TX TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, Midlothian, 18 Apr 2016 #48

[pseudo_hum]

I am curious what a burglar would steal from a church? Sundays collection? What else?

 

[Ozoner]

I lean towards it being targeted as well. If it wasn’t targeted , why did the perp kill her at all. Why not just flee? Or at least, just knock her out.

With their disguise she would have had no idea who they were. Why kill her?
It makes no sense, unless they had a habit of killing people? And do people like that bother with such elaborate disguises? Maybe, idk.

That, and it all seemed to be too much to be simply coincidental.

It really reminds me of something from a horror movie like “Scream”. Unfortunately it wasn’t just a movie.

Over the years, numerous unarmed people have been killed by burglars whom they interrupted. Why did any of those burglars kill instead of fleeing?

Getting caught in the act seems to trigger a violent response fairly often. It probably has to do with a mixture of shame, anger, and adrenaline triggering a fight-or-flight response.

There are burglars in prison for life right now for killing people who interrupted them when those burglars could have fled and only served a few years even if they had been caught.

These guys aren't too adept at weighing the risks and rewards. If they were, they probably wouldn't be committing B&Es.

I am curious what a burglar would steal from a church? Sundays collection? What else?

The Sunday collection would almost certainly be the incentive, IMO. In the case of this church, the Sunday collection might not have been there, but the burglar wouldn't have known that.

 

[somequestions]

If it was an interrupted burglary, what about the supposed broken glass around Missy Bever's body, from the case in the northwest part of the hallway?

I understand we do not know what the police know or what actually happened because it was not captured on the surveillance cameras. Maybe the burglar had already broken the glass case? Maybe they accidentally shot the case before shooting Missy, if she was indeed shot? It seems like an insignificant detail.

 

[neesaki]

Over the years, numerous unarmed people have been killed by burglars whom they interrupted. Why did any of those burglars kill instead of fleeing?

Getting caught in the act seems to trigger a violent response fairly often. It probably has to do with a mixture of shame, anger, and adrenaline triggering a fight-or-flight response.

There are burglars in prison for life right now for killing people who interrupted them when those burglars could have fled and only served a few years even if they had been caught.

These guys aren't too adept at weighing the risks and rewards. If they were, they probably wouldn't be committing B&Es.



The Sunday collection would almost certainly be the incentive, IMO. In the case of this church, the Sunday collection might not have been there, but the burglar wouldn't have known that.

It seems he would have had something to haul out the stolen goods.
I guess he could have had a ziplock bag stuffed in his jacket. They come in all sizes.
If it wasn’t targeted, it almost seems to me he was just there to be a troublemaker and destroy property. Maybe he’d been doing drugs or is a church hater, or both. Maybe mentally unstable and bored.

It’s just odd he was there at the time MB was. A highly unlikely coincidence, but I guess anything’s possible. Only MO

 

[Ozoner]

It seems he would have had something to haul out the stolen goods.
I guess he could have had a ziplock bag stuffed in his jacket. They come in all sizes.
If it wasn’t targeted, it almost seems to me he was just there to be a troublemaker and destroy property. Maybe he’d been doing drugs or is a church hater, or both. Maybe mentally unstable and bored.

It’s just odd he was there at the time MB was. A highly unlikely coincidence, but I guess anything’s possible. Only MO

But the time he was there was the time when B&Es of businesses typically occur—the wee hours of the morning.

Not only that, but if someone had it in his mind to try to steal the Sunday collections from a church, the wee hours of a Monday morning would be exactly when he would attempt it.

What was unusual Missy's presence at that time because you wouldn't usually have a non-burglar entering a church that early.

 

[Megnut]

Had it been sunny, would M still be alive?

It reads like the script to a B movie. Empty church, prowler, dark of night, thunderstorm. Woman hears a sound and, while the audience shrieks, "get out of there, go the other way" she moves toward Jason and his hockey mask.

Had her session been canceled, what was the vandal's next move? Maybe that's what we're missing. It wasn't a hit, it wasn't a burglary, what if it was simply vandalism? Play-acting, maybe a loner, maybe a gamer on a dare, maybe fantasy role-playing.

Could the perp be surprisingly young? Maybe, if the parking lot vehicle is related to the crime, the perp was weighing vandalizing that property, before choosing the church instead.

Maybe the murder was the result of a clouded brain, an over-active limbic brain. Save thineself.

Family car back in the garage, parents unaware. Police costume destroyed.

Can we rule out someone 16 to 20?

JMO

 

[windrower]

Random victim in the middle of the night? Most likely not.

Toxic jealousy is a thing and whoever was in this kind of relationship probably can confirm that it doesn't matter what facts are, what matters is the crazyness that goes on in jealous person's mind. Fitness/gym/pool trainers are especially good candidates as people to be jealous about and they can have no clue that something is going on, cause in reality nothing is going on.

Since all "usual" suspects were checked, investigated and ruled out IMO if Missy was not a random victim, then she was targeted by someone who managed to draw no attention to themselves during the investigation - and not cause they were criminal masterminds, but cause their motive was crazy enough to be unforeseen and with rather loose ties to her.

rsabbm

And to be clear, the following is just my opinion and a lot of supposition, based off known facts, being a true crime fan, and intuition honed by my life experiences.

I’ve thought from the beginning that the perp is a woman, and one with fairly close ties to Missy, within her extended family. I think Missy was targeted, and that her death took care of a couple of “problems.”

I’m a great fan of LE, but I’ve read of other cases where gender bias has played a role. Because who thinks some sweet, supportive, soccer mom (how’s that for a stereotype?) could, or would, commit a horrific murder?

I hope justice is coming for Missy.

IMO

I am curious what a burglar would steal from a church? Sundays collection? What else?

^^^ This. Most American churches I’ve visited do not have gold candelabras or silver artifacts or small, expensive items that lend themselves to stealing and selling. Especially, maybe, small town churches of Christ, the church of which I am a member (in a small town in Wyoming). And our Sunday collection (mostly checks, anyway) leaves with our treasuer or another member for either a night or Monday deposit. Many of our members now don’t even use the collection basket, but have an ACH set up with their banks for an automatic deposit, weekly or monthly.

 

[beubeubeu]

Snipped.

You must have missed my earlier comment.

I have driven around a building exactly that way more than once—sometimes at night—if I'm lost and want to find the address on the build. Addresses are usually even on one side of the street and odd on the other side of the street, so just knowing whether I'm on the "odd" side or the "even" side could be useful to me when I'm lost if I'm looking for a particular address.

It's also useful to know which direction I need to travel for the addresses to go up or down, so I will sometimes try to find the addresses on two different buildings.

Thanks. It would be pretty good explanation if it was just a random building or with assumption that driver is relying on paper map to navigate. But it's a store, so neon signs should be enough to put its name into GPS or a phone and figure out the location. It's not a chain store, so even if they were confused about the city, it should be enough. And they're not really circling around the store as much as around the whole parking lot.
+ Address is well lit and visible on the "welcoming" edge of that building, below the neons.

Possible and sounds better than theories that include some connection to Missy's case, but it doesn't fit that well either. 2016 GPS should be able to tell where the driver is and where they're heading. Maybe making sure that parking lot is really empty and nobody will suddenly show up to rob them as the driver will stop to check/reset their device but in that case LE would locate the owner long ago since they have specific time when they were there.

Locals having 4 mins lon cheating session is also... their devices should be traceable to the very least. And if turned off, that'd be still local car. Which neither LE nor any local, outraged by the fact that their neighbour may be fooling around near where woman was getting murdered at church.

 

[beubeubeu]

I am curious what a burglar would steal from a church? Sundays collection? What else?

Electronics. Microphones, musical instruments, laptops, screens, keyboards, loudspeakers and so on. Few were stealing coats and jackets but those were sneaking into the changing rooms during the day.

Sunday collections didn't seem to be a big thing as far as those videos I watched were concerned. Some reported burglaries happened in churches that had no surveillance, but if surveillance is there, then it seems to mean that church is conscious enough to not leave donations behind in empty building. Only times when Sunday donations were stolen was if priests rooms were in same building and also attacked/burglarized.
Boxes with kids/community long term and goal oriented (like to fund a wheelchair or a well in Africa) were getting stolen but not that much money in those.

/Judging only by what I recently watched and read to compare the burglars behaviour.

But the burglar may be not after actually was in the church but what they believed was there. Unprepared to take electronics.

 

[evilwise]

I don't think this was a burglary or even a fake burglary. I think it was prowling/vandalism

I think that Missy actually initiated the confrontation with the perpetrator.

 

[lonetraveler]

Electronics. Microphones, musical instruments, laptops, screens, keyboards, loudspeakers and so on. Few were stealing coats and jackets but those were sneaking into the changing rooms during the day.

Sunday collections didn't seem to be a big thing as far as those videos I watched were concerned. Some reported burglaries happened in churches that had no surveillance, but if surveillance is there, then it seems to mean that church is conscious enough to not leave donations behind in empty building. Only times when Sunday donations were stolen was if priests rooms were in same building and also attacked/burglarized.
Boxes with kids/community long term and goal oriented (like to fund a wheelchair or a well in Africa) were getting stolen but not that much money in those.

/Judging only by what I recently watched and read to compare the burglars behaviour.

But the burglar may be not after actually was in the church but what they believed was there. Unprepared to take electronics.

I'm sorry but I really don't think that a burglar would wear a police uniform and walk around, taking their time like they are waiting for someone's arrival. The burglar would get in, and get out as fast as possible.

 

[beubeubeu]

I'm sorry but I really don't think that a burglar would wear a police uniform and walk around, taking their time like they are waiting for someone's arrival. The burglar would get in, and get out as fast as possible.

I was just answering the question with what I saw reported as stolen in other church burglaries in US. And that seems to be mostly electronics, less often some money from donations.

This perp's actions and outfit are unusual no matter what you believe/consider was their goal.
Targeted murder? - bizarre execution.
Attempted burglary? - bizarre execution.
Vandalism? - bizarre execution.

Not acting like in a hurry is not that unusual for burglaries, at least those covered in media that I could access.
This outfit is unusual.
The amount of effort taken to make sure that they're not recognisable despite of the presence of surveillance is unusual.

The mixture of being super conscious about steps needed to remain unrecognisable yet unusually ineffective and unefficient with burglarising (or possibly vandalism that was mentioned not long ago) is unusual.

 

[Ozoner]

Thanks. It would be pretty good explanation if it was just a random building or with assumption that driver is relying on paper map to navigate. But it's a store, so neon signs should be enough to put its name into GPS or a phone and figure out the location. It's not a chain store, so even if they were confused about the city, it should be enough. And they're not really circling around the store as much as around the whole parking lot.
+ Address is well lit and visible on the "welcoming" edge of that building, below the neons.

Possible and sounds better than theories that include some connection to Missy's case, but it doesn't fit that well either. 2016 GPS should be able to tell where the driver is and where they're heading. Maybe making sure that parking lot is really empty and nobody will suddenly show up to rob them as the driver will stop to check/reset their device but in that case LE would locate the owner long ago since they have specific time when they were there.

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Locals having 4 mins lon cheating session is also... their devices should be traceable to the very least. And if turned off, that'd be still local car. Which neither LE nor any local, outraged by the fact that their neighbour may be fooling around near where woman was getting murdered at church.

I have a Smart phone. I don't know whether it has GPS, but if it does, I would have no idea how to use it. I don't think most people would.

 

[somequestions]

It appears according to the interview with Missy Bever's sister-in-law that the glass case was already broken and that maybe Missy Bevers had observed that broken glass down the hall as she walked in the church?

On the other hand, if the glass case was still intact and the glass Missy Bevers observed was from something else, that would mean a possible physical confrontation between Missy and the burglar which is really strange as I think most burglars, especially if they had a gun, would simply shoot their victim and leave. The question would then be how did the glass case get broken?

Is it true nothing was stolen from the church??? Was the glass case in the northwest corner broken or not???

The thing about glass cases is that they are different than doors. You can see what is inside without opening them or breaking the glass.

 

[beubeubeu]

I have a Smart phone. I don't know whether it has GPS, but if it does, I would have no idea how to use it. I don't think most people would.

Oh right! Classic GPS installed in the car wouldn't be traceable yet it'd still give as much light as smartphone/tablet screen.

If the driver was really confused then they might be circling around and hoping to see a worker or security guard to ask for directions.

 

[neesaki]

rsabbm

And to be clear, the following is just my opinion and a lot of supposition, based off known facts, being a true crime fan, and intuition honed by my life experiences.

I’ve thought from the beginning that the perp is a woman, and one with fairly close ties to Missy, within her extended family. I think Missy was targeted, and that her death took care of a couple of “problems.”

I’m a great fan of LE, but I’ve read of other cases where gender bias has played a role. Because who thinks some sweet, supportive, soccer mom (how’s that for a stereotype?) could, or would, commit a horrific murder?

I hope justice is coming for Missy.

IMO



^^^ This. Most American churches I’ve visited do not have gold candelabras or silver artifacts or small, expensive items that lend themselves to stealing and selling. Especially, maybe, small town churches of Christ, the church of which I am a member (in a small town in Wyoming). And our Sunday collection (mostly checks, anyway) leaves with our treasuer or another member for either a night or Monday deposit. Many of our members now don’t even use the collection basket, but have an ACH set up with their banks for an automatic deposit, weekly or monthly.

Interesting…. I’ve also supposed that the perp was female. Who else, to be more spiteful and vindictive towards a female, than another female. Believe me, from my own experience, it’s highly possible! And no, I was not the perp!
Not to mention, just watch a few Lifetime movies, lol.
But seriously, not just that, but the stance and movement to me seems to be slightly more feminine than masculine. JMO

 

[neesaki]

rsabbm

And to be clear, the following is just my opinion and a lot of supposition, based off known facts, being a true crime fan, and intuition honed by my life experiences.

I’ve thought from the beginning that the perp is a woman, and one with fairly close ties to Missy, within her extended family. I think Missy was targeted, and that her death took care of a couple of “problems.”

I’m a great fan of LE, but I’ve read of other cases where gender bias has played a role. Because who thinks some sweet, supportive, soccer mom (how’s that for a stereotype?) could, or would, commit a horrific murder?

I hope justice is coming for Missy.

IMO



^^^ This. Most American churches I’ve visited do not have gold candelabras or silver artifacts or small, expensive items that lend themselves to stealing and selling. Especially, maybe, small town churches of Christ, the church of which I am a member (in a small town in Wyoming). And our Sunday collection (mostly checks, anyway) leaves with our treasuer or another member for either a night or Monday deposit. Many of our members now don’t even use the collection basket, but have an ACH set up with their banks for an automatic deposit, weekly or monthly.

I think the case of Gabby Petito might qualify, as one where LE seemed to downplay her emotional distress while giving her BF, Brian Laundry, pretty much a free pass. Just think if they hadn’t, she might be alive today. Who knows, right?
Just an example. Jmo

 

[neesaki]

I don't think this was a burglary or even a fake burglary. I think it was prowling/vandalism

I think that Missy actually initiated the confrontation with the perpetrator.

I wouldn’t doubt it.

 

[5W's]

Over the years, numerous unarmed people have been killed by burglars whom they interrupted. Why did any of those burglars kill instead of fleeing?

Getting caught in the act seems to trigger a violent response fairly often. It probably has to do with a mixture of shame, anger, and adrenaline triggering a fight-or-flight response.

There are burglars in prison for life right now for killing people who interrupted them when those burglars could have fled and only served a few years even if they had been caught.

These guys aren't too adept at weighing the risks and rewards. If they were, they probably wouldn't be committing B&Es.



The Sunday collection would almost certainly be the incentive, IMO. In the case of this church, the Sunday collection might not have been there, but the burglar wouldn't have known that.

But the context here is somewhat different it was an empty church as far as the perp knew. Was Missy far away from the perp when the perp decided to harm/kill her? These types of things have to be considered also.

 

[FromGermany1]

Interesting…. I’ve also supposed that the perp was female. Who else, to be more spiteful and vindictive towards a female, than another female. Believe me, from my own experience, it’s highly possible! And no, I was not the perp!
Not to mention, just watch a few Lifetime movies, lol.
But seriously, not just that, but the stance and movement to me seems to be slightly more feminine than masculine. JMO

I don't believe, a woman -however angry and jealous she might be - would wait for her rival in an empty church by night, wearing Swat gear, breaking glass here and there, having a gun ready and then attack Missy with gun AND tool in a flash, escaping like a ghost unseen.
Punkture wounds on Missy's chest could be seen as the angry act of a woman; on the other hand, upper body wounds are rather lethal, and a murderer would know it.
IMO of course