TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, Midlothian, 18 Apr 2016 #46

[SandyQLS]

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[SandyQLS stated] "Also the forensic podiatrist remarked that MB fought hard, ..."

Where did he say that?

...RSBM for focus...

I made an incorrect attribution. It was actually a law enforcement expert with almost 40 years experience who stated about MB that "she fought" back. I can say that IMO MB would likely naturally fight back. Thanks for pointing that out!

 

[Satchie]

If Missy was targeted, it makes perfect sense to me for the SP to make a big hullabaloo over pretending to burglarize the Church..

I agree, staging a murder to appear to be something else is becoming a common strategy for smarter perps. Originally, staging was done after death (suicide for eg), but forensics can (often) catch that.

So now there are murderers who act out the false scenario, for eg the guys who pretended to be burglars when they killed Theresa Sievers. But they blew it, IMO, by being overconfident that everyone would automatically buy into it. Instead, her husband and children being so conveniently away, raised deep suspicions all the way across the country to Missouri, where someone picked up a whiff of the rat, and decided to make it their business, and knew someone in law enforcement.

If a perp had learned from others mistakes, could they possibly implement a new strategy to actually use any surveillance cameras to reinforce the staged scenario, (eg Elizabeth Barranza is another potential one), and not do extremely stupid things like tell people where you're going and bring a gps on your road trip? Doesn't seem impossible, to me.

 

[Satchie]

It's the difference between targeted murder = death penalty; while interrupted nervous burglar commits murder during other felony could = Life or LWOP. If this is targeted, SP cannot know for a fact how it will go down, so he doesn't want the murder itself on film. Also the forensic podiatrist remarked that MB fought hard, so it may be that SP's gun was a last resort when bludgeoning with tools wasn't working, i.e. faux burglary gone bad.

Thanks! That is a very important clarification that there were no cameras at the NW and SE.

No camera in the SE corner, but I would bet there is broken glass or some other little things like beads, pieces of plastic, some clutter on the floor back there, too. I do not believe SP was meandering around. I do believe everything SP did was purposeful.

Remember the first movie Mission Impossible with Tom Cruise. He goes to the safe house apartment where he uses his handkerchief to unscrew a hot lightbulb in the hallway outside the door. Then he steps on it, and uses the hanky to scatter the broken glass on the landing. Why? Two reasons: dimmer light, and so anyone approaching will make crunching noises on the glass that Cruise will hear.

IMO As shown on your floor plan and seen on film, SP left broken glass in multiple places. This is just what we know about, there could be more, e.g., you have now disclosed about the broken glass display case in the far NW main hallway which was unknown when you made the floorplan. So there are several critical positions of known broken glass left on the hard floors by SP. I don't think it is mere vandalism. IMO SP has two purposes: to hear approaching or running away feet crunching on the glass, and if it is a targeted murder and MB happens to run in any hallway and to most exits, she might slip and fall on the glass. I wonder if MB was chased or did slip or fall on broken glass or baubles.

This makes sense for why SP exits room 10 to break glass on door 9 as shown on camera - to scatter glass on the floor there. Why? Because room 10 has at least two doors and room 9 connects to the auditorium, and this point in the back hallway is near the intersection to the kitchen hallway and NE exit, places for MB to run away and to hide. I have mentioned before that IMO SP is not checking every door for locked or open, then entering the unlocked looking for items to steal, but rather SP is searching for room-to-room connecting inside doors either for MB to escape or for SP to escape, or to hide. SP was prepared for hunting down MB if the first strike failed.

IMO everything is pointing increasingly to MB was targeted. Your opinion that MB was attacked in the NW corner makes sense because then she was lured far away from her truck. MB felt very safe leaving her purse, keys, phone, loaded gun and the truck itself behind. SP may have called her by name, or called out for "Help! I need help!". Whatever MB seemed to hear as reported by the forensic podiatrist, IMO it was not frightening or she would have retreated to the truck. MB was not an LEO or military with public responsibility, nor was she a man trying to be a hero. She was a mom, wife, teacher and fitness instructor, with no LEO training, and a small woman, so like most women, she would not move forward toward perceived danger to herself.

All JMO and some thoughts

I think these ideas fit in well with the apparently purposeful, systemic and unrushed approach SP takes. That behaviour makes sense to me if the agenda was not just to investigate the rooms, but to learn the complete layout of the church and, in particular, which doors were dead ends and which doors lead to other rooms. As you say, this would be of keen interest if SP anticipated needing to escape or pursue someone, once the show was underway.

We know SP broke glass in order to get into doors, but don't see, for eg, the glass of the double dutch doors being broken. The display case may have been broken in the attack.

JMO

 

[DeDee]

I agree, staging a murder to appear to be something else is becoming a common strategy for smarter perps. Originally, staging was done after death (suicide for eg), but forensics can (often) catch that.

So now there are murderers who act out the false scenario, for eg the guys who pretended to be burglars when they killed Theresa Sievers. But they blew it, IMO, by being overconfident that everyone would automatically buy into it. Instead, her husband and children being so conveniently away, raised deep suspicions all the way across the country to Missouri, where someone picked up a whiff of the rat, and decided to make it their business, and knew someone in law enforcement.

If a perp had learned from others mistakes, could they possibly implement a new strategy to actually use any surveillance cameras to reinforce the staged scenario, (eg Elizabeth Barranza is another potential one), and not do extremely stupid things like tell people where you're going and bring a gps on your road trip? Doesn't seem impossible, to me.

You are right about criminals trying to trick the cops by use of deception. That's why the question "Why didn't SP just shoot her in the parking lot?" doesn't deserve a response. jmho

Brandon stated in a recent interview the SP killing inside a church was on a level of vindictiveness (vindictive = strong desire for revenge).

The Teresa Sievers murder was committed with a hammer by a guy who called himself "The Hammer." I tried auditing the contents of MSs safe. He had some rather nice collectibles in there.

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[Gumshoe Stories]

I agree, staging a murder to appear to be something else is becoming a common strategy for smarter perps. Originally, staging was done after death (suicide for eg), but forensics can (often) catch that.

So now there are murderers who act out the false scenario, for eg the guys who pretended to be burglars when they killed Theresa Sievers. But they blew it, IMO, by being overconfident that everyone would automatically buy into it. Instead, her husband and children being so conveniently away, raised deep suspicions all the way across the country to Missouri, where someone picked up a whiff of the rat, and decided to make it their business, and knew someone in law enforcement.

If a perp had learned from others mistakes, could they possibly implement a new strategy to actually use any surveillance cameras to reinforce the staged scenario, (eg Elizabeth Barranza is another potential one), and not do extremely stupid things like tell people where you're going and bring a gps on your road trip? Doesn't seem impossible, to me.

If this perp “staged” a burglary, they did the worst job of anyone in the history of burglary staging. Because only me and about 5 other people on the planet were persuaded by it.

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

I made an incorrect attribution. It was actually a law enforcement expert with almost 40 years experience who stated about MB that "she fought" back. I can say that IMO MB would likely naturally fight back. Thanks for pointing that out!

If it was a talking head, the comment is worthless. No one except for a very few people know the circumstances of the encounter to know whether Missy even had a chance to fight back. Just because she was fit, that doesn’t mean she could fight.

 

[Satchie]

You are right about criminals trying to trick the cops by use of deception. That's why the question "Why didn't SP just shoot her in the parking lot?" doesn't deserve a response. jmho

Brandon stated in a recent interview the SP killing inside a church was on a level of vindictiveness (vindictive = strong desire for revenge).

The Teresa Sievers murder was committed with a hammer by a guy who called himself "The Hammer." I tried auditing the contents of MSs safe. He had some rather nice collectibles in there.
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Still, there are plenty of murderers who don't strive for that level of deception. Jennifer Dulos case, for eg. Or Dan Markel, who was shot in his driveway in broad daylight while in the midst of a similarly acrimonius custody dispute. These perps just want the deed done and don't seem to worry or care that police will assume they're behind it.

If this was targetted, I'm not sure whether the key quality of the perp would have been viciousness, I tend more to think 'control freak'.

The church at that hour was possibly the one place where a perp targetting her could get in ahead, prepare, get her alone, prevent anything unexpected from happening.

But, I don't think even LE know for sure whether it was targetted or not, although BB does refer to having insider information that leads him to believe it.

 

[SandyQLS]

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Clip on ID (with a face..)? What is that?

-Nin

It looks too large or too much depth or bulk to be a clip on badge, but there is distortion (and your eyes are so much better!). What I see looks like this walkie talkie:

or a handheld police scanner

 

[DutchTreat]

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The thing that would make the most sense, would be a police scanner.

It would tell the perp if police were alerted.
How else could the perp be walking around at the church as relaxed as they appear.
And even if there would be an alert on the scanner while the perp approached MB, it would even add more credibilty.

Now the antenna of a police scanner is quite long, and would be pointing towards the driver of the vehicle, so that would make sense.

Is anyone able to digitally compare some popular police scanners to the object in the car? Size wise etc?

 

[Satchie]

If this perp “staged” a burglary, they did the worst job of anyone in the history of burglary staging. Because only me and about 5 other people on the planet were persuaded by it.

Personally, I'm not drawing conclusions one way or another. I can't rule out either possibility, and go back and forth.

I wish there were more media reports of this kind of burglarly: someone caught on video wearing a head to toe costume and systematically going room to room in a church or similar low-yield place. Then I could more enthusiastically say, yeah, that's a burglar alright, I've seen that before.

Instead, what I've seen are guys in baseball caps and hoodies, acting furtively and quickly.

 

[SandyQLS]

You are right about criminals trying to trick the cops by use of deception. That's why the question "Why didn't SP just shoot her in the parking lot?" doesn't deserve a response. jmho

Brandon stated in a recent interview the SP killing inside a church was on a level of vindictiveness (vindictive = strong desire for revenge).

The Teresa Sievers murder was committed with a hammer by a guy who called himself "The Hammer." I tried auditing the contents of MSs safe. He had some rather nice collectibles in there.
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Very early on, BB thought the murder was targeted and that SP knew MB. He noted that SP did not steal MB's ring off her finger, if it was a burglary. I don't know if we ever located a good photo of it, but BB considered it to have good value.

Terri 'Missy' Bevers's husband shares his theory on who killed his wife | Daily Mail Online

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[DutchTreat]

The thing that would make the most sense, would be a police scanner.

It would tell the perp if police were alerted.
How else could the perp be walking around at the church as relaxed as they appear.
And even if there would be an alert on the scanner while the perp approached MB, it would even add more credibilty.

Now the antenna of a police scanner is quite long, and would be pointing towards the driver of the vehicle, so that would make sense.

Is anyone able to digitally compare some popular police scanners to the object in the car? Size wise etc?

I think this could be the one:

Uniden BCD325P2 Handheld TrunkTracker V Scanner.

 

[SandyQLS]

I’m more interested in this:
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Did we look at that 4-5 years ago in the old threads? I have deja vu about trying to sort those letters.

If that is SP, his POLICE gear, a police scanner, maybe a GPS, the fact of an accomplice lookout & getaway driver, then it leans to habitual criminal burglar and thief...

except that for all the elaborate one-time effort, he completely failed at the task, failed at two businesses SWFA & CCoC, and managed to succeed at the murder of someone. Is he a first-time burglar? Why is he such a failure?

 

[SandyQLS]

If it was a talking head, the comment is worthless. No one except for a very few people know the circumstances of the encounter to know whether Missy even had a chance to fight back. Just because she was fit, that doesn’t mean she could fight.

He interviewed you in Part II.
See Part I (1:00.38) "...and she probably controlled the suspect at some point, and he panicked... ...(1:00.54) I guarantee you she fought this son of a gun. ..." retired LEO C. McDonough.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Has anyone spoken to Midlothian Police about the non-profit org that had Missy's death as a gun shot wound? I'm still iffy about that.

 

[Satchie]

Has anyone spoken to Midlothian Police about the non-profit org that had Missy's death as a gun shot wound? I'm still iffy about that.

I have wondered about that too, there are many errors when data is collected by 'hand' and then entered, ie not a direct download from a police database.

 

[No it's not]

I’m more interested in this:
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GS, can you please share more of the context of that police signage? What is it exactly?

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

When viewing this, it looks like the object has been "turned" to view it better. Essentially, it is on the driver's side dashboard. Yes?

I see a pencil with an erasure or I see a walkie talkie thing. A big one.

Looking at the windshield above where you've captioned "cellphone",
it appears there is a silver object attached to the windshield. A radar detector?

Razz, the silver object is just a reflection on the windshield.

-Nin

 

[Amateurpi1]

GS, can you please share more of the context of that police signage? What is it exactly?

-Nin

Hi NIN and Gunshoe. I used to follow for a
bout a year after the murder and I’m just getting back into it. Thank you for your excellent sleuthing on this matter. Gumshoe’s podcasts and blogs are excellent as well!
Yes, I also need clarification on the left side picture in Gumshoe’s post. Thanks!

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

Very early on, BB thought the murder was targeted and that SP knew MB. He noted that SP did not steal MB's ring off her finger, if it was a burglary. I don't know if we ever located a good photo of it, but BB considered it to have good value.

Terri 'Missy' Bevers's husband shares his theory on who killed his wife | Daily Mail Online

enlarge to see ring

Yeah, to be honest, that was a dumb comment for Brandon to make. An interrupted burglar who has just now killed someone they didn’t plan on killing... the LAST thing on their mind post-murder is going to be jewelry on a finger. I mean, what would you think if you were a burglar and you had just been surprised by someone? I know what I would think. I would think, is this person the only one? Is someone else about to walk thru that door? I better hightail it out of here.

So it’s horrible logic to rule out it being a burglary for that reason.