TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #39

[2Hope4]

Coming back full circle... how the heck did this perp arrive and leave, and not be seen???

My memory isn't always the greatest, but I thought LE said in the beginning that a camera DID catch a vehicle, which may be the perp's, but was of no use in trying to identify the vehicle. Am I wrong in my thinking??

I know most of us go about a normal route, and don't pay attention to our surroundings, but I truly wonder how the first campers got there and didn't see a perp or a vehicle leaving!

Honestly if this comes out to be a camper who may have briefly left to get out of that gear, and returned with the other campers, I'll faint. I mean it IS possible that happened! Another question I would wonder, was there ANY regular camper that typically attended that was absent that day?

And that other gym...just what was bothering Missy about that gym? Was someone she was seeing attending that gym and to save her marriage, she quit going? Or someone she broke up with at that gym? Or someone she didn't want to be around? I keep wondering about that.

 

[cujenn81]

Coming back full circle... how the heck did this perp arrive and leave, and not be seen???

I know most of us go about a normal route, and don't pay attention to our surroundings, but I truly wonder how the first campers got there and didn't see a perp or a vehicle leaving!

Honestly if this comes out to be a camper who may have briefly left to get out of that gear, and returned with the other campers, I'll faint. I mean it IS possible that happened! Another question I would wonder, was there ANY regular camper that typically attended that was absent that day?

SBM for focus...

I've kept this theory in the back of my brain since this crime happened. I know it's not a popular theory here, but it's one of only a few that seem plausible to me. I just can't figure out how SP could have fled the scene fast enough without being seen on camera or by an arriving camper. IIRC, one camper got there rather early, and shortly after MB did, but waited in the car until it was almost time for the class to start. Shouldn't this person have seen someone fleeing? IDK. I just can't wrap my head around how the SP came and went without being detected.


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[rotary_dial]

As for the cameras, I guess I watched movies in my past lifetime..but I would have brought a can of spray paint with me, and just painted those camera lenses.

Snipped. For future reference if you ever need to block a camera, Silly String works well. You can easily coat the lens while standing comfortably on the ground. With spray paint, you need to be within six inches or so from the lens to actually coat it and wet paint drips, making it hard to coat the lens thoroughly. It is pretty difficult to reach a properly installed security camera without a ladder.

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[DeDee]

The church is effectively bounded by the creek on its E side. The dirt road off of 287 that begins across from SWFA, it goes to places where it is separated from the church by that creek at all points. As far as the dirt road a ways north of the church, the church property on its N side is completely bounded by fencing, which would have made it impossible to drive away via that route. The question of the ability to drive through there in the rain, and the condition of the ground for driving during heavy rain, is probably even more problematic but such questions are moot when you can't really get there from the church.

This fencing that bounds the church property to the North, do you know the perimeters of the fence or the beginning point and the ending point of the fence's location? Is it cyclone fencing? 6'? 8'? TYIA

 

[Dollcat]

Snipped. For future reference if you ever need to block a camera, Silly String works well. You can easily coat the lens while standing comfortably on the ground. With spray paint, you need to be within six inches or so from the lens to actually coat it and wet paint drips, making it hard to coat the lens thoroughly. It is pretty difficult to reach a properly installed security camera without a ladder.

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How far does Silly String shoot? Just curious as I have never used the stuff. It reminds me of Darlie Routier who lived in a town close to Dallas (in prison with life or awaiting death penalty from milling two of her kids back in the mid 90's and the food had her on video tape having a " birthday party" for one at their grave shortly after his murder and there she is laughing and spraying Silly String. I think she has ran out of appeals but who knows-they drag the date with Ol Sparky or the needle for years and years (I think she got death penalty but not sure, read a book on her and followed it since it's local but havent kept up with it).

 

[DeDee]

I do know a person that attempted suicide with a 22 pistol and it didn't even go into the brain, just went under the skin. Yet I know of people that successfully committed suicide with a 22 and it went into the skull and brain and not out of the other side.

Some believe that a typical handgun and bullet were not used in this crime.

It is possible the SP made their own dart. We have specific reasons to lead to that conclusion and could be so wrong. There have been images and videos about darts posted throughout the threads for months. Perhaps SP is highly educated and experienced in weaponry with specialized military training that continued as being an avid hunter. The weapon used with the dart may have affected the gait if it was strapped to the right leg.

Someone very familiar with ammo can create their own deadly dart making it nearly as easy as removing a dart from the dart board. Other puncture wounds were made with a tool or tools that SP is seen carrying in the video, according to MPD. Just one probable theory of opinion.

 

[PatTheRat]

Here's a second video of the V-22 Osprey caught by SWFA surveillance cameras and posted on April 26th. The one posted Saturday showed it doing a full 360 with a focus towards the direction of Creekside church; this one shows it hovering and directed just to the southwest of SWFA. To me at least, it is just too coincidental that it is hovering right over the creek between SWFA and Creekside Church just days after MB's murder. The autopsy was completed April 19th and I believe ATF brought its dogs in on April 20th, so this is likely in that general timeline.

One use of the V-22 is as a search and rescue, so is it possible it was utilizing its electronic capabilities to look for any clues related to the murder (clothing/tools left behind, trail used by murderer, etc.)? If so, that would indicate police at least considered the possibility the murderer crossed the creek when leaving.

So let's assume the murderer did cross the creek and come from the backside of the church. Would the murderer have known Creekside's external video surveillance cameras were only working some of the time and dared to come to an external door without being dressed in the SWAT attire (or at least covering their arms and face)? Assume they came to the door in different garb and broke into the church, they would have then had to change clothes (or put the police garb on over their other clothing, which would have been quite bulky - not to mention wet from the rain). Tons of DNA would have been shed when changing clothes, so that seems unlikely. If they came already dressed in police attire, they would likely have been drenched (was it raining all night or were there any breaks when someone could have crossed without getting wet?) and at the very least their shoes would have been terribly muddy. We do not see a bag with the murderer inside the church that could have held a separate pair of shoes or other clothing; would a murderer be so confident of themselves that they would have left a bag with this evidence in a room where they hoped they had time to retrieve it before leaving? What if someone had come in early and they had to leave from a different route - they would have left incredible evidence for police to find. There is no mud or pooling water shown in any video of the murderer, which would seem likely if they had worn the SWAT outfit to cross the creek. Or maybe they wore a poncho to protect from the rain and had shoes they changed into and changed outside the church, dumping those items somewhere they were sure police would not look?

Any other ideas on what a V-22 might be looking for (I realize this could have just been an incredible coincidence and they chose that exact location to just do some training, but let's make the leap of faith and say it might have been involved in the murder investigation)? Does anyone know where the closest military base would be that has the V-22?

[video=youtube;3t3Aij1vm-8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t3Aij1vm-8[/video]

 

[Dollcat]

Here's a second video of the V-22 Osprey caught by SWFA surveillance cameras and posted on April 26th. The one posted Saturday showed it doing a full 360 with a focus towards the direction of Creekside church; this one shows it hovering and directed just to the southwest of SWFA. To me at least, it is just too coincidental that it is hovering right over the creek between SWFA and Creekside Church just days after MB's murder. The autopsy was completed April 19th and I believe ATF brought its dogs in on April 20th, so this is likely in that general timeline.

One use of the V-22 is as a search and rescue, so is it possible it was utilizing its electronic capabilities to look for any clues related to the murder (clothing/tools left behind, trail used by murderer, etc.)? If so, that would indicate police at least considered the possibility the murderer crossed the creek when leaving.

So let's assume the murderer did cross the creek and come from the backside of the church. Would the murderer have known Creekside's external video surveillance cameras were only working some of the time and dared to come to an external door without being dressed in the SWAT attire (or at least covering their arms and face)? Assume they came to the door in different garb and broke into the church, they would have then had to change clothes (or put the police garb on over their other clothing, which would have been quite bulky - not to mention wet from the rain). Tons of DNA would have been shed when changing clothes, so that seems unlikely. If they came already dressed in police attire, they would likely have been drenched (was it raining all night or were there any breaks when someone could have crossed without getting wet?) and at the very least their shoes would have been terribly muddy. We do not see a bag with the murderer inside the church that could have held a separate pair of shoes or other clothing; would a murderer be so confident of themselves that they would have left a bag with this evidence in a room where they hoped they had time to retrieve it before leaving? What if someone had come in early and they had to leave from a different route - they would have left incredible evidence for police to find. There is no mud or pooling water shown in any video of the murderer, which would seem likely if they had worn the SWAT outfit to cross the creek. Or maybe they wore a poncho to protect from the rain and had shoes they changed into and changed outside the church, dumping those items somewhere they were sure police would not look?

Any other ideas on what a V-22 might be looking for (I realize this could have just been an incredible coincidence and they chose that exact location to just do some training, but let's make the leap of faith and say it might have been involved in the murder investigation)? Does anyone know where the closest military base would be that has the V-22?

[video=youtube;3t3Aij1vm-8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t3Aij1vm-8[/video]

Who uses the V-22 besides the military? I'm not sure if police depts do? Or does the military loan them out to police (I'm thinking not (how expensive are these compared to regular copters?)? Carswell Air Force Base is at Fort Worth. Maybe somebody taking one for a test run wanted to get a look at the crime scene just as a looky Lou? 😐

The cam seems to shift to the copter and focus on it almost like someone is monitoring and using a pan/ tilt/zoom feature.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Here's a second video of the V-22 Osprey caught by SWFA surveillance cameras and posted on April 26th. The one posted Saturday showed it doing a full 360 with a focus towards the direction of Creekside church; this one shows it hovering and directed just to the southwest of SWFA. To me at least, it is just too coincidental that it is hovering right over the creek between SWFA and Creekside Church just days after MB's murder. The autopsy was completed April 19th and I believe ATF brought its dogs in on April 20th, so this is likely in that general timeline.

One use of the V-22 is as a search and rescue, so is it possible it was utilizing its electronic capabilities to look for any clues related to the murder (clothing/tools left behind, trail used by murderer, etc.)? If so, that would indicate police at least considered the possibility the murderer crossed the creek when leaving.

So let's assume the murderer did cross the creek and come from the backside of the church. Would the murderer have known Creekside's external video surveillance cameras were only working some of the time and dared to come to an external door without being dressed in the SWAT attire (or at least covering their arms and face)? Assume they came to the door in different garb and broke into the church, they would have then had to change clothes (or put the police garb on over their other clothing, which would have been quite bulky - not to mention wet from the rain). Tons of DNA would have been shed when changing clothes, so that seems unlikely. If they came already dressed in police attire, they would likely have been drenched (was it raining all night or were there any breaks when someone could have crossed without getting wet?) and at the very least their shoes would have been terribly muddy. We do not see a bag with the murderer inside the church that could have held a separate pair of shoes or other clothing; would a murderer be so confident of themselves that they would have left a bag with this evidence in a room where they hoped they had time to retrieve it before leaving? What if someone had come in early and they had to leave from a different route - they would have left incredible evidence for police to find. There is no mud or pooling water shown in any video of the murderer, which would seem likely if they had worn the SWAT outfit to cross the creek. Or maybe they wore a poncho to protect from the rain and had shoes they changed into and changed outside the church, dumping those items somewhere they were sure police would not look?

Any other ideas on what a V-22 might be looking for (I realize this could have just been an incredible coincidence and they chose that exact location to just do some training, but let's make the leap of faith and say it might have been involved in the murder investigation)? Does anyone know where the closest military base would be that has the V-22?

[video=youtube;3t3Aij1vm-8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t3Aij1vm-8[/video]

V-22 Osprey squadrons are only found in CA (Miramar, Camp Pendelton), NC (New River), VA (Norfolk) and Japan. It is a Marine aircraft. Mid-Way Airport has been used as a refueling location and layover location by the military. On the FB page for the airport you will find Chinooks, and Apache attack helicopters, for example. In this case, apparently Bell Helicopter (manufacturer of the Osprey) was conducting some kind of work with an Osprey at the airport on the April 25th.

 

[PatTheRat]

Who uses the V-22 besides the military? I'm not sure if police depts do? Or does the military loan them out to police (I'm thinking not (how expensive are these compared to regular copters?)? Carswell Air Force Base is at Fort Worth. Maybe somebody taking one for a test run wanted to get a look at the crime scene just as a looky Lou? ��

The cam seems to shift to the copter and focus on it almost like someone is monitoring and using a pan/ tilt/zoom feature.

One of the other videos they posted was like this one - shows the parking lot and then zooms in on the V-22, but the one I posted Saturday is already zoomed in on it and shows it doing a full 360. They also have used their cameras for zooming in on wildlife in the area, like a coyote they tracked walking in that same field. Probably a bored security guy that is looking for anything to break the monotony.

An awfully expensive craft to use for a looky-Lou, but anything is possible. It's just so strange it would be within 100 yards of a murder scene that took place days earlier and for it to be doing spins over the creek.

 

[EnvoyDriver61]

There is a Textron subsidiary about 15 minutes north of the church site at the Arlington Airfield. It isn't uncommon for Osprey to be in the area on training flights.

 

[Cannonball3804]

V-22 Osprey squadrons are only found in CA (Miramar, Camp Pendelton), NC (New River), VA (Norfolk) and Japan. It is a Marine aircraft. Mid-Way Airport has been used as a refueling location and layover location by the military. On the FB page for the airport you will find Chinooks, and Apache attack helicopters, for example. In this case, apparently Bell Helicopter (manufacturer of the Osprey) was conducting some kind of work with an Osprey at the airport on the April 25th.

Bell Helicopter manufactures the Osprey in Amarillo. They make lots of training runs all over North Texas - I saw one in Canadian, TX just a few months ago.

Keep in mind that SP's police-like outfit likely elevated the visibility and priority of this case with the Feds and so it wouldn't surprise me if they loaned out an Osprey if one was nearby and available.

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[PatTheRat]

Here's Mid-Way Airport (Midlothian) showing the Osprey at their airport. States it was uploaded the 25th of April:

https://www.facebook.com/midwayregi...951161992874/1029304943824156/?type=2&theater

In 2012, Marines used the Mid-Way Airport to conduct testing on the Osprey:

"A United States Marine Corps V-22 Osprey departed Mid-Way Regional Airport on Tuesday after conducting training exercises. Marines were testing the fuel load of the newest version of the Osprey flying to and from North Carolina."

https://www.ssajwy.com/news/

 

[SteveS]

This fencing that bounds the church property to the North, do you know the perimeters of the fence or the beginning point and the ending point of the fence's location?

If you walked the fence line on the N side of the church, you would go from the road ditch abutting 287 to the edge of the creek, without a break, but in a line that takes several turns. You can more or less see the fence line on an overhead google map, as there are trees and shrubs that grow along it, which not only make it easier to see but also work as an added barrier to inhibit access. The other side of the fence that morning would have offered very muddy fields, easy to get stuck and slow you down, and easy to leave plenty of tracks for LE to follow, assuming you found a way to get past the fence.

 

[Amateurpi1]

Off the current topic, why do you think her local MIL and FIL, MT PT were not on the target number SW? Seems that since investigation starts with those closest and goes out, but her FIL and MIL, RB VB, who were more distant were included. Also why do you think there was no SW for BB work computer or home?

I think many of the people on the SW had supposedly been in touch with MB close to the time of her murder. But then, some were on SW because BB told LE about the CW thing, and maybe he knew and told LE about AT and CT too. IMO.

 

[Elley Mae]

An hour 10 minute flight from bell helicopter armarillo texas to midlothian texas, they are used as well for refueling.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/B...948bc0e32e096!8m2!3d35.2100583!4d-101.7134622

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Fort Worth, Texas (October 10, 2016) Bell Helicopter, a Textron Inc.


http://www.bellhelicopter.com/news/press-release/2016/10/japan-international-aerospace

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http://www.bellhelicopter.com/military/bell-boeing-v-22

 

[WannaBDetective]

SBM for focus...

I've kept this theory in the back of my brain since this crime happened. I know it's not a popular theory here, but it's one of only a few that seem plausible to me. I just can't figure out how SP could have fled the scene fast enough without being seen on camera or by an arriving camper. IIRC, one camper got there rather early, and shortly after MB did, but waited in the car until it was almost time for the class to start. Shouldn't this person have seen someone fleeing? IDK. I just can't wrap my head around how the SP came and went without being detected.


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If you've:
1. Visited CCoC, seen where the campers probably park, and the far perpendicular corner, behind a cement wall, where SP probably parked and came in.
2. Driven the hill(s) of the parking lot, weaving between spring-time brush.
3. Been in a TX rainstorm, at O-dark-30.
Realize this was all going on. There's a very good chance you would not have noticed, unless you knew something was going on and were looking for it (and that was not the case). Their lights were probably off.
Even if someone did see something, the chance of getting more of a description than "a car, in the dark, hundreds of feet away, driving away from me." are slim.

This might not have happened but is very plausible.

 

[TSA2016]

Has anyone seen/read the SW Nancy Grace references in her latest podcast? Sounds as if the alleged affairs were named.

 

[Heather301]

Has anyone seen/read the SW Nancy Grace references in her latest podcast? Sounds as if the alleged affairs were named.

Did she name them or just say that they had been named elsewhere?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Has anyone seen/read the SW Nancy Grace references in her latest podcast? Sounds as if the alleged affairs were named.

The links to those warrants are in the media thread for this case. That is where she got them from.

BB Facebook warrant post in the media thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eline-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12990986#post12990986

MB Facebook warrant post in the media thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eline-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12744308#post12744308