TX TX - Taylor Co, WhtFem 40, UP4140, Horse Woman, Worked on Ranches, aliases, tattoo, Sep'87

[Friday Fan]

This surely has to be her. Marble Falls (Burnet Co.) is nowhere near Harris Co. or Taylor Co., so I can’t figure out the confusion there, but the rest mostly fits.

Age: 40-50 years
Race/Ethnicity: She was dark-completed with Hispanic or Asian features
Height: 5’1”
Weight: 120 lbs
Other: Wore dark-tinted glasses. Had several purses with her.

Alias First Names: Margaret, Cheryl
Alias Last Names: Vierra, Cliven, Casolte
Known to Frequent: Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio
Other: She was stopped near Blanco in a stolen vehicle from Comal County.

Sep 15, 1987, page 1 - San Angelo Standard-Times at Newspapers.com™

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Oct 06, 1987, page 17 - Austin American-Statesman at Newspapers.com™

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This one may have been identified.
I think I remember this case.

Taylor County is far away.
I don't think it's the same case.

There is also nothing about a high speed chase in the NAMUS file.
Marble Falls is still quite away from Taylor County.

The UID women in the newspaper articles was killed in Burnett County.


Here all the Female UID's in Texas from 1987. There is nothing for Burnett County. Unless they have the county wrong.

I remember this case.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[MadMcGoo]

This one may have been identified.
I think I remember this case.

Taylor County is far away.
I don't think it's the same case.

There is also nothing about a high speed chase in the NAMUS file.
Marble Falls is still quite away from Taylor County.

The UID women in the newspaper articles was killed in Burnett County.


Here all the Female UID's in Texas from 1987. There is nothing for Burnett County. Unless they have the county wrong.

I remember this case.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

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She was initially listed as being found in Harris County and later, for some inexplicable reason, that changed to Taylor County. That’s about a 350 mile discrepancy, so Burnet County doesn’t seem like a stretch IMO.

Her NamUs and Doe Network files lack a lot of details, particularly the circumstances surrounding her death. I used every keyword combination I could come up with and wasn’t able to find a resolution to the Marble Falls woman or the discovery of our horsewoman.

You very well could be right. Any idea when the Marble Falls woman may have been identified?

ETA: It is peculiar how they’re able to describe a tattoo in some detail but can’t pinpoint the place of discovery.

 

[Friday Fan]

She was initially listed as being found in Harris County and later, for some inexplicable reason, that changed to Taylor County. That’s about a 350 mile discrepancy, so Burnet County doesn’t seem like a stretch IMO.

Her NamUs and Doe Network files lack a lot of details, particularly the circumstances surrounding her death. I used every keyword combination I could come up with and wasn’t able to find a resolution to the Marble Falls woman or the discovery of our horsewoman.

You very well could be right. Any idea when the Marble Falls woman may have been identified?

ETA: It is peculiar how they’re able to describe a tattoo in some detail but can’t pinpoint the place of discovery.

I remember it being on the news.
The woman was considered to be a con-artist.

I don't know if she was ID'd, but it was in the news. Usually UID's never make the news.


This one did.

I think she had quite a history.

You would think with the notoriety, if it wasn't solved, NAMUS and/or Doe Network would get this right.

 

[Friday Fan]

UID is not here:

https://www.dps.texas.gov/mpch/Unidentified/unIndex..

I really gotta wonder about this case.....

 

[victoriarobinson642]

UID is not here:

https://www.dps.texas.gov/mpch/Unidentified/unIndex..

I really gotta wonder about this case.....

I wonder if the medical examiner just forgot to remove her case off NAMUS.

 

[Friday Fan]

So, I did something interesting with this case.
Taylor County is pretty small...

I took a weird chance and went into Family Search and looked for all the 1987 deaths in Taylor County. I did not put a name in the search box.

They have a "Jane Doe" with DOD: Sept 12, 1987.

They also list unnamed newborns (stillborns etc) as "Does".

But then I went into Bexar County to see if I could find the Doe in my profile pic.

The UIDs in Bexar County are named "Unknown".

I also looked for the UID in the Marble Falls car crash. I checked all three possible counties where the crash occurred. I see no deaths in or around Sep 13, 1987.

Did they not put this Doe in the Texas death index or did they simply not upload it to Family Search? (I don't believe there is an obligation to put it in Family Search)

I thought it was interesting.


Family Search death index is not recent. (I think it's updated every 10 years or so. I don't see my mom in there, but my grandmother who died in 2003 is in there)

Anyway, if someone died 40 years ago and were identified 10 years later, I wonder if their real name is updated in the Texas Death Index/Social Security Death Index and wonder if shows up in Family Search?


Just thought it could be a tool to determine if a long time Doe had been identified a long time ago.

The UID in the car crash, could have been taken to the county with a Medical Examiner, but I assume the closest County for a ME would be Travis and not Taylor. (I did not check Travis County for 1987 deaths)

This surely has to be her. Marble Falls (Burnet Co.) is nowhere near Harris Co. or Taylor Co., so I can’t figure out the confusion there, but the rest mostly fits.

Age: 40-50 years
Race/Ethnicity: She was dark-completed with Hispanic or Asian features
Height: 5’1”
Weight: 120 lbs
Other: Wore dark-tinted glasses. Had several purses with her.

Alias First Names: Margaret, Cheryl
Alias Last Names: Vierra, Cliven, Casolte
Known to Frequent: Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio
Other: She was stopped near Blanco in a stolen vehicle from Comal County.

Sep 15, 1987, page 1 - San Angelo Standard-Times at Newspapers.com™

View the digital scanned newspaper from San Angelo Standard-Times dated Sep 15, 1987, page 1.

www.newspapers.com

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Oct 06, 1987, page 17 - Austin American-Statesman at Newspapers.com™

View the digital scanned newspaper from Austin American-Statesman dated Oct 06, 1987, page 17.

www.newspapers.com

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[Friday Fan]

ETA: This trick may not work for long time identified Does. Emily Garcia was killed on Feb 25, 1993. She was identified in 1994. The Texas Death Index lists her as "Unknown". Her name is not in the Death Index. I also don't see her in SS Death Index. Since she was 14, she may not have had a SSN, but seeing that her mom was former military, I think it's likely, she had a number.

 

[Romulus]

Patricia Blough​

Patricia Blough – The Charley Project

Is striking resemblance!

 

[Friday Fan]

Patricia Blough​

Patricia Blough – The Charley Project

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Is striking resemblance!

She disappeared with three of her friends from the Chicago area in 1965. I highly doubt if this is her. It's speculated they were killed in Lake Michigan.

The woman in the illustration is a Hispanic woman who fled the scene in Guadalupe County. She is not the Jane Doe in question.

 

[subaw0067]

The description of the tattoo sounds like a pachuco cross, which is heavily associated with chicano culture.

 

[mst]

Heck, what kind of horse she preferred could help! There are different riding styles, training styles, influences -- could narrow things down. Did she prefer Quarter Horses or Paints or Appys? Did she rope, head or heel?

A photo or sketch would be better....

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Maybe she was something as simple as a groom.

 

[mst]

Where does the horsewoman description come from

 

[Aurora90]

they have aliases and likely have contacted people who worked with her but they haven’t made a sketch rendering?

Bumping.

 

[Aurora90]

Patricia Blough​

Patricia Blough – The Charley Project

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Is striking resemblance!

Has it been confirmed that sketch is for this Jane Doe though?

 

[Aurora90]

@MadMcGoo is that composite sketch connected to this Jane Doe?

 

[The4TierBridge]

Has it been confirmed that sketch is for this Jane Doe though?

The forensic artist who made it, Karen T. Taylor, has a professional Facebook page where she’s very active and I’m sure she could help answer your question. I’ll try to find the link to it.

 

[The4TierBridge]

Link is here; Facial Images - Karen T. Taylor

 

[Friday Fan]

I truly can’t figure out the discrepancies regarding locations. Even without the woman in the articles I found, Abilene and Houston (largest city is Harris Co.) are about 350 miles apart. The woman in the articles died about midway between the two.

I guess they could have figured out a connection between all of the above and it just wasn’t publicized. I tried searching for the tattoo or ranch work and didn’t find anything. It’s quite puzzling!

My hunch is that Harris County is a typo on the Doe website. Reporting on a crash that is between Harris and Taylor County and assigning the death the Taylor County doesn't make sense to me.

I usually don't trust the pins on the NAMUS site, but this does look like a good location for the location of body for someone who worked with horses.

32°14'43.8"N 99°48'45.0"W · 32.245500, -99.812500

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The woman who died near Marble Falls died on a US Highway. She died in either Burnet or Blanco County.
There is no indication that she worked with horses.

Why would the NAMUS contact be someone in Abilene and why is there a death certificate for "Jane Doe" for Sept 12, 1987 in Taylor County? Unless this person died in Burnet or Blanco County, but why did Taylor County issue the death certificate?

Five miles south of Marble Falls is either in Burnet or Blanco County depending on where you determine Marble Falls to be!!

Also Marble Falls has likely annexed since 1987, so it's confusing.

It currently goes to the Blanco County line, BUT, the area near the county line is rural and annexed due to the fact that Texas allows annexation of rural areas for city tax purposes and ticket writing etc on state and federal highways. Hence 5 miles south of Marble Falls could be considered at the junction of US 281 and TX 71 or about 5 miles south of the Burnet County in Blanco County!!

Map of Marble Falls. Marble Falls extends all the way to Blanco County because US 281 is annexed by the City of Marble Falls.

Map of southern Burnet County. Marble Falls ends at 281 and the county line.

Sorry, this is as confusing as heck!!! The woman who died in the crash, died in either Burnet or Blanco County. The chase started in Blanco County near Johnson City.

 

[Friday Fan]

Link is here; Facial Images - Karen T. Taylor

The sketch is for someone who died in a high speed chase between Johnson City and Marble Falls, which is about 100 miles from where this Jane Doe was found.

 

[Aurora90]

The sketch is for someone who died in a high speed chase between Johnson City and Marble Falls, which is about 100 miles from where this Jane Doe was found.


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So, not this Jane doe? Is there a Jane do associated with the location you provided? Because reading through the threads there isn’t.