TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, Midlothian, 18 Apr 2016 #47

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@MsBetsy, she had multiple puncture wounds on her head and chest. I take that to mean more than two. I haven't heard which wound was the actual COD. :)
Oh, ok, I thought multiple could mean one in the chest and one on her head. Either way, they may have all been gunshot wounds. LE probably won't reveal certain info that only the perp knows. I also thought there may have been a quick struggle, and she tried to fight back. So he first could have tried using something like the hammer to strike her in the head, and when that didn't work, used his gun. Imo
 
I'm waiting for something more definitive than a non-profit org before I'm firm on gunshot wounds.
You don't trust the FBI? It's their info, and on their own website. All the non-profit did was use what the FBI provided.

And "multiple" only tells us there was "more than one" wound. That's the meaning of the word. It doesn't mean there were necessarily three or more. Since she was wounded in two locations, head and chest, we can separately ascertain the minimum would be two.

In speaking of how MB was killed and injuries, LE was very sparse, vague, and imo deliberately deft in their wording in an attempt to tell the public as little as possible. It's easy to read into it (perhaps erroneously) more or different details than they actually specified.
 
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You don't trust the FBI? It's their info, and on their own website. All the non-profit did was use what the FBI provided.

And "multiple" only tells us there was "more than one" wound. That's the meaning of the word. It doesn't mean there were necessarily three or more. Since she was wounded in two locations, head and chest, we can separately ascertain the minimum would be two.

In speaking of how MB was killed and injuries, LE was very sparse, vague, and imo deliberately deft in their wording in an attempt to tell the public as little as possible. It's easy to read into it (perhaps erroneously) more or different details than they actually specified.

I believe the data is coming from MurderData.ORG with the FBI database as the source? How reliable is that data? It seems there is mis-information or no information on some other cases as per the comments in this yt -

The PD says:

"He said the gun that was found at the scene was confirmed to belong to Bever. It was not used during the crime and was located in her car."

Midlothian Police Vow to Solve Missy Bever's Murder Case on Three-Year Anniversary

How sure are we that a gun was the COD?
 
I believe the data is coming from MurderData.ORG with the FBI database as the source? How reliable is that data? It seems there is mis-information or no information on some other cases as per the comments in this yt -

The PD says:

"He said the gun that was found at the scene was confirmed to belong to Bever. It was not used during the crime and was located in her car."

Midlothian Police Vow to Solve Missy Bever's Murder Case on Three-Year Anniversary

How sure are we that a gun was the COD?
This is what gets me. From day one, that simple question hasn't been answered satisfactorily or corroborated. Rightly so for investigative purposes. Wrongly so for the residents of Midlothian and other interested parties. Murder investigations tend to cut both ways. LE isn't going to hand over the goodies: the autopsy, the CCTV we haven't seen, their suspect list, a full report of their progress. All of it handicaps complete and accurate analysis.

The fact is SP murdered someone. Whether he bashed her heart and head with a claw hammer, or raked her heart and brain out of her body with a prybar, or he blew two holes in her, MB was murdered. The clues available to us are few: Sp's odd attire, behavior on CCTV, physical oddities. That's it. Everything else is an intuitive guess based on our life's experience, familiarity with some criminal behaviors and our burning desire to see justice done...there are motherless children. We want to help.

If anything comes of these kinds of murders, let's hope they convey the message that anywhere the public gathers or money changes hands, the best CCTV equipment must be available and in good working order. This blurry, stop motion stuff has got to go. Cheaping out on as important a security measure as cameras is indicative of how little proprietors and administrators value human life. Why bother if you're going to hand over a series of smudges to LE when a service person or innocent visitor is blown away? Lives are more important than the few pennies saved by not upgrading or maintaining surveillance.

I can't wait for this idiot to be captured.
 
This is what gets me. From day one, that simple question hasn't been answered satisfactorily or corroborated. Rightly so for investigative purposes. Wrongly so for the residents of Midlothian and other interested parties. Murder investigations tend to cut both ways. LE isn't going to hand over the goodies: the autopsy, the CCTV we haven't seen, their suspect list, a full report of their progress. All of it handicaps complete and accurate analysis.

The fact is SP murdered someone. Whether he bashed her heart and head with a claw hammer, or raked her heart and brain out of her body with a prybar, or he blew two holes in her, MB was murdered. The clues available to us are few: Sp's odd attire, behavior on CCTV, physical oddities. That's it. Everything else is an intuitive guess based on our life's experience, familiarity with some criminal behaviors and our burning desire to see justice done...there are motherless children. We want to help.

If anything comes of these kinds of murders, let's hope they convey the message that anywhere the public gathers or money changes hands, the best CCTV equipment must be available and in good working order. This blurry, stop motion stuff has got to go. Cheaping out on as important a security measure as cameras is indicative of how little proprietors and administrators value human life. Why bother if you're going to hand over a series of smudges to LE when a service person or innocent visitor is blown away? Lives are more important than the few pennies saved by not upgrading or maintaining surveillance.

I can't wait for this idiot to be captured.

? Not so idiotic to have avoided capture. Maybe the crime scene should have been more seriously inspected. I agree with you that if a place of business is serious about security, it will have WORKING cameras that cover the building inside and out. JMO
 
How sure are we that a gun was the COD?

Unless we are going down the rabbit hole of calling into question the few facts we have been given by LE, we are very sure.

Death by gunshot
Weapon - "Handgun - pistol, revolver, etc"

This has been much discussed. The info is on Murder Accountability Project site, and that came from the FBI. It's also on the FBI site (and says the very same thing, with no added info - I looked). Unfortunately the FBI site is a nightmare to navigate, but I wanted to see if they had anything additional, so I went to the trouble myself, to see what was there, and it was in a slightly different format, but the same info. The things LE has told us are able to align completely with this info. We don't have anything forcing us farther than "perp shot her a couple of times and ran away" although more is always possible.
 
Unless we are going down the rabbit hole of calling into question the few facts we have been given by LE, we are very sure.

Death by gunshot
Weapon - "Handgun - pistol, revolver, etc"

This has been much discussed. The info is on Murder Accountability Project site, and that came from the FBI. It's also on the FBI site (and says the very same thing, with no added info - I looked). Unfortunately the FBI site is a nightmare to navigate, but I wanted to see if they had anything additional, so I went to the trouble myself, to see what was there, and it was in a slightly different format, but the same info. The things LE has told us are able to align completely with this info. We don't have anything forcing us farther than "perp shot her a couple of times and ran away" although more is always possible.

Steve, it's OK if you have worked out a scenario that you are satisfied with, but you must admit that the idea that Missy was shot "a couple of times" is your contribution. It s not a fact. If the FBI report is to be believed, then we can assume that she was shot and died from A gunshot wound. That's all we know. We know that she had puncture wounds consistent with the tools SP was carrying around. JMO
 
Well, alrighty then. It can be said that individually, we have multiple eyes, multiple ears, multiple arms and multiple legs. Interesting....JMO
Multiple does technically mean more than one. The number of wounds is, at this point, only known to the ME and police and the perpetrator.

If an informant or perpetrator were ever to confess, he or she would know how many times Missy was struck.

JMO.
 
Steve, it's OK if you have worked out a scenario that you are satisfied with, but you must admit that the idea that Missy was shot "a couple of times" is your contribution. It s not a fact. If the FBI report is to be believed, then we can assume that she was shot and died from A gunshot wound. That's all we know. We know that she had puncture wounds consistent with the tools SP was carrying around. JMO

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I have said, and continue to say, that the simplest scenario that also fits all we have been told is two shots, to satisfy puncture wounds to the head and to the chest. That is correct.

As we have discussed before, among the tools could have been a gun, the tool used to shoot someone. And all those puncture wounds can be from bullets, which would require 2 in order to puncture both head and chest.

She died from a head wound, and from a gunshot, and the chest wound could have been from a bullet, or not.

We don't haven't been told that there's anything more than that to look for.

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Multiple does technically mean more than one. The number of wounds is, at this point, only known to the ME and police and the perpetrator.

If an informant or perpetrator were ever to confess, he or she would know how many times Missy was struck.

JMO.
Yes, that is technically correct, I think most of us know that. Most of us also know that colloquially "multiple" means a non-specific bunch. So, if the minimum of multiple is TWO and it fits with an individual's scenario, then, fine. But the actual number of wounds and from where they came still remains non-specific. I don't pretend to know what the actual number is. I haven't seen the autopsy report. JMO
 
? Not so idiotic to have avoided capture. Maybe the crime scene should have been more seriously inspected. I agree with you that if a place of business is serious about security, it will have WORKING cameras that cover the building inside and out. JMO
SP is lucky...so far. He/they own it outright. You have to be an idiot to saddle yourself with something like this for a lifetime.
I love it when cops show up at Florida condos with arrest warrants for 75 year old murderers.
 
The wonderful thing about forensic genealogy is that you can grab your grandpappy's hammer off his workbench while wearing gloves, stuff it into your burglar kit, break in somewhere, leave it at the scene and still get caught, because HIS DNA is embedded into the handle. I love it that you don't have to be a registered member of CODIS to get snapped up by LE. I admit, I have a serious love affair going on with PARABON.

I'm not saying that happened in this case, but the delicious notion that a single DNA helix might have in some way transferred from SP to MB is the stuff of dreams.
I'm an old duffer, but if I was looking to select a career in LE that would have significant impact on our culture and pay well, it would be forensic genealogy.
 
SP is lucky...so far. He/they own it outright. You have to be an idiot to saddle yourself with something like this for a lifetime.
I love it when cops show up at Florida condos with arrest warrants for 75 year old murderers.
I get the sentiment that it’s nice when someone faces justice but it actually pisses me off that killers get to live their whole life after taking someone else’s.

I mean going to prison at 75? Who cares? You’ve lived your life.

Or the case recently, the Patricia Kalitzke and Duane Bogle case, the killer died in 2007. So yay it’s solved, but the killer never was brought to justice.
 
Exactly how do you unload yourself of a hammer and prybar, fumble for a gun and manage to pull off two shots?
Exactly how do you shoot a gun with chunky gloves on?
You've got to stick your chunky finger into the trigger and pull.
How do you do that in mere seconds?
 
I get the sentiment that it’s nice when someone faces justice but it actually pisses me off that killers get to live their whole life after taking someone else’s.

I mean going to prison at 75? Who cares? You’ve lived your life.

Or the case recently, the Patricia Kalitzke and Duane Bogle case, the killer died in 2007. So yay it’s solved, but the killer never was brought to justice.
Ask the family members if it matters. People suffer immeasurably when they have no answers. Generation to generation.
 
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Exactly how do you unload yourself of a hammer and prybar, fumble for a gun and manage to pull off two shots?
Exactly how do you shoot a gun with chunky gloves on?
You've got to stick your chunky finger into the trigger and pull.
How do you do that in mere seconds?

By wearing tactical gloves with open finger design (Thumb, index, and middle finger) IMO for instance.

-Nin
 
Exactly how do you unload yourself of a hammer and prybar, fumble for a gun and manage to pull off two shots?
Exactly how do you shoot a gun with chunky gloves on?
You've got to stick your chunky finger into the trigger and pull.
How do you do that in mere seconds?

Good questions.

We don't know that there were only "mere seconds" but that could been the case. Then again, could the perp have left 10 minutes after MB arrived, allowing a much bigger window?

We don't know that they took gloves off, but they could have. Then again, are there gloves he could have been wearing that wouldn't have been necessary to remove to fire a gun?

We don't know that perp had to unload a hammer/prybar in order to fire, but that could been the case. Then again, if he's going to shoot, dropping (or setting down) everything might not have mattered in the moment; or, maybe they were already discarded on the floor already, for some reason.

But excellent questions to look at and consider the varying possibilities imo.
 
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I have said, and continue to say, that the simplest scenario that also fits all we have been told is two shots, to satisfy puncture wounds to the head and to the chest. That is correct.

As we have discussed before, among the tools could have been a gun, the tool used to shoot someone. And all those puncture wounds can be from bullets, which would require 2 in order to puncture both head and chest.

She died from a head wound, and from a gunshot, and the chest wound could have been from a bullet, or not.

We don't haven't been told that there's anything more than that to look for.

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This isn't accurate. LE wouldn't use the term "puncture wounds" to refer to bullet wounds. I've been following true crime cases since 1987, and I have never seen bullet wounds described as puncture wounds—not once.
 
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This isn't accurate. LE wouldn't use the term "puncture wounds" to refer to bullet wounds. I've been following true crime cases since 1987, and I have never seen bullet wounds described as puncture wounds—not once.

Neither have I. I suspect that EMS did not recognize the bullet wound(s?). After the autopsy, LE knew that she had been shot as well as "punctured", but never clarified that publicly because they wanted to keep the fact that she was shot under wraps. That may be why they belatedly brought in the ATF sniffer dog, unfortunately after they had released the crime scene. JMO
 
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