TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, Midlothian, 18 Apr 2016 #46

[No it's not]

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-Nin

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

They just look like boots to me. I don’t see anything covering the boots.

 

[Kittybunny]

When you watch the moving video at that point, it appears that the lower half of the bin is in shadow. Either that, or it’s color bleed from the black clothing. The object is white, it has vertical open slots, and the objects inside it are mostly silver in color.

SO I've been thinking about this thing. Here's a couple possibilities:

1. At a bar I used to work at, we used to use a little plastic bin like this to stack/organize cash to keep count. Bills fit nicely in there horizontally. Maybe the silver items are coins? But they say nothing was stolen - maybe this was forgotten about/overlooked.
2. Maybe their intention was to put shell/bullet casings in this to make sure they collected them/got them all?

BUT both of these don't make sense either because didn't the vest have pockets? Why carry an extra something around when either of those things I speculated about would easily fit into a pocket. So basically it makes no sense either way.

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

SO I've been thinking about this thing. Here's a couple possibilities:

1. At a bar I used to work at, we used to use a little plastic bin like this to stack/organize cash to keep count. Bills fit nicely in there horizontally. Maybe the silver items are coins? But they say nothing was stolen - maybe this was forgotten about/overlooked.
2. Maybe their intention was to put shell/bullet casings in this to make sure they collected them/got them all?

BUT both of these don't make sense either because didn't the vest have pockets? Why carry an extra something around when either of those things I speculated about would easily fit into a pocket. So basically it makes no sense either way.

Those are good thoughts but the bin did not contain coins. Also, not all guns eject the casings.

 

[cady]

^^^^ This. Nobody wants to think that someone they know, maybe love, could be involved in a murder. And yet we see it time after time after time, the murderer is living life in plain sight.

I’ve been here since the beginning, and often wonder if basic murder crime scene protocols were followed, or if first responders discounted any involvement by the other folks who were on site right after the murder. I don’t know the answers to the following questions, and feel I’ve probably missed some pertinent information along the way.

Were all campers searched?
Were all campers’ vehicles searched?
Was anyone present at the church that early morning tested for gunshot residue?
Was a grounds search conducted, starting at the building and moving outward in an ever-widening perimeter, to look for any signs of the intruder?

I’m of the targeted mindset, and at this time, I think the murderer is a woman, someone close enough to Missy (related, friend, common close friend, previous camper, etc.) to know details of Missy’s activities and how she does things. Maybe even a member of a messaging system for campers whereby the murderer knew the usually early bird campers were delayed?

Or as Gwendolyn mentioned, some sort of digital tracking mechanism.

I don’t know, I feel I’m grasping at straws.

It’s all just MOO.

After all this time I would think that the campers would finally speak publicly about the murder. Or, I should say, their trauma after having witnessed the condition of the victim. I understand their not wanting to speak about it 5 years ago but since the case hasn't been solved, whatever they relayed to 911 and investigators seems to not have been helpful in discovering who the SP is. I think that several of them probably suspect who it may have been and are too afraid to say and suffer the small town backlash. The investigation was botched from the beginning and as far as we know, lots of people should have been interviewed and investigated yet nothing is developed. I DO think that LE just wants to put the case to bed. JMO

 

[cady]

I can't tell whether there are boot coverings or not. jmo

 

[SteveS]

1 I think that several of them probably suspect who it may have been and are too afraid to say and suffer the small town backlash.
2 The investigation was botched from the beginning and ...

Is it possible that several campers think they know who did it? Sure.
Is it possible that the investigation was somehow "botched"? Sure.

But I don't think either of those is very likely. I think whatever ideas the campers might have had (if any) were submitted, investigated, and found to be erroneous. And I think the investigation was done with diligence, but suffers from the problem that plagues most crimes - there is very little to work with that's useful.

We want everything wrapped up nice and neat and solved in an hour, like on TV. And we want to bash someone when we don't get what we want. But that's not how real life works. When no one is there to see what happened and who did it, it can take forever.

And unlike TV, people involved in the case have no reason to tell the general public what they are thinking or doing, or why. Who said what, who did what, and how and why it all evolves are things we may not know until the case is solved -- and maybe not even then.

 

[cady]

Is it possible that several campers think they know who did it? Sure.
Is it possible that the investigation was somehow "botched"? Sure.

But I don't think either of those is very likely. I think whatever ideas the campers might have had (if any) were submitted, investigated, and found to be erroneous. And I think the investigation was done with diligence, but suffers from the problem that plagues most crimes - there is very little to work with that's useful.

We want everything wrapped up nice and neat and solved in an hour, like on TV. And we want to bash someone when we don't get what we want. But that's not how real life works. When no one is there to see what happened and who did it, it can take forever.

And unlike TV, people involved in the case have no reason to tell the general public what they are thinking or doing, or why. Who said what, who did what, and how and why it all evolves are things we may not know until the case is solved -- and maybe not even then.

Well, I have always been of the opinion that critical evidence wasn't sought after in the rush to clear out the crime scene so the church people could go on about their business. As I recall (maybe mistakenly) the crime scene was cleared by around noon. JMO (I don't watch fictional crime TV. Yes, investigations take time, but crime scenes are usually gone over with a fine-toothed comb as soon as possible before they are released to the clean-up crew and the public) Everywhere SP went in the church was part of the crime scene. It should have taken days not a few hours to search for evidence. JMO

 

[Itsapuzzle]

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-Nin

H'mm, in the fifth photo they definitely look like lace up boots/shoes, maybe that's the true depiction, and yet at other times they look like slip-on shoes with no laces. Very interesting. Thanks Nin, great images.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

Looks like two different shoes, haha. But I'm sure, that is caused only by the video still.
Looks like his right foot is in a slipper and his left foot is in a shoe with shiny tip (shoe from one material and the tip made of different material).
Did he have not only a knee injury but also a bandage on the right foot? So that his normal shoe wouldn't fit? Idk. Each pic looks different. Sigh.

H'mm, that's quite possible FromGermany1, maybe they are two different shoes, will have a closer look, hadn't thought of that, but yeah, could well be, very interesting.

 

[JnRyan]

This has been one lucky killer. To the best of my knowledge LE does not know what kind of vehicle the killer was driving. (I can't see someone walking out of there in the rain in that attire.) First the outside surveillance cameras are not working. (Was the killer lucky or did they know about the cameras?) I've not heard if any of the campers arriving early saw a vehicle exiting the lot.

 

[worm]

This has been one lucky killer. To the best of my knowledge LE does not know what kind of vehicle the killer was driving. (I can't see someone walking out of there in the rain in that attire.) First the outside surveillance cameras are not working. (Was the killer lucky or did they know about the cameras?) I've not heard if any of the campers arriving early saw a vehicle exiting the lot.

Agreed, too much has gone right, for the killer and wrong for everyone else involved.

I know we have been everywhere on the intended/burglar interrupted theories and I’ve tried to let myself rule out burglar but I never rule out anything really as I’ve been wrong on here before. I just think a burglar would be more interested in getting in and gone. It’s the stuff of value, probably pray to find cash since they heading to church anyway. And not being caught that motivates most of them. The thrill of breaking in isn’t there for most. The way this person moves thru, it’s like getting a layout to get out easy when they need to. I’d think most burglars intent on grabbing music equipment or whatever would have split when this lady started in.
I know these have been discussed and there are people on both sides of this theory. I’m only one.

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

Agreed, too much has gone right, for the killer and wrong for everyone else involved.

I know we have been everywhere on the intended/burglar interrupted theories and I’ve tried to let myself rule out burglar but I never rule out anything really as I’ve been wrong on here before. I just think a burglar would be more interested in getting in and gone. It’s the stuff of value, probably pray to find cash since they heading to church anyway. And not being caught that motivates most of them. The thrill of breaking in isn’t there for most. The way this person moves thru, it’s like getting a layout to get out easy when they need to. I’d think most burglars intent on grabbing music equipment or whatever would have split when this lady started in.
I know these have been discussed and there are people on both sides of this theory. I’m only one.

Burglars don’t break into a church to steal music equipment, normally. What they do break into churches for is to get cash. Cash because they’re in desperate circumstances, maybe unemployed, maybe behind on bills, maybe feeding an addiction. A church on a rural highway in the rain on a Sunday night is a smart play, IF the cash is still on site. They won’t know until they break in and find out. And if they’ve tested for an alarm and found none, there is no reason to be in and out. In their mind, they’ve got hours.

 

[SteveS]

Well, I have always been of the opinion that critical evidence wasn't sought after in the rush to clear out the crime scene so the church people could go on about their business. As I recall (maybe mistakenly) the crime scene was cleared by around noon. JMO

It should have taken days not a few hours to search for evidence. JMO

What "rush"? What desire by LE to hurry to let the church do its thing, overriding everything else? I think those assumptions imply an unprofessional approach, and unless there's something to say these people (MPD, ECSO, coroner, detectives, FBI, ATF, and more) tend to act that way, I just don't see a reason to think they were like that.

Is noon even accurate? How can anyone except LE possibly be able to know such a thing, and why would they discuss such a mundane detail? Also, we can think "they needed a month" (or whatever) -- but how much time did they really need? Plus, do we even know how many were there to help?

We know they looked in every room (to see if he is still in the building, or if there were other victims), so they would have seen if there was any apparent damage or chaos in any room. We know they took pics and everything they could find from scene of the attack. They also would have done detail work on the NE door and the kitchen door, and probably looked to see if kitchen (where he entered out of sight of cameras) was disturbed. We know they talked to the campers.

The point is, the total footprint may have been big, but you don't take a magnifying glass to all of it. You narrow it down logically.

They must have seen the video with the movements and timestamps early on, and from it they would have known a lot pretty quickly. Perp is clad head to toe, which means no prints. His time was mostly spent in the halls, in an enclosed costume, which offers nothing. They might have thought perp might have taken something from a room, but an investigator can't know what's missing by spending more time in the rooms since he has no way of knowing what should have been there. From timestamps they could determine what rooms (if any) he spent any real time in.

So with all the help they had, and that sort of to-do list, how much total time does that take? When are you done?

If we start with the assumption that they "botched" the case, then "it must not have been enough." But if we think they were probably very professional, and would have wanted to do everything they could to make sure they got all the evidence that was there, and they asked lots of experts on the scene before they left it to the church's use, then "it was probably enough plus a bit more."

I think LE was professional. I observe they called for lots of help, because they wanted to get it right. And I think they left when they thought they were done, in consultation with people who would know. That's what I think happened.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I can't tell whether there are boot coverings or not. jmo

Yeah, I don't think there are boot/shoe coverings, I think it's an illusion caused by the shadowing and CCTV quality. MOO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Agreed, too much has gone right, for the killer and wrong for everyone else involved.

I know we have been everywhere on the intended/burglar interrupted theories and I’ve tried to let myself rule out burglar but I never rule out anything really as I’ve been wrong on here before. I just think a burglar would be more interested in getting in and gone. It’s the stuff of value, probably pray to find cash since they heading to church anyway. And not being caught that motivates most of them. The thrill of breaking in isn’t there for most. The way this person moves thru, it’s like getting a layout to get out easy when they need to. I’d think most burglars intent on grabbing music equipment or whatever would have split when this lady started in.
I know these have been discussed and there are people on both sides of this theory. I’m only one.

I don't think the perp was a burglar either. Could be, but my guess is that MB was targeted.

I wish we knew if the perp was male or female. I lean more towards male, but again, who knows??

 

[worm]

Burglars don’t break into a church to steal music equipment, normally. What they do break into churches for is to get cash. Cash because they’re in desperate circumstances, maybe unemployed, maybe behind on bills, maybe feeding an addiction. A church on a rural highway in the rain on a Sunday night is a smart play, IF the cash is still on site. They won’t know until they break in and find out. And if they’ve tested for an alarm and found none, there is no reason to be in and out. In their mind, they’ve got hours.

I used that example because a former bandmate of mine got his stuff ripped off from a church in a burglary. But in that case, the spirit must have followed the burglar to bed because the stuff was found on the same church steps a few mornings later.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

Yes, I'm now convinced that the two shoes are different, what do you think? The boot/lace up shoe is on the left good leg and the other shoe is on the right "bad" leg, that's why the walking looks so peculiar?? Need a pic of left and right side by side to compare. MOO of course.

 

[FromGermany1]

IF the SP had a different shoe on his "bad" right foot because of medical reasons, then I believe, he was a hired killer, who had to work on his paid mission in time to fit the alibi of the client. Who else would undertake that mission for himself (thrill kill) just then, when he is handicapped by a "bad" leg/knee/foot?

 

[Ann99]

I've just recently started following this thread.
I'm also reading available info found by google searches, etc.
There are certainly good researchers here and very valuable well researched information.
I'll continue to scan the early years of this thread, but would like to ask a question, if anyone can answer.
With all possible knowledge and sensitivity: How Missy was Missy killed?
Gun?
Knife?
The hammer like object?
I ask this to try to bring ideas as to the contents of the plastic basket (if that is what it is), and the reason for carrying it.
TIA.