TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #24

[ktrca]

Jumping off of your post, I kept thinking it was in the general shape of a claw hammer, but was wider than most claw hammers, and kind of odd shaped. So, I wondered what other hammer/claw types were out there. I checked out the War Hammer and, imo, it just isn't the right shape. I could be wrong, but l kind of think it looks like a "wrecking bar". Here's a pic of one.
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I saw a Mason hammer that looked like a good fit too, its so hard to tell with the artifact in the vid. I dont think it is a garden variety houshold hammer, but that could just be me conjuring illusion in my pea brain.

 

[ktrca]

When the assailant opens the door to the right of the bulletin board, I don't know what that room is, but it appears that, by their shadow in the door window, they don't go in far. It's like they leaned in, maybe got something, and turned around and came back out. Do we know what's in that room? I looked at the floor plan but didn't understand what the room actually was. I thought it might be a janitor's room. A janitor's room would possibly have different things like a "staple gun", etc. . . Some staple guns are pretty powerful. We have about every tool known to man and the s.o. said staple gun when I showed this to them.

Looks to me like they put the slide, or stop on the door to keep it ajar, and that was the only purpose. Just an opinion

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes, excellent point! There was a picture of her ring that BB is or was wearing around his neck. I was a little surprised she was not buried with it, but that's just me and JMO.

Maybe saving it for one of the children? I have my mother's and grandmother's rings.

 

[jpo74]

Not really. I don't think this perp is experienced enough to be considered a serial killer.

I waffle back and forth between someone who knew Missy and a thrill killer.

MOO, no way do i think this is a thrill kill. its either jealous lover / gf angle or hired hit

 

[arkansasmimi]

"She was actually found by one of the boot camp participants who got there a little bit early and waited outside for a while until others got there," Spann said. "They went in the building where they located her."

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/woman-found-dead-inside-midlothian-church/140954492

We've never heard how the camper got inside the church or if the doors were locked or open. The campers assume Missy is inside the church because her truck is outside. They wait outside for her to begin class. Maybe they even text her to see what her delay is. If they were locked out from their usual entry, depending where she in the SW corner, they could have seen her through a window and then ran around the church trying to find an open door. At this time, we can't rule out that they gained entry from the same doors the perp broke into. Or even the broken window. Let's leave it in the undecided file until we hear more.

Respectfully, bbm, If they did that, they would automatically know that someone broke into the building. From reading listening to the Press Conf April 18 and reading SW, sorry I will agree to disagree on this because the way it was said by LEO, they gave no indications that anyone entered into the building from the broken doors.

Until I see or hear otherwise, it my opinion the Campers came through the same door that MB unlocked, where ever it was. And no doors or windows were broken on that SW side of building from outside.

 

[SandyQLS]

LAPD SWAT gear helmets from today's incident at UCLA campus. I see some similarities to SwatPerp's helmet - notably the strap things on both sides of ears, strap across the back upper neck, objects on sides of helmet, double brim on forehead... In the MPD video range :40 - 1:00, it looks like straps on both sides of the ears in some frames. Now I am also questioning the hairline on the back of SwatPerp's neck that I think I saw - is it a strap like these (officer on left)? However, these helmets are not shiny and reflective like SwatPerp's helmet, but they may come in both styles flat and shiny. ... Original link to photo https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/times3.jpg?w=1100

 

[Benro10]

Yes, this is what I want to know. The SW door looks to be propped open in the video, so if that is the door that Missy entered wouldn't she be thinking why is this door already propped open? And wouldn't the perp have wanted that door closed to keep her from running outside, but then how did the campers get inside to find Missy? Help me understand this???

what if the door was propped open and Missy peeked in and said something and the SP responded "hey, I'm already here " and if she knew the voice she came in and then who knows from there ? JMHO in response to the post , it made me try to think of why she might go in if it was propped open..... :rollercoaster::rollercoaster:

 

[ktrca]

LE said in the April 22 press conference, "We don't understand all the movement" that they see in the video. They've said nothing since to indicate that they've figured it out.

So it's still perplexing how nonchalant and non-athletic and somewhat goofy this perp appears to be. Are they a good enough actor to fake it? I doubt it.

If it was a robbery at all - which I doubt - the money theory makes no sense. Anyone with half a brain knows that a church isn't going to keep cash offerings on site. They would do like any other business and drop it in the overnight drop at their bank.

So if a robbery at all, it would be non-monetary in my book. "Hey, I'm bored and I need to finance my bad habits. I'll break into this church I know of that's real secluded. They claim to have cameras so I'll dress up. If I don't find any money, I'm sure I can find something to sell. Maybe some sound equipment, keyboard, guitar, whatever. I'll tear some $&@! up while I'm at it, because I hate churches. I can take my time - It'll be a Monday morning, there won't be anyone in the church office for HOURS..."

Could have happened like that. Dang, now I've vacillated again...

I dont think they are non athletic, I think they are wearing gear that they have not practiced sufficiantly in, I am 99% sure they have leg holsters on, which would lend to the abnormal gate, as well as knee/chin guards. If you have ever walked in this stuff you would know it impedes all your movement, I stand by " the gate is not as important as people think" ot is highly altered by equipment.

On another note if you play the vid in slow motion, as patperp enters the auditorium, you can see a very heightened physical sense, like they are preparing for something, offensively or defensively.

 

[PibblePal]

I wonder if one of the campers actually saw a car leaving, only noticed it was light in color, and didn't think much about it at the time...
Hence why the actual photo of the Altima is important.
4:35 camper may have seen something LE is not disclosing.
Jmo maybe possibly [emoji12]


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[Mountaingazer]

Whoa!!!!! I recognize someone from this picture. Um, surely LE has been able to as well. I may have been wrong in a post defending someone named in the SW maybe around thread 14-15 ish. TBD.

IMO

Right! I usually don't give these enhancements that much clout, but wow!

 

[arkansasmimi]

Breck80
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Originally Posted by TTF14
Thank you!

This event you were at....is it something that someone under the cloud of suspicion also might have been at?



Great question. IMO, not at this gathering (which was a personal celebration, not an official event). Also, just to be transparent as best possible...no one has given me any official insight or knowledge on this investigation. I'm just basing my theory on my career background...then from conversations & fact-gathering with people close to either family or the investigation.

Quick question...does anyone remember during interviews with BB or LE if a reporter asked them to outline Missy's last day, which would have been Sunday? A digital footprint shows she was in Austin then returned. Locally many say she was at the fire station that day before and is connected to someone there, whether personal friends or professional acquaintances, etc. I was curious if either BB or LE ever outlined what Missy did the day before her death at any point?

My curiosity has nothing to do with me suspecting a firefighter, I'm just suddenly open to understating this part of the story because I have seen on here the poster who kept making firefighter references. It got me thinking it was for this reason.

This was posted back in thread 7 by Breck80. Several posters have asked about it since, but I have never seen any other information about it.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...urch-person-in-SWAT-gear-18-Apr-2016-7/page18

thats why in my post I said, it was just a rumor. No link and not a VI. No where else even in Rumorsville, have we seen this.

 

[Bootsctr]

what if the door was propped open and Missy peeked in and said something and the SP responded "hey, I'm already here " and if she knew the voice she came in and then who knows from there ? JMHO in response to the post , it made me try to think of why she might go in if it was propped open..... :rollercoaster::rollercoaster:

Yes, I think that the southwest doors were propped open, or one was propped open and Missy was like WTH? Stuck her head in and saw the doors had been messed with and glass on the floor and went in not realizing someone was there. Then she heard someone call her name and she went to the area the perp was hiding.

 

[SandyQLS]

Wow, I certainly can see that! Here's my feeble attempt at messing with it on my screen.

IMO.. blue eyes..

Wow! I think that is even better. I agree on blue eyes. I think there is even the beginning of nostrils of the nose at the bottom, like the scarf or balaclava has slipped down (I am leaning to scarf of some kind over the lower face and front neck rather than full balaclava even though the early LE SW mentions it - because we can see so much side and back skin of SwatPerp between :40 - 1:00 in video frames).

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I will try to screen capture the approximate same picture as yours and work on it. I grabbed another screen capture when the killer is breaking the glass at that last door and the white thing in the right pocket moves all around during the killer's movements but I got one shot that almost looks like a phone ear bud or camera or something.. I can't really tell. And I don't think it's a tire iron, lug nut wrench or pry bar head as someone else speculated because it's white. Those tools are generally black or steel colored.

WOW! Nice work again MrsPC. I think I see what you mean at the top of the white thing there is a white thing that looks almost like a wing nut. Did you notice next to that the black circle? I'm wondering what either of those items could be. You could be right and it is an ear bud, but in my mind that wouldn't make sense to bring something like that to the scene of a crime and potentially risk losing it there. So, IMHO I'm ruling out the ear bud. But yeah, what is that thing.

 

[PibblePal]

Right! I usually don't give these enhancements that much clout, but wow!

I have never given the enhancements much cred as well, but I couldn't even get this close in any Adobe program. I don't know what was done but this one gives me the creeps in a good way.

Very recognizable ...
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[Bootsctr]

I have never given the enhancements much cred as well, but I couldn't even get this close in any Adobe program. I don't know what was done but this one gives me the creeps in a good way.

Very recognizable ...
Jmo


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I see them in my dreams! or maybe I should say nightmares...

 

[al66pine]

.... Was there literally no DNA? We read SP tried to "clean up" at the scene (??) so what was s/he cleaning? If their costume was fool proof why clean anything? The camera has a clear shot of the eyes and....

^sbm^ Right, seems like swatperp was thinking ahead - to prevent leaving own hair, skin cells, etc from own dna.

Seems, imo, like a person who planned to kill another human by multiple puncture/penetrating wounds to head & chest would know that trying to clean up victim's blood would be futile. Also, why attempt, since we have no info suggesting swatperp started to/tried/planned to remove the body. That would take waaaay more time than scheduled for.

If swatperp tried to clean up, imo, most likely would have been own watery or muddy footprints from rain - in CoC interior floors or exterior walkways.

IIRC, thread 1 had pix of what appeared to be wet footprints/tracks on CoC concrete sidewalk, close to 2 boarded-up adjoining doors. Seems they were taken in sunlight, not artificial light. Anyone remember those pix? Other ideas about what swatperp may have tried to clean up?

JM2cts, may be entirely wrong.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Good question! I want to know the answer. Could provide clues on how the perp departed.

jmopinion

LOL MPD stated they think the Suspect left out the same way they entered through the busted metal kitchen door.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

While looking back over the Dry Cleaner SW, I saw this. This is what I keep saying and do not understand why people think the murder could only have happened within time MB went in and first camper showed up.

There was about 30 min from time MB first walked in, until she was located by the Campers. JMHO

Hello Mimi!!!

With all due respect, the perp is first seen on camera at 3:50 am and MB arrived at 4:16 am~~~IMHO, that is the 30 minutes that is referring to (actually 24 minutes) ~~not the time from when she entered and the campers found her.

 

[JHM75]

^sbm^ Right, seems like swatperp was thinking ahead - to prevent leaving own hair, skin cells, etc from own dna.

Seems, imo, like a person who planned to kill another human by multiple puncture/penetrating wounds to head & chest would know that trying to clean up victim's blood would be futile. Also, why attempt, since we have no info suggesting swatperp started to/tried/planned to remove the body. That would take waaaay more time than scheduled for.

If swatperp tried to clean up, imo, most likely would have been own watery or muddy footprints from rain - in CoC interior floors or exterior walkways.

IIRC, thread 1 had pix of what appeared to be wet footprints/tracks on CoC concrete sidewalk, close to 2 boarded-up adjoining doors. Seems they were taken in sunlight, not artificial light. Anyone remember those pix? Other ideas about what swatperp may have tried to clean up?

JM2cts, may be entirely wrong.

What if the SP urinated during the crime? Or Missy was able to bloody their nose?