consulting with experts who are providing information about Indian cultural norms."

http://www.indiawest.com/news/globa...cle_6c7f67b8-b9bf-11e7-8b97-f7a059ba587d.html

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I think LE would of known by searching in the Mathews home if the two little girls had separate bedrooms to their parents.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Yes. It was the decision to put the little girl in a drainage pipe and lie about it that makes this NOT an accident, imo.

Even in a panic after an accident, one does not react to an accident by stuffing a child into a culvert blocks away from home and leave her there to rot (sorry to be harsh, but this is harsh).

If he had called out to his wife, if he had screamed out for anyone in the neighborhood to come help him, if he had called 911, if he had rushed to the hospital....then I could believe the possibility of an accident.

But instead he noticed she didn't have pulse and then got rid of her.

I'm awaiting COD before believing anything from Story #2.

jmopinion

The term "accident" covers a lot of territory. My assumption is that what happened falls somewhere beyond just choking while engaging in a normally administered cup of milk but short of an intentional act specifically intended to kill Sherin. I don't see this as a premeditated an intentional act mostly because the cover-up attempts are so poor. So something more like doing something both dangerous and shameful (which could include anything from inappropriate punishment or rage to some of the other suggestions that none of us like to think about) that was not intended to kill her, but did anyway.

 

[Inthedetails]

The term "accident" covers a lot of territory. My assumption is that what happened falls somewhere beyond just choking while engaging in a normally administered cup of milk but short of an intentional act specifically intended to kill Sherin. I don't see this as a premeditated an intentional act mostly because the cover-up attempts are so poor. So something more like doing something both dangerous and shameful (which could include anything from inappropriate punishment or rage to some of the other suggestions that none of us like to think about) that was not intended to kill her, but did anyway.

It doesn't have to be planned-out to be murder. His actions CAUSED her death - but not in an accidental way. Forcing a child to drink to the point of choking (if that's what happened) and then hiding the body is not an accident.

I don't mean to imply that he plotted to kill her in advance.

jmopinion

 

[Margo/Mom]

I read an article that I can not find again to link to.

It was an article from India stating that due to their customs, the person had trouble believing that the mom wouldn't know that Sherin and the dad were "up" because it is customary for the parents to co-sleep with the children until they are about 7.

This person stated they couldn't believe 5 hours passed without the mom's knowledge that something was amiss.

I'm not questioning the practice of co-sleeping as safe or unsafe. Obviously everyone has their own opinion.

I was NEVER allowed in my parents bed!
I brought my 9 month old into my bed due to an ear infection and being exhausted and she continued to sleep with us until she was about 5.

I didn't make the same desicion with my second child.

Can anyone weigh in on the practice if co-sleeping in the culture of Indian parents?

I get why it's done from birth. It makes nursing a newborn easier and many families in India may have limited space. Clearly space wasn't an issue and Sharin wasn't adopted as a newborn, so maybe she did sleep alone.

However, if she typically didn't sleep alone, I can understand the outrage by other Indian parents as they see it cruel to make a child sleep in another room at that age.

http://www.studyvillage.com/resources/2774-Should-kids-sleep-with-parents.aspx


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I recall reading that also--perhaps in the Indian newspaper. It said that LE was bringing in an expert in Indian culture to explore the co-sleeping issue, presumably to build a case that Mom had to have been awakened when Sherin got up.

Looks like kind of a rabbit hole to me. First, India is a place of many cultures, but families anywhere are also highly individualized. As are children. As you point out, sometimes one kid will wind up routinely in their parent's bed, growing out of some incident (or simple exhaustion on the parents part) but siblings do not. Some families believe in co-sleeping arrangements and others just drift into it. But further, many of us learn to sleep through a number of things that are a part of our normalcy--such as a kid getting up and being cared for by the other parent.

 

[perfectingpink]

Sherin's story is on Crime Watch Daily right now. Nothing new so far.

 

[Scarlett12]

That would entail protecting a child murderer so that child murderer could raise your remaining child while you sat innocent in jail.

I have a hard time believing that would be expected in any culture.

jmopinion

What if there was no innocent party?

What if someone decided to be the fall guy so one could go free instead of two arrests?

What if what really happened is a thousand times worse than what was admitted ?

Hypothetically... but there would be instances where someone would take fall.


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[Margo/Mom]

But one would expect a mother to assist in making an investigation easier and more likely to result in a conviction if her child is murdered and she is innocent.

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You seem to be overlooking the hours of questioning previous to this, and her assistance at the house when it was being searched. Made sense to me when I learned yesterday that she had done so that they were able to locate such things as marriage license, adoption papers, etc. Earlier we had speculated that they were somehow in plain view.

An important feature of our legal system is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Important because innocence cannot be proven. This is why trial outcomes are worded as findings of guilty or not guilty, rather than guilt of innocence.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But one would expect a mother to assist in making an investigation easier and more likely to result in a conviction if her child is murdered and she is innocent.

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Yes, that is the detail that doesn't make sense to me (she says she is innocent.) I cant recall another parent who professed to be innocent refusing to be interviewed by LE.

If she has nothing to hide then there would be nothing LE could find on her if she spoke with them. I honestly cant understand why she says, through her lawyer, she will no longer be speaking to LE. Its very odd when the police come out almost pleading with a parent to speak with them.

Even though the internet masses had Mark Lunsford and/or his parents already guilty of killing little Jessica, he and his parents spoke with LE day in and day out for many hours at the time every time LE showed up or called them into the station for another interview. They all willingly took polygraphs too. And the same thing happened to Steve Greone yet he spoke with LE every time they wanted to interview him and readily took a poly when asked.

To me this is not what an innocent parent does. It is like so many other cases we have seen where a family member will lawyer up right after the crime has been committed and are later on arrested for being involved.

She may not think this is the perception she gives off but most innocent parents in this situation will cooperate totally and completely with LE for however long it takes to get to the truth because they want justice for what has happened to their loved one. His story has changed so of course LE would have different questions now for Sini which is understandable.

No one has to memorize the truth.........it is what it is and very easy to tell. It is lies that must be memorized, and that is why often when those who are covering up someway in LE interviews will have glaring inconsistencies.

What logical reason could she have for not wanting to talk to LE AFTER her child has been found killed, and her husband's story has changed? I dont think I can remember another case quite like this one when the mother of the murdered child will only speak through her attorney, and will no longer talk to LE. I find it bizarre. IMO

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

What if there was no innocent party?

What if someone decided to be the fall guy so one could go free instead of two arrests?

What if what really happened is a thousand times worse than what was admitted ?

Hypothetically... but there would be instances where someone would take fall.


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Oh, I suppose anything is possible. Knowing what clothes were laundered that night would be a clue.

jmopinion

 

[msphilosopher]

I'm not buying the choked on milk story. Neither did I believe that he left her in an alley at 3 AM.

I guess the COD & manner of death will tell the story.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Regarding the India news reports seemingly having more information than we've been given, it may be possible that the officer told Indian authorities more about their investigations and they passed that information on to Indian reporters. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding of what information was being given to the public about the investigations. I wonder if Maria Guerrero is aware of the Indian news article, so that she could ask Richardson PD about the validity of it.

Since India is involved and the government wants answers I am wondering if indeed they are getting more information. Possibly even through higher government agencies. India would not have the same reasons to keep the info from the media so are freer in sharing it?