TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #13

[Deleted member 39678]

Never know if someone in the residence already has a DNA profile somewhere.. Military? some sort of legal issues? If they had DNA from the crime scene maybe could see if could get a hit (thinking out loud but yes think they would need a reference) But I not discounting them getting DNA from trash... jmho

I could have a fast food workers DNA on my trash or the checker from the grocery store. My trash may have someone else's DNA. The only way to tell if it's not mine is to get a known sample from me and not my trash.

 

[FelicityLemon]

AT called. Per his post.

I think that the neighbor saw AT's wife take out the trash and then saw two people came out of two parked cars and they took the trash.
The neighbor called AT.
AT posted about it.
Posters suggest he call the police (thinking identity thieves)
One poster suggested "feds, AT agreed, said he called and couldn't or wouldn't talk about it. (I can't remember exactly which)

I think that AT didn't want to discuss it there because he's professional and it has nothing to do with his business which is what his FB page is about.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Who called and left a message? The neighbors?

I don't know why he couldn't talk about it. Sounds like he's afraid to talk about it not that he was told not to talk about it.

AJ Tucker stated that he called the Mansfield PD (not the Midlothian PD) and left a message about someone getting his trash.. . The first post was around 7 -730ish iirc. around 11am posted that he called his PD and left a message then that night he post again after people had been commenting and said he found out and crazy story and cant talk about it. That all I know

 

[arkansasmimi]

while Midilothian is small compared to Dallas it by far is not a little town population has shot up greatly in that area as people are moving out of Dallas. Population is over 20000 by now as it was 18,037 in 2010. There is no way the police dept knows everyone.

Also ATucker lives in Mansfield so that too. I was meaning that may know some of the CG folks ... Yes it has grown. I have extended family spread all around. The city area is too big for me FT Worth WHEW it too big and spread out ... Same with all those towns around Dallas... Garland Plano .. Mesquite is really grown. Your correct....

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I went back and looked at the Google map of the church and area surrounding it. I had only glanced at it once or twice before now. It made me realize that the killer could have easily used a cellphone/handheld GPS and walked away/ATV/dirt bike from the scene to a waiting car.

Heading West towards Walnut Creek Road would be my first choice. I can't imagine them heading North into that neighborhood, too much of a risk of being seen. East towards the airport would be my last choice, there could be security patrolling, cameras, etc.

I wonder which way the responding fire and police units arrived from. I also wonder if the fields and that abandoned looking barn to the NW of the church have been searched? I'm sure a property owner would have no problem giving LE permission to search the fields.

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Yes, I've expressed the same (with map) in earlier threads. There are a few bodies of water up there, too, that someone could toss a rock-weighted duffle bag (with SWAT gear) into. Water is a great destroyer of evidence over time.

 

[SandyQLS]

Exactly! Probable Cause. Assuming a search warrant for the trash was granted, it means there was probable cause that convinced a judge to sign the warrant. I do assume it was a warranted search vs a couple of officers deciding to do it on their own time and I'm basing it on the post by AT that the neighbor told him two cars and two people took the bags. I know it's a lot of assuming (I'm an , I admit it) that it's a true story, but that's all I've got. Even if it was an off-duty trash grab, I'd still say that something made them curious or suspicious to want to investigate it. Something from phone records? Something that someone close to MB or her family told LE that we don't know about? Coincidence? Were there trash warrants for all the people who had phone warrants? Something made them want to check. Although I believe female suspect, I don't restrict it to that specific F.

LOL Trashgate certainly has rattled all the locals.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

AJ Tucker stated that he called the MPD and left a message about someone getting his trash.. . The first post was around 7 -730ish iirc. around 11am posted that he called his PD and left a message then that night he post again after people had been commenting and said he found out and crazy story and cant talk about it. That all I know

He probably found out it was not the police taking his trash and he didn't want to talk about it.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Or a reason to lawyer up...also not good.

We all have that right to lawyer up. LOL After following cases for years and reading up... I pray I never in the predicament but nope I will not speak (be very hard lol) but things can get twisted ... I not going to dis anyone from getting an attorney.

 

[arkansasmimi]

“Midlothian bills itself as the cement capital of North Texas. Now it's desperate for concrete answers.” From http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Murder-Mystery-Has-Midlothian-On-Edge-378491045.html

DONT FORGET TO POST ON THE MEDIA THREAD please :lookingitup:

 

[rotary_dial]

If they did do a trash pull it probably wasn't for DNA evidence. They were probably fishing for something connected to the murder or other crimes they may have discovered in the course of investigating the murder.

LE doesn't have to use what they found in court, but it could be used as another investigative tool to look into the life of the subject. Imagine how much you throw away. Empty pill bottles (could indicate health/mental issues), magazines (could indicate personal interests), bills/collection notices (could indicate financial situation), etc...



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[arkansasmimi]

Exactly! Probable Cause. Assuming a search warrant for the trash was granted, it means there was probable cause that convinced a judge to sign the warrant. I do assume it was a warranted search vs a couple of officers deciding to do it on their own time and I'm basing it on the post by AT that the neighbor told him two cars and two people took the bags. I know it's a lot of assuming (I'm an , I admit it) that it's a true story, but that's all I've got.

Even if it was an off-duty trash grab, I'd still say that something made them curious or suspicious to want to investigate it. Something from phone records? Something that someone close to MB or her family told LE that we don't know about? Coincidence? Were there trash warrants for all the people who had phone warrants?

Something made them want to check.

Although I believe female suspect, I don't restrict it to that specific F.

There has to be some search warrants that are sealed going by the numbers... surly they didnt start out at 50... and also they jump from 50 to 59 then 60... Nope there bunch somewhere lol. May not have executed... if executed they have to either get sealed or give copy to the clerk to file for public viewing.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Lots to think about ISTIFF I bolded a few words above that struck an old chord, recalling the very educated Jean Harris & Dr.Herman Tarnower murder case. Jean was always described as genteel and "so very proper"....until she just snapped when she being replaced by a prettier romantic rival.
People can suffer enormous pain when their relationship is threatened....sometimes manifesting an inconceivable anger. The T's loving couple, W's loving couple, RB/VB loving couple, C's loving couple....and BB & MB a couple going through financial & marital hardship. I'm intrigued when you wrote "it took months of planning to build this hatred." Are you thinking 2 months, 4 months, 10 months or 60 months? For whom would the killer have the greatest hatred....the person who steals your future or the person who steals your past? Maybe the perp felt both were being threatened? IDK Only the person(s) who perpetrated this awful crime will be able to tell us their motivation.

I am not ruling out that BB didnt have an affair too. Just the whole mannerism and something about the SIL that made me think that before I ever heard BB speak. JMHO and cant put my finger on it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If they did do a trash pull it probably wasn't for DNA evidence. They were probably fishing for something connected to the murder or other crimes they may have discovered in the course of investigating the murder.

LE doesn't have to use what they found in court, but it could be used as another investigative tool to look into the life of the subject. Imagine how much you throw away. Empty pill bottles (could indicate health/mental issues), magazines (could indicate personal interests), bills/collection notices (could indicate financial situation), etc...



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You make a good point.

LE could find things in the trash that could help in their investigation. I wonder what the admissibility of that evidence in court if it was obtained without a search warrant? I know that LE can take a suspects trash that's left out for collection but is any evidence found admissible?

 

[SandyQLS]

..SBM... length-brevity-clarity... 5. LE told us "other lives are at risk". Perp clearly had an axe to grind and felt betrayed or threatened by other lives. Was it sex? Affairs? Jealousy? Throwing open a less-discussed mind-set: could drugs play any part of all of this? Seriously. Could, in some nefarious way, drugs seriously be linked? Was someone paid,outed,warned or ... not paid? Did someone find out about drug dealings and feel threatened? Did someone owe money & due to their own terrible financial issues feel cornered? Was Missy's murder sending a "message" to the (perceived) target? Do LE wonder as much - hence they waned "other lives are at risk"? Did Missy discover/know something else? Was the trash, for example, take a week later when someone (not necessarily the perp) felt it was safer to trash X Y Z later, rather than sooner? If lives are still at risk...who could those people be? Suffice to say if LE believe this to be true, then everyone is being watched. And most definitely here on WS ...and the killer is likely reading here. Make absolutely no error on that score. 6. BB's Odd Media Statement: Simply odd to me, perhaps not so to many. BB said & as printed-which we've all read often enough : "....it's my children; what they will come to find out...". Here's why it's odd. Surely, if a man is trying to find out why/how his wife was murdered, he'd say "what we will come to find out". Could be innocent slip of the tongue, however I wondered: why is worried about what THEY will find out? We know, despite the innocent-until-proven-guilty (inside a court of law) nothing is innocent in a murder investigation. I certainly found it discomforting to see BB's dad jovial, smiling, laughing; as if this is not the worst news. May be so for him. Yet he has grand-kids. He at least owes them far more honor, breeding, dignity respect and love that they deserve...whatever his own emotions are ... at the terrible loss of their mom. Personally I found his demeanor a tad too flippant. That is NOT accusatory, it's merely my own observation. ...SBM...length-brevity-clarity...

5. I don't remember LE saying that. I thought LE said that they did NOT believe that others were at risk, tried to calm the community, implied it could have been targetted. 6. Add that comment to the wierd word choices of BB list, please. We have all heard and read it, and even though I am not sentimental, I took it as his sadness that somehow they would find out about the flirtatious and intimate messaging, the relationships outside the marriage (SW's). But now that you point it out, I am listening to it with a different set of ears, and in the context of the all the strange word choices of BB. role-playing, a game, opportunity, 10 months ago, "what THEY will come to find out". Murder Will Out. JMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

He probably found out it was not the police taking his trash and he didn't want to talk about it.

LOL ok I will agree to disagree with ya on this one buddy eace: .. but I a stickler for the facts and of the LEO doing a good job. Big LEO advocate but expect them to follow the law to the T

 

[eucalyptuz]

You make a good point.

LE could find things in the trash that could help in their investigation. I wonder what the admissibility of that evidence in court if it was obtained without a search warrant? I know that LE can take a suspects trash that's left out for collection but is any evidence found admissible?

Police are not required to have a warrant to search trash left on the street. It is actually an effective means of getting a lot of info on POIs without alerting them to the fact that they are in the frame...
ETA: missed the question part. I believe search warrants are subsequently generated because of stuff they have retrieved so it must be admissible.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The U.S. Supreme Court has decided that cops can search and seize abandoned property. In essence, once papers or contraband have been thrown into a trash receptacle, it is considered "abandoned" and anyone, including the police, can look through it and claim ownership. A trash search will not constitute an illegal search and seizure in the eyes of the law.

What is considered abandoned varies somewhat by state, however, most require that you take an affirmative step to discard the illegal items or evidence. For example, if you throw a list of your drug transactions in the trash bin inside your home, you are still maintaining control over the notes, meaning, you haven’t abandoned them yet. If the police come knocking on your door without a warrant, they can’t use the “abandoned" property or garbage exception to search the trash bins in your house. Therefore, if the search of your home is an illegal search the evidence contained in the trash receptacles will be exluded.

If you later dump the contents of the same trash can into a larger trash can in your backyard, you will probably have the same protection because your yard has many of the same protections as your residence from illegal search and seizures. However, once you dump the contents of the larger trash bin into the dumpster in your alley or you place the trash bin where the trash collectors usually come to pick it up, you have taken an affirmative step to abandon the property. Once abandoned, officers can search and seize any evidence found in your garbage. If your garbage is combined with garbage from neighbors, the police must still show that the items found came from your house. They must affirmatively link the evidence to you. As a rule of thumb, if there's anything you don't want to come back and bite you, invest in a shredder.



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[SandyQLS]

There has to be some search warrants that are sealed going by the numbers... surly they didnt start out at 50... and also they jump from 50 to 59 then 60... Nope there bunch somewhere lol. May not have executed... if executed they have to either get sealed or give copy to the clerk to file for public viewing.

You seem to know all about this.. I looked at the number sequencing as all SW for MPD for all cases. I agree they have more SW not released - imo many more - but all I saw was YEAR-###, and no case number included. This post should be in the form of a question ?

 

[Marie A]

Please know that I am not a cold-hearted person, but what I am about to say may sound a bit callous.

A few posts over the course of this case have mentioned that we members should watch what we say, how we say it, and about who we say it because family\friends\etc. of the victim may be reading here. Well, no, I don't agree.

WS is a site for dissemination, and speculation, about crimes, not a site for sugarcoating and hand-holding. As long as posters stay within the TOS, I don't think posters on this forum should have to worry about who is reading the posts. I assume a WS reader to be someone interested in the intricacies of a case, with a quest for justice for victims and their families. Most of us post with pertinent questions or observations, and yes, at times those can be graphic and maybe startling. But most of us don't do it to hurt anyone, we are instead engaging in a conversation about the crime, perhaps to glean information to help us understand the why, and to allow us to think that in some small way, we are fighting on the side with the good guys. I am a fan of LE, and am uplifted over and over again by the dedication most have for the victims they encounter.

IMO.

Bravo! Right on Windrower. Well-written and I couldn't agree more.

 

[Curious Me]

Don't forget--the Candy Montgomery/Betty Gore ax murder started with a pickup of a swimsuit for a sleepover playdate of their daughters!

We still don't know what the motive was in this case, and I've been quietly reading what everyone has to say. Gee, I'm at a loss, I haven't been able to form a definite opinion on anything in this case as yet.


In the meantime...
I didn't know anything about this Candy Montgomery/Betty Gore case you mentioned. Being Curious Me, I looked it up online and found an actual story account of it. OMG, what a cautionary tale of the damage an affair can do!

Part One
http://www.texasmonthly.com/article...icon-prairie-part-i-candy-montgomerys-affair/

Part Two
http://www.texasmonthly.com/article...on-prairie-part-ii-the-killing-of-betty-gore/