TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, Midlothian, 18 Apr 2016 #46

[No it's not]

How do we know the shoes are oversized/wrong size for the SP? Just curious. And if they are a phony shoe size then what does that tell us about the perpetrator?

I measured SP's right shoe, when they are captured by the SE cam view just passing the Holy Grounds. He steps almost parallel to the tile grout line with his right foot. Prior to that I measured the floor tiles via an image GS had posted. That image had been taken by a regular camera. I had door reference and adjoining floor tiles to work with. However, the church CCTV cams are so tricky, since they seem to capture in a wider angle- make things wider when closer- than reality. Even if I deduct 2-3 shoe sizes based on possible error measurements (tiles/shoe), I still get a size 14.. (used online converter and measured some folks' shoes in addition) and that seems too large of a shoe size for such a short person.

Good question, Itsapuzzle. What does that tell us about the perpetrator? Why are they wearing oversized shoes to begin with..? In my opinion that person is either a very smart individual or completely the opposite, yet very lucky.

ALL IMO

-Nin

 

[FromGermany1]

I measured SP's right shoe, when they are captured by the SE cam view just passing the Holy Grounds. He steps almost parallel to the tile grout line with his right foot. Prior to that I measured the floor tiles via an image GS had posted. That image had been taken by a regular camera. I had door reference and adjoining floor tiles to work with. However, the church CCTV cams are so tricky, since they seem to capture in a wider angle- make things wider when closer- than reality. Even if I deduct 2-3 shoe sizes based on possible error measurements (tiles/shoe), I still get a size 14.. (used online converter and measured some folks' shoes in addition) and that seems too large of a shoe size for such a short person.

Good question, Itsapuzzle. What does that tell us about the perpetrator? Why are they wearing oversized shoes to begin with..? In my opinion that person is either a very smart individual or completely the opposite, yet very lucky.

ALL IMO

-Nin

I don't recognize a big shoe size, absolutely not. But I know, several people do. Wondering all the time .... Normally I'm seeing things like that.

 

[FromGermany1]

GS, regarding the object SP is seen carrying in their left hand while hammering the entrance of room #9, you told us it is a plastic bin to hold small tools. I have spent some more time on extracting the possible properties of the object. With a plastic bin or container, I am unable to explain the caved-in areas of the object:

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The yellow marked area shows a carton like (inside) color, that typical grayish brownish carton color, for the lack of a better description. With a plastic bin, I am not sure how that would be possible:

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I am not doubting your info source regarding the object GS, I am just not agreeing on what we see here.

ALL IMO

-Nin

It's not a rifle in some half-open packaging (maybe disguise-wise)? Rifle might have wood-color, something light-colored around it?
Your second pic immediately lets me think of this because of the outline. Though Idk, if the length of the object is too short ....



ETA: Silencer? Sound suppressor? In some packaging.

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

GS, regarding the object SP is seen carrying in their left hand while hammering the entrance of room #9, you told us it is a plastic bin to hold small tools. I have spent some more time on extracting the possible properties of the object. With a plastic bin or container, I am unable to explain the caved-in areas of the object:

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The yellow marked area shows a carton like (inside) color, that typical grayish brownish carton color, for the lack of a better description. With a plastic bin, I am not sure how that would be possible:

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I am not doubting your info source regarding the object GS, I am just not agreeing on what we see here.

ALL IMO

-Nin

Nin, I’m not sure I’m completely following what you’re saying. But as for “caved in”, those storage bins are not rigid. When a person is holding the bin with a hand across the top palm-down as SP is doing, the grip is going to cause those two sides across the width of the bin to be squeezed inward. The material has some flex to it. How much it caves inward just depends on how strong the grip is.

As for the color, the bin itself is white and most if not all the objects within it are a silver color.

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

I measured SP's right shoe, when they are captured by the SE cam view just passing the Holy Grounds. He steps almost parallel to the tile grout line with his right foot. Prior to that I measured the floor tiles via an image GS had posted. That image had been taken by a regular camera. I had door reference and adjoining floor tiles to work with. However, the church CCTV cams are so tricky, since they seem to capture in a wider angle- make things wider when closer- than reality. Even if I deduct 2-3 shoe sizes based on possible error measurements (tiles/shoe), I still get a size 14.. (used online converter and measured some folks' shoes in addition) and that seems too large of a shoe size for such a short person.

Good question, Itsapuzzle. What does that tell us about the perpetrator? Why are they wearing oversized shoes to begin with..? In my opinion that person is either a very smart individual or completely the opposite, yet very lucky.

ALL IMO

-Nin

Nin, you probably already know this but those are not actual tiles in the flooring. That is stained concrete, and they included in the staining a pattern meant to appear to be like tile. So no actual grout lines. The floor in that main hallway is all one smooth surface. Mainly I bring this up just to raise the possibility that maybe the virtual “tiles” could have some variation in their sizing since they aren’t actual physical tiles?

 

[cady]

I measured SP's right shoe, when they are captured by the SE cam view just passing the Holy Grounds. He steps almost parallel to the tile grout line with his right foot. Prior to that I measured the floor tiles via an image GS had posted. That image had been taken by a regular camera. I had door reference and adjoining floor tiles to work with. However, the church CCTV cams are so tricky, since they seem to capture in a wider angle- make things wider when closer- than reality. Even if I deduct 2-3 shoe sizes based on possible error measurements (tiles/shoe), I still get a size 14.. (used online converter and measured some folks' shoes in addition) and that seems too large of a shoe size for such a short person.

Good question, Itsapuzzle. What does that tell us about the perpetrator? Why are they wearing oversized shoes to begin with..? In my opinion that person is either a very smart individual or completely the opposite, yet very lucky.

ALL IMO

-Nin

Nin, I was reading old threads and came across a suggestion that SP may be wearing covers over the shoes or boots that are worn in martial arts activities. The person said that they were familiar with them and that when worn, as they are not for the purpose of walking, if you try to walk in them you have to kick your legs out and sort of duck-walk to avoid tripping over the toes! It was thread #10 post #290. Could explain why the shoe size seems way too large for SP's stature. JMO And the weird walk.

 

[No it's not]

And that pretty much sums up the entire case to me.

Nin, I was reading old threads and came across a suggestion that SP may be wearing covers over the shoes or boots that are worn in martial arts activities. The person said that they were familiar with them and that when worn, as they are not for the purpose of walking, if you try to walk in them you have to kick your legs out and sort of duck-walk to avoid tripping over the toes! It was thread #10 post #290. Could explain why the shoe size seems way too large for SP's stature. JMO And the weird walk.

Cady, I am putting together a SP ("Swatperp") gallery of shoe views for all to decide, what we are seeing. I think SP is wearing some kind of covers, but they do not seem to be hard-shell Damascus like gear.

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

Nin, you probably already know this but those are not actual tiles in the flooring. That is stained concrete, and they included in the staining a pattern meant to appear to be like tile. So no actual grout lines. The floor in that main hallway is all one smooth surface. Mainly I bring this up just to raise the possibility that maybe the virtual “tiles” could have some variation in their sizing since they aren’t actual physical tiles?

GS, thank you for the info. If it's stained concrete, contractors usually use a stencil as far as I know. It's fast and more precise.

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

Nin, I’m not sure I’m completely following what you’re saying. But as for “caved in”, those storage bins are not rigid. When a person is holding the bin with a hand across the top palm-down as SP is doing, the grip is going to cause those two sides across the width of the bin to be squeezed inward. The material has some flex to it. How much it caves inward just depends on how strong the grip is.

As for the color, the bin itself is white and most if not all the objects within it are a silver color.

GS, how can we explain the yellow marked area, if the bin is one solid white color? I have a very specific reason I am eyeing this object and want to be as close to sure as possible regarding of the object's identity. Not trying to split hairs. Thanks!


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-Nin

 

[No it's not]

It's not a rifle in some half-open packaging (maybe disguise-wise)? Rifle might have wood-color, something light-colored around it?
Your second pic immediately lets me think of this because of the outline. Though Idk, if the length of the object is too short ....

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ETA: Silencer? Sound suppressor? In some packaging.

FG, as long as we don't know what the object is, it could be about anything. GS is a recognized expert in the case and he said it is a plastic bin with some content. I am not suggesting the object is something else. I am only trying to consolidate the information with what we see.

ALL IMO

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

I don't recognize a big shoe size, absolutely not. But I know, several people do. Wondering all the time .... Normally I'm seeing things like that.

I think the shoes look out of proportion for SP's (anticipated) height, almost like clown shoes. Here are some lines to compare:


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ALL IMO

-Nin

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

GS, how can we explain the yellow marked area, if the bin is one solid white color? I have a very specific reason I am eyeing this object and want to be as close to sure as possible regarding of the object's identity. Not trying to split hairs. Thanks!

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-Nin

When you watch the moving video at that point, it appears that the lower half of the bin is in shadow. Either that, or it’s color bleed from the black clothing. The object is white, it has vertical open slots, and the objects inside it are mostly silver in color.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I think the shoes look out of proportion for SP's (anticipated) height, almost like clown shoes. Here are some lines to compare:

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ALL IMO

-Nin

Great pic Nin. Agree, there are some parts of the video where they certainly look like Bozo's shoes, but when he's holding the little basket at the end of the video they look kind of proportionate. Re shoe size, the only reason I can think of for oversized shoes would be if he/she was planning on leaving a muddy footprint, but I don't think that occurred. Other than that, if they had sore feet, or to hide prosthetic foot imprint (if that's possible) - but yeah, the favoured choice of footwear for crims is runners, Nikes, etc, for quick getaway, not knees raised running like a clown from the crime scene, so this is all pretty weird.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

When you watch the moving video at that point, it appears that the lower half of the bin is in shadow. Either that, or it’s color bleed from the black clothing. The object is white, it has vertical open slots, and the objects inside it are mostly silver in color.

Do you think it's possible he was holding the plastic basket to squeeze like a stress ball, or pain relief thing .... or like a pacifier to calm him down? Just a thought, if it was that real soft squishy plastic.

 

[FromGermany1]

FG, as long as we don't know what the object is, it could be about anything. GS is a recognized expert in the case and he said it is a plastic bin with some content. I am not suggesting the object is something else. I am only trying to consolidate the information with what we see.

ALL IMO

-Nin

I am okay with the white plastic bin ("packaging"). I wonder, what the content might be. GS says, the color is silver; you said, the color looks like cardboard. Plus the outline, I saw now for the first time (like a filling, which is not rectangular). I tried to brainstorm only.
Crazy for SP to carry something and block his one hand, if it is completely useless for him. So, where is the benefit for him in carrying it? Which object would you have stored in the plastic bin, if you had such at home (no weapon )? For what did SP misuse the plastic bin perhaps? Did he want to carry something white, no matter what exactly, to confuse the evaluation of the video? Was SP so drunk, that he himself didn't know, why he was carrying the plastic bin around?

 

[Itsapuzzle]

In this pic they look very much like flat women’s Mary Jane shoes, with black socks or tights?

 

[FromGermany1]

In this pic they look very much like flat women’s Mary Jane shoes, with black socks or tights?

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Looks like two different shoes, haha. But I'm sure, that is caused only by the video still.
Looks like his right foot is in a slipper and his left foot is in a shoe with shiny tip (shoe from one material and the tip made of different material).
Did he have not only a knee injury but also a bandage on the right foot? So that his normal shoe wouldn't fit? Idk. Each pic looks different. Sigh.

 

[FromGermany1]

Do you think it's possible he was holding the plastic basket to squeeze like a stress ball, or pain relief thing .... or like a pacifier to calm him down? Just a thought, if it was that real soft squishy plastic.

Your idea is not that bad!

 

[cady]

And that pretty much sums up the entire case to me.


Cady, I am putting together a SP ("Swatperp") gallery of shoe views for all to decide, what we are seeing. I think SP is wearing some kind of covers, but they do not seem to be hard-shell Damascus like gear.

-Nin

Probably just cheap industrial boot covers. Tingley " workbrute" covers have bulbous clown-shoe toes, lol. Can't wait for the boot-view gallery! If the boot tips shine somewhat in the light they are probably rubber or maybe even wet rubber. jmo

 

[windrower]

But I have to wonder if any “innocent errors in judgement” have taken place around this murder investigation. I would offer that when someone’s business involves direct punishment and effects on other people’s lives, there is no room for such nonsense. From the article above, it doesn’t appear they are doing much at all to correct this either. As with all of these agencies, they are just hoping this will die down and they move on.

^^^^ This. Nobody wants to think that someone they know, maybe love, could be involved in a murder. And yet we see it time after time after time, the murderer is living life in plain sight.

I’ve been here since the beginning, and often wonder if basic murder crime scene protocols were followed, or if first responders discounted any involvement by the other folks who were on site right after the murder. I don’t know the answers to the following questions, and feel I’ve probably missed some pertinent information along the way.

Were all campers searched?
Were all campers’ vehicles searched?
Was anyone present at the church that early morning tested for gunshot residue?
Was a grounds search conducted, starting at the building and moving outward in an ever-widening perimeter, to look for any signs of the intruder?

I’m of the targeted mindset, and at this time, I think the murderer is a woman, someone close enough to Missy (related, friend, common close friend, previous camper, etc.) to know details of Missy’s activities and how she does things. Maybe even a member of a messaging system for campers whereby the murderer knew the usually early bird campers were delayed?

Or as Gwendolyn mentioned, some sort of digital tracking mechanism.

I don’t know, I feel I’m grasping at straws.

It’s all just MOO.