TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #37

[Cannonball3804]

The other problem with rumors is that we all have the tendency to believe the ones that support our theory and ignore the ones that don't. Confirmation bias.

True. Another one would be the insinuation that BB had affairs. People who believe BB was involved in MB's murder may be more likely to believe that he cheated on her despite nothing from LE or in MSM to that effect.


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[ezrah]

The other problem with rumors is that we all have the tendency to believe the ones that support our theory and ignore the ones that don't. Confirmation bias.

I think we do that with LE statements as well. We focus on the parts that support our theory but disregard the parts where LE leaves an out. Such as ""They aren't a focus but we're NOT RULING ANYONE OUT" or "the love triangle hasn't panned out SO FAR". Those are just examples of something LE might say. So if ones theory is a stranger perp then they might say that LE said it wasn't a love triangle but they are not also taking into account that LE might still be looking at that angle and so on.

With this case and lack of any new info flowing from the investigation it really only leaves us with info coming from outside sources. If one has been around this case from the beginning one can possibly get a good feel for who comes across as credible with outside info and ones who seem less credible. As for me I'll consider outside info if I've seen something to back it up. All JMOO


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[Dollcat]

That's the one thing that sells me on the personal target motive. Someone or some ppl really want Missy disfigured by their anger. So sad.

Agree. Apparently waaaay overkill

 

[ezrah]

True. Another one would be the insinuation that BB had affairs. People who believe BB was involved in MB's murder may be more likely to believe that he cheated on her despite nothing from LE or in MSM to that effect.


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That is one rumor I have yet to see anything to back it up. Not anyone who said they saw him with x, have pics, seen posts, etc. I won't be surprised if he did/ is but personally just have never seen anything definitive. A friendship w WH and an interest in her family yes but proof of an affair no, not yet.


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[Razz]

That is one rumor I have yet to see anything to back it up. Not anyone who said they saw him with x, have pics, seen posts, etc. I won't be surprised if he did/ is but personally just have never seen anything definitive. A friendship w WH and an interest in her family yes but proof of an affair no, not yet.


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But do we truly have evidence re MB's affairs?

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[Razz]

True. Another one would be the insinuation that BB had affairs. People who believe BB was involved in MB's murder may be more likely to believe that he cheated on her despite nothing from LE or in MSM to that effect.


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I don't think that's true. IMO, there are/were red flags concerning bb that had nothing to do with affairs he may or may not have had. Quite honestly, I didn't really give that a serious thought (about an affair(s) until less than a week ago.

And even though I admit that it appeared MB had had affairs and I was on that bandwagon, I'm now beginning to question the validity of those "assertions".

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[Cannonball3804]

But do we truly have evidence re MB's affairs?

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What we do have evidence of is LE's probable cause affidavit for the CW LinkedIn. They made direct observation (not hearsay as in the KC affidavit) of intimate/flirty messages as well as MB making assignations to meet.

Assignation is LE-speak for "hook up".

What we don't know is if physical meetings actually took place. But if no physical affair, there is at least strong evidence of an emotional one and the thought of it turning physical at least.

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[Razz]

What we do have evidence of is LE's probable cause affidavit for the CW LinkedIn. They made direct observation (not hearsay as in the KC affidavit) of intimate/flirty messages as well as MB making assignations to meet.

Assignation is LE-speak for "hook up".


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I don't remember the hook-up references from LE. Only that
there was some flirty talk. Hardly proof that she was having an affair.

Also, the SW regarding KC and CW came from BB.

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[Cannonball3804]

I don't remember the hook-up references from LE. Only that
there was some flirty talk. Hardly proof that she was having an affair.

Also, the SW regarding KC and CW came from BB.

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From the probable cause affidavit attached to the SW for MB's FB account:

"In the course of our investigation we have had multiple references to the Decedent's Facebook account which listed the decedent's plans and activities for assignations with people alleged to be her lovers. Additionally we have received information from the spouse of the decedent that the decedent was having love affairs with at least one person, identified by the spouse as [CW] and our investigators have uncovered communications between the decedent and other persons through the Facebook private chat service specifically including [CW], making arrangements to meet with the decedent."

There certainly is nothing there that says they observed evidence of a physical affair. But such evidence rarely exists unless a PI takes video. They did directly witness communications that were at least making plans to meet, though we don't know if those meetings took place.

I want to make clear I'm not victim blaming here. No judgements of MB regarding this, even if she did have physical affairs. Just trying to help figure out what we know, what we don't know, what we think we know, etc.


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[Jethro4WS]

I don't remember the hook-up references from LE. Only that
there was some flirty talk. Hardly proof that she was having an affair.

Also, the SW regarding KC and CW came from BB.

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No. They already had Missy iPhone and iPad dumps prior to the LinkedIN warrant and they had already recovered some messages between them. Even if BB didn't tell them MPD already knew. Everything they said in describing the nature (flirtatious and familiar - which is LE being charitable) of those messages in the LinkedIN warrant came from reading the actual messages recovered from the phone or ipad. The warrant to LinkedIN was an attempt to retrieve any messages that Linked may still have on their servers, etc. that were not on the phone/ipad.

 

[Cannonball3804]

I don't remember the hook-up references from LE. Only that
there was some flirty talk. Hardly proof that she was having an affair.

Also, the SW regarding KC and CW came from BB.

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See my previous reply. While LE was tipped by BB regarding both men, the KC stuff remains hearsay - we only have BB's word. But the CW stuff IS backed up by LE's direct observations of flirty/intimate private messages and making plans to meet.

Definition of assignation: an appointment to meet someone in secret, typically one made by lovers.

So these weren't plans to meet for fitness training or to sell product. LE deliberately chose assignation to indicate there were plans to hook up.



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[R@ngers#1]

From the probable cause affidavit attached to the SW for MB's FB account:

"In the course of our investigation we have had multiple references to the Decedent's Facebook account which listed the decedent's plans and activities for assignations with people alleged to be her lovers. Additionally we have received information from the spouse of the decedent that the decedent was having love affairs with at least one person, identified by the spouse as [CW] and our investigators have uncovered communications between the decedent and other persons through the Facebook private chat service specifically including [CW], making arrangements to meet with the decedent."

There certainly is nothing there that says they observed evidence of a physical affair. But such evidence rarely exists unless a PI takes video. They did directly witness communications that were at least making plans to meet, though we don't know if those meetings took place.

I want to make clear I'm not victim blaming here. No judgements of MB regarding this, even if she did have physical affairs. Just trying to help figure out what we know, what we don't know, what we think we know, etc.


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CW has always been at the top of my list. Before he shut down his facebook page there were pics of his wife on there and wow she was extremely attractive. He had a lot to lose if this affair came out. Mix in the fact that he was a MMA fighter and very familiar with violence because of that. Just my opinion.

 

[ezrah]

CW has always been at the top of my list. Before he shut down his facebook page there were pics of his wife on there and wow she was extremely attractive. He had a lot to lose if this affair came out. Mix in the fact that he was a MMA fighter and very familiar with violence because of that. Just my opinion.

I recently took a relook at CW mostly because I really hadn't before. His FB is back up. Pics with his wife etc. Also noticed he is ex military. I watched a video of his MMA fight on YouTube. He is sitting on a guys chest and literally beating him in the face over and over w his fists. I had to stop watching. The next video under that was entitled "CW breaks guys arm" I didn't watch that one! Sure seems like he's someone who can turn extreme violence on and off like a light switch IMO It left me wondering if the perp is not him was perp trying to appear to be him? He's not my POI at this time but he's on the list.


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[Amateurpi1]

CW has always been at the top of my list. Before he shut down his facebook page there were pics of his wife on there and wow she was extremely attractive. He had a lot to lose if this affair came out. Mix in the fact that he was a MMA fighter and very familiar with violence because of that. Just my opinion.

CW is high on my list, too. IMO SP’s shin guards look like some of the shin guards that some that MMA fighters wear. Some of the guards have a covering for the top of the foot (perhaps if shoes or boots were worn over those types of guards w/ foot covering, it could create a “weird walk&#8221. If you look at CW’s Linkedin page and his military experience, breaking into this church and pulling this type of crime off would be easy for him. He was in charge of planning raids with dozens of soldiers in Iraq. Not that these facts alone mean he is SP. But if for some reason he was super-angry and/or felt threatened, he definitely has the skills to seamlessly plan and carry out something like this.

 

[Razz]

See my previous reply. While LE was tipped by BB regarding both men, the KC stuff remains hearsay - we only have BB's word. But the CW stuff IS backed up by LE's direct observations of flirty/intimate private messages and making plans to meet.

Definition of assignation: an appointment to meet someone in secret, typically one made by lovers.

So these weren't plans to meet for fitness training or to sell product. LE deliberately chose assignation to indicate there were plans to hook up.



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Okay Cannonball. Sometimes replies don't come up until I refresh the page or until I leave the site and come back.

I don't know about Missy and her alleged affairs or any other nefarious things. But since she's
not here to defend herself, I will.

I recall that there were some strange messages on her Linked-in that she received before her murder and she mentioned it to a friend. This is where the connection comes in from BB re the Eagles guy and his wife who it was later determined shot herself by accident. But, and you discovered this, she too had received eerie messages on her Linked-in before her death as well. That's where the similarity begins and ends with that reference.

I think we all want to find the perp (s) that did this. Insinuations are easy and understandable because there has to be a reason why someone murdered her the way they did and we need to know why.
I think it's easy to get stuck on a theory and stay there.

I was on the AT and CT did it bandwagon for awhile because of what was said with no real facts to back it up.

So, I don't know a lot about WH or why she is on the SW. But, it concerns me that there was communication between her and BB (while very innocuous)while he was at the airport via FB. A big deal? I don't know. Which is why I want to know who BB communicated with once he made
it to Mississippi.

The screenshot at the airport was only a small section of people responding on bb's fb. I wonder if MB responded. After all, this is her husband and he's leaving on a trip via airplane in nasty weather. I probably wouldn't be happy that another woman (even though innocuous and even though a friend of bb's) was responding. In fact, I'd probably be livid. But that's me.

In one of his early interviews, he reported that he called MB at 7pm and then again at 9pm while in Mississippi. I had thought it was more around midnight but according to one of his interviews it wasn't.

There are more things to explore here other than CW, MB, and KC.


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[ezrah]

Okay Cannonball. Sometimes replies don't come up until I refresh the page or until I leave the site and come back.

I don't know about Missy and her alleged affairs or any other nefarious things. But since she's
not here to defend herself, I will.

I recall that there were some strange messages on her Linked-in that she received before her murder and she mentioned it to a friend. This is where the connection comes in from BB re the Eagles guy and his wife who it was later determined shot herself by accident. But, and you discovered this, she too had received eerie messages on her Linked-in before her death as well. That's where the similarity begins and ends with that reference.

I think we all want to find the perp (s) that did this. Insinuations are easy and understandable because there has to be a reason why someone murdered her the way they did and we need to know why.
I think it's easy to get stuck on a theory and stay there.

I was on the AT and CT did it bandwagon for awhile because of what was said with no real facts to back it up.

So, I don't know a lot about WH or why she is on the SW. But, it concerns me that there was communication between her and BB (while very innocuous)while he was at the airport via FB. A big deal? I don't know. Which is why I want to know who BB communicated with once he made
it to Mississippi.

The screenshot at the airport was only a small section of people responding on bb's fb. I wonder if MB responded. After all, this is her husband and he's leaving on a trip via airplane in nasty weather. I probably wouldn't be happy that another woman (even though innocuous and even though a friend of bb's) was responding. In fact, I'd probably be livid. But that's me.

In one of his early interviews, he reported that he called MB at 7pm and then again at 9pm while in Mississippi. I had thought it was more around midnight but according to one of his interviews it wasn't.

There are more things to explore here other than CW, MB, and KC.


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Razz, I was looking closer at WH comment on the 4/17 . I think the time stamp on it is after 7pm and according to the timeline he had arrived in MS. I also think her comment is Hope you made ( not make) it. I do not have any ss after the 17 th. Maybe someone else does. JMOO


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[al66pine]

A burglar would not have specifically targeted Miss's chest (in addition to her head). That is a very unnatural area to target (it's the most easily defended - if she was in a condition to defend) and makes not sense - if she was not in a position to defend.

I've ruled out burglar and significantly lowered the possibility of a male attacker based on that information. If it was someone that wanted her gone for access to BB, they would just have just delivered a fatal blow to the head. Not to mention his recent prolonged illness. I just think the odds are against that angle....

^sbm bbm^ Agreeing both above bbm's are possibilities, even probabilities, may be true. But do we know -

-- if SP actually "specifically targeted" her chest and head? Maybe SP (as hypo-burglar) expected to find empty bldg and had to ad-lib after seeing her or being seen by her? IDK.

- if, in fact, SP was a hypo-burglar, SP may have tried to land a fatal blow to her head, but the attempt did not work? May not have been fatal, because either SP did not use sufficient force (lack of experience/skill?) or because Missy's (hypo-) phys. resistance took SP by surprise. IDK.

From seeing movie & TV violence, sometimes we think we can correctly calculate exact result of each punch, hit, blow, elbow, kick, & body-slam in real life, with or without weapons. In movie & TV violent acts and resultant injuries are often portrayed inaccurately, sometimes very unrealistically. JM2cts.

 

[Cryptic]

Agree. This female will be the big and bad mamma that know one has dared to mess with for years.

But they may be unknown to the town if they recently moved there within the last 5 years or so. Jmo.

That is the down side- the area has seen a fair number of transplants. Then factor in that, as you pointed out, a core personality could have mellowed until the attack.

Even still, maybe interview the local bar tenders. Transplants, espescially single ones, may frequent those places. Not only do people tell bar tenders things they don't tell others, but people also "let their hair down" in bars. Thus, somebody might have noticed an underlying personality.

 

[Cryptic]

His FB is back up. Pics with his wife etc. Also noticed he is ex military. I watched a video of his MMA fight on YouTube. He is sitting on a guys chest and literally beating him in the face over and over w his fists.

Sure seems like he's someone who can turn extreme violence on and off like a light switch IMO It left me wondering if the perp is not him was perp trying to appear to be him? He's not my POI at this time but he's on the list.

I don't think an athletic male, especially an MMA competitor or a competitive boxer, was the attacker. Such people are light on their feet and move with a fluid grace even when not in the ring. Their gait resembles that of ballet performers, dancers, or gymnists.

Not only does the shooter seem to have a feminine walk, but the individual seems to be trudging underneath the weight of the swat gear and does not seem to have a natural balance in their gait. In short, the person does not seem to move like they are a former athlete of any sort, contact or non contact.

 

[ezrah]

I don't think an athletic male, especially an MMA competitor or a competitive boxer, was the attacker. Such people are light on their feet and move with a fluid grace even when not in the ring. Their gait resembles that of ballet performers, dancers, or gymnists.

Not only does the shooter seem to have a feminine walk, but the individual seems to be trudging underneath the weight of the swat gear and does not seem to have a natural balance in their gait. In short, the person does not seem to move like they are a former athlete of any sort, contact or non contact.

That's good info and will help with my list. All I really glean from the church video is total confusion. As many have pointed out perp looks feminine/masculine. I'm not positive the gait is the real gait of the perp. Perhaps an over exaggerated gait. At different parts of video perp looks dumpy, other parts slimmer/ fit. Maybe two? I do not know.


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