TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, Midlothian, 18 Apr 2016 #47

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  • #201
I recall Gumshoe Stories saying he didn't agree with the current direction the MPD was taking but wouldn't say what their current stance was.

What other member stances re the MPD are you aware of that perhaps I've missed?
 
  • #202
I recall Gumshoe Stories saying he didn't agree with the current direction the MPD was taking but wouldn't say what their current stance was.

What other member stances re the MPD are you aware of that perhaps I've missed?
It’s been awhile and I have slept since then, but I think he said he didn’t agree with the current suspect they’re after? Took it to mean that it’s someone like the former LE they started out with as a suspect. Only, less likely of being the right one than the first guy was. I don’t know why?

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Isn’t it kind of amazing that in five years, with all the video and everything, that they’ve apparently only “gone after” two people (but only one that we the public know about)? Haven’t they presented this case to multiple outside agencies? It just seems odd that they do not appear any closer than day 1. If this was someone who tArgeted Mrs. Bevers, I feel like there would be a trail to follow. Every criminal makes mistakes, no matter how careful they are. MOO
 
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  • #203
It’s been awhile and I have slept since then, but I think he said he didn’t agree with the current suspect they’re after? Took it to mean that it’s someone like the former LE they started out with as a suspect. Only, less likely of being the right one than the first guy was. I don’t know why?

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Isn’t it kind of amazing that in five years, with all the video and everything, that they’ve apparently only “gone after” two people (but only one that we the public know about)? Haven’t they presented this case to multiple outside agencies? It just seems odd that they do not appear any closer than day 1. If this was someone who tArgeted Mrs. Bevers, I feel like there would be a trail to follow. Every criminal makes mistakes, no matter how careful they are. MOO
I think that's the verified insider's point. No one has been found and arrested (that we are aware of) with all the dang clues.
Suggesting perhaps that this was a random burglary with no ties to the church, Midlothian or the Bevers family...
that somewhere there is a person living a life of freedom that shouldn't be.
 
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  • #204
I think that's the verified insider's point. No one has been found and arrested (that we are aware of) with all the dang clues.
Suggesting perhaps that this was a random burglary with no ties to the church, Midlothian or the Bevers family...
that somewhere there is a person living a life of freedom that shouldn't be.
I saw you post that you leaned toward this being a targeted attack? Why do you think police haven’t solved it, if there is a connection?
 
  • #205
I saw you post that you leaned toward this being a targeted attack? Why do you think police haven’t solved it, if there is a connection?

Not Razz, but maybe because they have been hands-off of extended family from the beginning. Why? JMO
 
  • #206
I saw you post that you leaned toward this being a targeted attack? Why do you think police haven’t solved it, if there is a connection?
Well, supposedly, SP left no fingerprints, blood, or hair evidence (that I'm aware of). IMO, that's why he was completely covered. I don't know if there are bullets that were collected, or shells. I think that may have been why it appeared he'd tried to clean up. He was looking for anything that could connect him to the crime scene.

This is a HUGE case and I suspect, police and the DA won't proceed until there is an iron clad case. A confession maybe?

There are too many coincidences at the crime scene as I listed above plus everywhere and everything else. On previous threads, I have listed the coincidences. There are lots of them. But others have answered why they don't see them as coincidences. Mine is not a popular stance.

There are things and people connected to this case that strike me as odd and or just.....off. Always has and still does. But this is as specific as I'll get.
 
  • #207
Not Razz, but maybe because they have been hands-off of extended family from the beginning. Why? JMO
So you think family did it. But were they really hands-off from the very beginning? Seems like there was a lot of activity related to family at the very beginning. All the warrants naming family and referring to problems in the marriage, and so forth. But let’s just say they were way too hands-off as you said. these other agencies and detective associations that have reviewed the case since then... wouldn’t they have pointed that out as something for the local police to revisit?
 
  • #208
So you think family did it. But were they really hands-off from the very beginning? Seems like there was a lot of activity related to family at the very beginning. All the warrants naming family and referring to problems in the marriage, and so forth. But let’s just say they were way too hands-off as you said. these other agencies and detective associations that have reviewed the case since then... wouldn’t they have pointed that out as something for the local police to revisit?

One would think so. I don't know more than anyone else about family. Yes, Family members who were listed on the phone warrant were interviewed, and alibis were accepted. I have no idea if family members who were not listed were ever interviewed by LE extensively. Some were interviewed by Media, or, at least, given the chance to tell their stories. But, I understand that without any probable cause , investigators couldn't just intrude on people and interrogate them. It just seems to me that anyone who knew Missy well would have SOME idea of who may have had her in their sights-- whether or not their hate for her was for something she had done to them, real or imagined. It's possible that people kept their suspicions to themselves, because if they were correct, it would make the tragedy of her murder even more tragic for those who loved her.
If SP was just some random bumbling burglar, equipped to kill, then they are lucky. They got away unsuspected and unscathed. JMO
 
  • #209
IMO you can’t compare a dwelling, where small things of value could be stashed all over the place, to a church that will likely only have cash and electronics as things of value that would appeal to a burglar. Like there are not going to be small items like earrings, rings, etc. in a church, so there’s no need to turn the entire place upside down.
Cash can be pretty small. So can blank check books (riskier, but I imagine a good number of burglars might not care. Or, they would sell the checkbooks to somebody willing to take the risk).

I can agree with you regarding the low probability of cash and checkbooks being kept in Sunday school rooms.

But.... I think a burglar making a concentrated search for cash would turn upside down anything remotely office like as well as filing rooms etc.
 
  • #210
But.... I think a burglar making a concentrated search for cash would turn upside down anything remotely office like as well as filing rooms etc.
Isn’t it possible that that is exactly what happened here? We were told that a filing room was left in disarray. As for the offices, we don’t know that they were turned upside down. But we also don’t know that they weren’t.
 
  • #211
Isn’t it possible that that is exactly what happened here? We were told that a filing room was left in disarray. As for the offices, we don’t know that they were turned upside down. But we also don’t know that they weren’t.
The video released by LE is what, between 2 and 2.5 minutes long. The killer first shows up on video at approx. 3:50 AM. I've heard different times on when Missy enters the church, but it is evidently between 4:16 AM and 4:20 AM. Assuming Missy is attacked immediately after entering the church that is 26-30 minutes. That is roughly 23-28 minutes that we, the public, can't account for. LE likely has much more video, but only in the hallways as there are no cameras in the rooms from my recollection. A lot could have occurred in that time that LE has not shown us. As you point out we don't know what this killer did or didn't do.
 
  • #212
As I mentioned a few posts back, tool marks from the instruments used by SP can be as good or better than a fingerprint. Burglars, like us, are habitual creatures. We like to do things that work for us over and over. Burglars generally have "kits" that are comprised of their preferred tools for B&E. Those tools have machine marks (much like the striations on the insides of gun barrels). Those machine marks leave impressions in whatever they strike. Whether a door, a window casing, the trunk of a car, the impressions are the same, because the tool used to make the marks is the same. Think of the study of those markings as a kind of "tool ballistics".

If I'm not mistaken, tool markings were very important in the case of Daniel Harold Rolling, known as The Gainesville Ripper. He was an American serial killer who murdered five students in Gainesville, Florida, over four days in late August 1990. His MO was using a screw driver to pry open sliding glass doors to gain entry. To my knowledge, he didn't leave fingerprints. As this was the period before DNA was an acceptable investigative tool, police relied on standard police investigative techniques. Tips from people who had known Rolling raised police suspicions and they began a search for him. As it turns out, he had been arrested on a shoplifting charge which gave the PD cause to search his woodland campsite. It was there that they found more incriminating evidence, including his burglary kit containing the screwdriver used to gain entry into the students' dorms. The tool marks from the doors matched tool marks reproduced by the tool itself. As good as a fingerprint. So there is another instance where toolmarks contributed to solving serial murders.

This case is baffling to a great degree, but not unsolvable as far as I can see. If SP left his tools behind and even if he didn't...well, the marks they left behind may well compare to marks left behind during less tragic prior break-ins, where cars were seen entering or leaving a crime scene or witnesses were able to provide, if only, hazy descriptions of the perp. The fabric of a case is comprised of many single threads of evidence woven sometimes painstakingly over a long period of time and a number of possibly linkable cases.

If you look a few posts back, you'll see my post about the crime statistics for Midlothian in 2016. The overwhelming number of those crimes were property crimes. Did SP break in elsewhere? Before or after this crime? Seems like there's a lot of B&E action going on...but only one murder. Missy's murder. It looks like SP added a gun to his burglary toolkit. That's called "escalation". A bad sign for Midlothian.
 
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That is roughly 23-28 minutes that we, the public, can't account for. LE likely has much more video, but only in the hallways as there are no cameras in the rooms from my recollection. A lot could have occurred in that time that LE has not shown us. As you point out we don't know what this killer did or didn't do.

I used to agree, but man, after hearing from Gumshoe Stories that there were only cameras at the NE and SE corners of the building -- I'm really wondering. I think there's a real possibility that there just isn't much more footage.
 
  • #214
This is a great analysis by Chris, completely brilliant. Thanks @Gumshoe Stories. I totally get it now and am switching to the burglary gone wrong group, makes the most logical sense. I hadn't realised he had a GPS on the dash when he was leaving the carpark, which Chris points out - I reckon that's what he was looking at when he was parked, had it in his hand looking for locations to rob .... he was on the prowl for a place to burgle. So, he's very methodical. He probably didn't steal anything from the church because the way he works he needed to enter each room to check them out, then maybe do another round of them to see what he wanted to take, then maybe another round to take his stash ........ but that's when Missy entered the building and all hell broke loose. MOO.
 
  • #215
After careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that this crime was committed by someone (male) between 17 - 22 years old, an unsophisticated, clumsy burglar who dressed like a cop, because he has authority problems (psychopathy), who ran into someone he didn't anticipate being there. Seeing Missy blew his mind, he panicked and killed her.
B&E gone wrong. I believe the MPD have this guy somewhere in their Juvenile Offender - B&E files from between 2012 - 2016.
 
  • #216
After careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that this crime was committed by someone (male) between 17 - 22 years old, an unsophisticated, clumsy burglar who dressed like a cop, because he has authority problems (psychopathy), who ran into someone he didn't anticipate being there. Seeing Missy blew his mind, he panicked and killed her.
B&E gone wrong. I believe the MPD have this guy somewhere in their Juvenile Offender - B&E files from between 2012 - 2016.

Oh yeah? Well then I flip. I now think it's targeted. You don't need to kill someone when you're in a cop uniform that clearly says Police. You can just say you're investigating a crime and ask them to leave, then escape.

It could be a hit that's explained and paid for in cash in person, so no trails. A hitman irl is more like an ex-con who is a friend of a friend (of a friend), so no connections.

I think the crowbar might also have been used to kill, making it more brutal, puncture wounds and lot of blood. IMO
 
  • #217
Agree that Missy's murder was a one-off event. Nothing like had/has happened before or after. Targeted or a weird happenstance? ??

I'd like to know more about the helmet. Seems it would be easy enough to identify the make and model.
Good point gliving, the helmet is indeed interesting. It doesn't appear to be a motorbike helmet, no visor ... is it made of plastic? Having a look around, very interesting. Trying to zoom in on the darn thing ........ I do believe I've crossed the line into obsession with this case ..... ah well :rolleyes:
 
  • #218
After careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that this crime was committed by someone (male) between 17 - 22 years old, an unsophisticated, clumsy burglar who dressed like a cop, because he has authority problems (psychopathy), who ran into someone he didn't anticipate being there. Seeing Missy blew his mind, he panicked and killed her.
B&E gone wrong. I believe the MPD have this guy somewhere in their Juvenile Offender - B&E files from between 2012 - 2016.

This is the table I’m sitting at, these days. Pretty much word for word.
 
  • #219
Burglar
Professional Burglar
Bumbling Burglar
Pretend Burglar

Does a Burglar usually carry a weapon, a gun?

I thought carrying a gun makes burglary a more serious charge should one be caught. Maybe Texas is different.
How does this concealed carry of a weapon factor into the mix?
 
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Oh yeah? Well then I flip. I now think it's targeted. You don't need to kill someone when you're in a cop uniform that clearly says Police. You can just say you're investigating a crime and ask them to leave, then escape.

It could be a hit that's explained and paid for in cash in person, so no trails. A hitman irl is more like an ex-con who is a friend of a friend (of a friend), so no connections.

I think the crowbar might also have been used to kill, making it more brutal, puncture wounds and lot of blood. IMO
He's certainly an idiot with no self-control. He could have put one in her head at the front door - clean and home free. He's the kind of idiot who gets expelled from Hitman University for being a bumbling jerk who leaves his tools of the trade behind. His perception of risk level went from 1 to 10 on the Richter scale of fear - instantly. Sure, he used whatever was on hand. He wanted her dead, dead, dead. The stakes were pretty high for this guy. Maybe, he's on probation. Nobody wants to break probation, add a B&E/gun charge to their biography and up their chances of going to prison. The only thing this fool earned was a possible death sentence.
 
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