TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #16

[Glammie]

What is "touch DNA"?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_DNA

 

[Jdianeg]

Sorry in advance- where may I find the key for initials? I know I saw it, but as a newbie, I'm lost. Hope this is an allowable question. Thank you!

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

There have been no persons of interest named by LE, so I am pretty sure that the rules here prohibit talking about sleuthing their personal lives/routines.

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[SpanishInquisition]

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RBBM : Or how well organized the plan was if it was a targeted hit. I would say that the plan might have been well laid out, but the actual application was sloppy, leaving his burglary tools at the crime scene, as an example. jmo

I wouldn't necessarily take leaving them behind as due to sloppiness. Keep in mind they were used as weapons and just as you could stick someone with knife and leave it in the body, you could do so with any other sharp force trauma weapon. We don't know the full extent of the injuries MB received.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

It is utilized in solving murders---another tool. It will show fiber transfers, minuscule skin cells that fell onto the victim. It is not a perfect finger-pointer to the perp & not nearly as straight forward as regular DNA crime analysis. But it can prove a useful tool during investigations whereby no direct DNA is found at the scene. I don't think touch DNA holds up as formal evidence during trials though.

Thanks. I had heard the term but didn't know what it meant. It seems they are going to need to use every tool they have unless they can find the bloody clothes in possession of the perp, or with the perp's dna.

 

[Cannonball3804]

The only issue that I immediately notice is this guy, CW, uses his fists as weapons. He doesn't bludgeon opponents with a tool. He doesn't need a screwdriver to get the job done. Nor does he appear to possess the persona of a killer. He apologized for breaking the fighter's arm by saying the guy "didn't tap". This is a man who joined the military after 9/11. He is a patriot. He fights in a cage. He does not accost women, jmho. He loves them and likely flirts with them. I don't think that he kills them by sitting on their chest while stabbing them with a tool.

IOW, the SP is a coward who ambushed this precious lady during a time when she would least expect it. After all, she was inside the Church of Christ.

I don't think CW is the perp. But a couple things to consider when looking at him and his background are (1) the potential that if he has had past concussions, he might have developed CTE leading to behavioral changes; and (2) Steroid use could also lead to changes in behavior.

Not saying either of those apply to CW as I've seen nothing to indicate it. But it's something LE should have explored.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I wouldn't necessarily take leaving them behind as due to sloppiness. Keep in mind they were used as weapons and just as you could stick someone with knife and leave it in the body, you could do so with any other sharp force trauma weapon. We don't know the full extent of the injuries MB received.

Do we know if those tools were brought to the scene by the perp or just picked up from the church to use.

 

[Hexe]

It is utilized in solving murders---another tool. It will show fiber transfers, minuscule skin cells that fell onto the victim. It is not a perfect finger-pointer to the perp & not nearly as straight forward as regular DNA crime analysis. But it can prove a useful tool during investigations whereby no direct DNA is found at the scene. I don't think touch DNA holds up as formal evidence during trials though.

Touch DNA does not deal with fiber transfer. Touch DNA is basically a DNA left behind in the skin cells we shed all the time and leave on everything we touch. Of course these are minuscule amounts so finding them must be interpreted with caution.

 

[Lcyr]

I wouldn't necessarily take leaving them behind as due to sloppiness. Keep in mind they were used as weapons and just as you could stick someone with knife and leave it in the body, you could do so with any other sharp force trauma weapon. We don't know the full extent of the injuries MB received.

It might even be considered smart. They'd have to put it somewhere and it's better to leave it than to risk being caught with it or getting fibers from a car on it or anything else that might lead to the killer.

 

[Scout]

I grabbed this still from a video about the Bevers case. Sorry, I can't recall which website. Can any of the locals tell me if this is actually the type of security cameras in the Creekside church? Or is it just a stock photo?

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Agree 100% and echoed your sentiments upstream in these pages.

Definitely not suspicious to delete everything on social media and a good thing CT did. There are children involved, forget needing broomsticks, some of these people creating these FBs need a Xanax. I actually saw in-house fighting between the 2 groups. Adult, much? I guess Midlo is becoming divided. Anyone would think Hillary & Trump are holding rallies. Lord Have Mercy.

Not suspicious at all. I was reading through one of the 'who killed Missy Bevers' groups on Facebook and at least one person said they messaged her to see if she did it. Her name and face are all over the internet in association with this crime. She has kids who go online. She has removed her online self from being hurt further. If she is found to NOT be the perp, I would expect a ton of people should be sending her hand written apologies, flowers, etc as that would make her very much a victim. Being a mom of 4 is hard enough, and we are only speculating with very little info. Be very careful with your words, they can hurt more than physical pain.

 

[MrsPC]

On CW police already eliminated him per this earlier news report:

http://www.fox4news.com/news/137370703-story

Police also told FOX 4 the man messaging Missy has cooperated with investigators and was not and is not considered a suspect or a person of interest.

 

[HEY YOU!]

It is clear to me that they know exactly who is reponsible. I don't understand their handling of this case at all. What are they waiting for?

It's a death penalty case. By releasing what they have little by little, they give the perp a chance to come in and confess rather than endure a trial. Long trials can be expensive & this can give LE time to gather more facts and give a chance that perp and/or accomplice will come forward to avoid the death penalty. Looks like it's just a matter of time before whoever is involved comes forth and tells the truth realizing that they don't want to die before their time or LE brings charges and a trial follows. With the level of premeditation and horrific injuries, this will be a no brainer for a jury. Best LE takes their time now and gathers any and all evidence for a strong case. I have no doubt they know who it is.

 

[Glammie]

I wouldn't necessarily take leaving them behind as due to sloppiness. Keep in mind they were used as weapons and just as you could stick someone with knife and leave it in the body, you could do so with any other sharp force trauma weapon. We don't know the full extent of the injuries MB received.

I will add that in my opinion I would think the perp would be smart to leave them there. I would think you would risk possibly being caught with them if you walked away from the crime scene. The perp has gloves on in the video so I am assuming no finger prints why risk walking away with them. Especially if the perp used tools from the church, which would have someone else's prints on them. JMO

 

[Glammie]

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I grabbed this still from a video about the Bevers case. Sorry, I can't recall which website. Can any of the locals tell me if this is actually the type of security cameras in the Creekside church? Or is it just a stock photo?

I'm sorry I can't remember.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I agree with this. I have noticed too. The B's come across as a bit 'poshy', for want of a better word where as MB seems more down to earth and approachable. MB & KS are chalk and cheese imo. Not sure if that means they didn't like each other though. I don't feel they're involved. MB's brothers appear to be supportive of BB.

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Agree 100%. NO indication or insinuation of criminal behavior. Before & after? A paradox; pre-Missy's passing a total paucity of acknowledgement. That is all I am observing. It's fact. It exists. It's not opinion as it is there. These things may,or may not, say far more than the "ordinary"eye you and I see things with. (Said with respect.)

 

[curiousjo]

Who is KS?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Originally Posted by PoirotryInMotion
LE have at least 30 minutes of video surveillance, though (they say) none was taken during the actual murder. If the murder happened after 4:20 AM (it did), and they have surveillance video starting with Swatperp's movements at 3:50 AM, how do you know the unknown car was there during the murder (after 4:20)?

It might sound like I'm splitting hairs, but the distinction is important. I am only theorizing that Swatperp left on foot. Have no idea what the unknown car is about, unless it was an accomplice on lookout, and I've not excluded that possibility - and that an accomplice may have driven Swatperp to the church. But I don't believe that unknown car (or an accomplice) was necessarily there during her murder, and the existence of a video frame with that car in it doesn't prove a getaway car was in the lot during her murder. (If it was an accomplice, that'd be cutting things too close for comfort, I'd think).

We know that b/c the cameras are said by LE to have been motion-activated. The car wouldn't be on any video before the perp came in because there WAS no video before the perp came in.

And it must have been gone when police came or they'd have the car's make and model (not to mention the license plate, VIN#, etc.) But they say they don't KNOW the make and model...so it was gone when they got there.

I think we're both agreeing the car left prior to LE arriving. That wasn't my point, though. What I've been saying is that we don't know if the unknown car was there, as you've asserted, during her murder (about 4:20). We aren't privy to the whole 30 minutes of videotape. And we don't know at what time that tape captured the car in the lot. So it doesn't necessarily follow by logic that he had to escape by car. That car could've left the parking lot after being seen in that video frame and before her murder. Maybe even 20 minutes before. We don't know.

(Additionally, the car could've been there even earlier than the 3:50 start of motion-activated video. But that's beside the point I've been trying to make in answer to your reply to me on the last page of the last thread. )

 

[Limaes]

Who is KS?

BB's sister

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[SpanishInquisition]

Do we know if those tools were brought to the scene by the perp or just picked up from the church to use.

There is much we don't know. Actually it would be most fascinating of all to find out the tools seen on camera came from the church where it could mean that the perp was already there and staged the break-in with the church's own tools after they had already arrived and had been inside. I'm inclined to think they were professional breaching tools, I also think a firearm may have been used and plus I'm not entirely confident in LE's timeline as it sounds like they're doing estimated reconstructions for much of it rather than having timestamps on all footage, but I consider a wide range of possibilities since there is little that we do know for a fact.