TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #28

[GeeEm]

..unless you have someone approximately your size and looks (constantly wearing a cap for example) traveling for you. They use your ID etc.. Just saying.

-Nin

Hi NIN 😀

I agree FWIW! I suppose I watch wayyyy too much of the ID channels.

JMO

 

[SandyQLS]

Typo - 67 :thinking:

Welcome to the typo club. Thanks to Shannon, Boots & A-Mimi, a couple pages back - Yes, I meant to type that MB is known to be 63" tall and had walked the same hallway as SP with the cameras presumably not changed or handled between SP's pass and MB's pass which must be useful info to LE.

When I take a step back and look at the larger picture of this case, I find it utterly ridiculous that MB was warned of some imaginary danger in going to her CG class alone in the early morning. The phrase "safe as churches" has been on my mind all along, and some rural church on a Monday morning when others are expected to arrive at any moment is a safe thing to do. I find notions that women cannot or do not go places alone all the time and are safe frankly absurd. This isn't some high crime inner city red light district. JMO but it is clear that this was not an interrupted burglary of the CoC but a very targetted murder with a great deal of preparation and planning. I do not believe that SP acted alone. I continue to have the opinion that LE is all over this case and is developing evidence, but it may take a long time.

Cui bono?

 

[Montjoy]

True. I know it is farfetched and I am not pursuing that switchero direction. We'd have to have at least one more conspirator ( traveling family member) and that's when it gets murky. I just thought I'd mention the possibility.

-Nin

For what it's worth, LE said they had 'independent corroboration' -- which means a disinterested witness, so it means someone other than a family member.

 

[No it's not]

Welcome to the typo club. Thanks to Shannon, Boots & A-Mimi, a couple pages back - Yes, I meant to type that MB is known to be 63" tall and had walked the same hallway as SP with the cameras presumably not changed or handled between SP's pass and MB's pass which must be useful info to LE.

When I take a step back and look at the larger picture of this case, I find it utterly ridiculous that MB was warned of some imaginary danger in going to her CG class alone in the early morning. The phrase "safe as churches" has been on my mind all along, and some rural church on a Monday morning when others are expected to arrive at any moment is a safe thing to do. I find notions that women cannot or do not go places alone all the time and are safe frankly absurd. This isn't some high crime inner city red light district. JMO but it is clear that this was not an interrupted burglary of the CoC but a very targetted murder with a great deal of preparation and planning. I do not believe that SP acted alone. I continue to have the opinion that LE is all over this case and is developing evidence, but it may take a long time.

Cui bono?

I am wondering, if MB knew the outdoor church surveillance system had been malfunctioning? Did someone from the church inform her (according to presser they knew about the problem before)? Does CG require to have outdoor workouts in camera secured parking lots? Anyone knows?Was MB possibly concerned and talked to someone about it? Would it have created an opportunity?

-Nin

 

[TeaTime]

SandyQLS - I don't find it odd that BB would warn his wife to be careful going to an empty church in the middle of nowhere at 4am, alone, or that he expressed concern for her safety. In fact it seems perfectly normal husband behavior. If the creepy text was scary in nature and he knew about it, it would be even more reason to express concerns for her safety and would be odd if he hadn't.

What I find odd is that LE 's height estimate for SWATPERP is 4 to 9 inches shorter than BratBat's estimate. BratBat's work would be admissible as demonstrative evidence in a court of law and therefore quite reliable indeed and I can't imagine that LE has more advanced techniques.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

They will issue a preliminary death certificate with COD and MOD noted as pending. The preliminary death certificate can be used to notify banks and deed recorders so joint owners can remove the name of the decedent, and it needs to be presented to SSA to inform them of the death, etc. A final death certificate is issued when COD and MOD are finalized.

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Respectfully, no, a DC cannot remove an owner's name from an asset and erase them from ownership. At least, not in Texas (but not anywhere else that I know either). That is what a probate court does, via the probate process (where the DC is merely used to establish that we have a deceased person), and the probate court has to legally determine who receives ownership of what the deceased used to own. In general, the DC is simply used as proof that Joe Smith has actually died, and is most useful in relation to assets that have some sort of "pay on death" aspect (such as life insurance), or to remove a deceased from a recurring billing account (such as electric bill, phone, etc).

If ownership is held as joint tenants with rights of survivorship (Which is common with marital assets), then they pass directly and do not go through probate.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/avoid-probate-with-joint-ownership-30125.html

ETA also, many/most? states have a minimum requirement for an estate to go through probate (ie, over 50,000 as an example). If an estate is too small for probate, then all ownership is changed pretty much with just a DC)

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Yes, as I mentioned, a DC can be used for "pay on death" assets, of which a JTWROS asset is one example. However, it should be understood that such designations, while not necessarily rare, are not the norm by any means, and sharing ownership as a married couple is not at all the same thing as a JTWROS designation. Such an added instruction would have to be specifically requested, when the deed is originally prepared, and few do that. If it exists, such a designation in Texas is typically noted on taxing entity public records, and I see no evidence of it in this case.

Also, you added a note about the ability to avoid probate in certain states if there are less than 50,000 in assets under consideration. In Texas, that can apply if there is no real estate owned. But there is certainly real estate in play here, and the house alone is worth more than 50,000.

Hope that helps.

Regarding the D/C, probate, etc., discussion......does it really matter? I'm not trying to be snarky, but I don't see how it fits into identifying the SP or solving the case.

 

[Montjoy]

BratBat's work would be admissible as demonstrative evidence in a court of law and therefore quite reliable indeed and I can't imagine that LE has more advanced techniques.

Do you have a source for that? I think it would be up to the court to decide -- and I'm not saying any of this to deride BatBrat's efforts. And for what it's worth, when LE came up with their height estimate, it wouldn't have come from anyone but an expert in doing precisely that -- likely one of the federal agencies who were involved in the initial investigation. It's not like they said "Hey, officer O'Malley, how about getting a ruler and trying to estimate how tall this perp is?" I'm going to put my money on the trained professionals.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I found an old tweet from Jeff Smith @ NBCDFW dated April 20. Did anyone bookmark the article as I'd like to see the quote in context. It almost has a "fairy tale ending" sound to it.

Jeff SmithVerified account
‏@JeffSmithNBC5
Husband's last words to her was "I love you"

9:34 AM - 20 Apr 2016 [video=twitter;722825866133286912]https://twitter.com/JeffSmithNBC5/status/722825866133286912[/video]

 

[WannaBDetective]

I sometimes wonder if the SP in the church video is not the killer. I wonder if two were involved, and the real killer has managed to keep him/her self away from the camera.

Of several hypotheticals going around (no evidence of). This one does answer several questions. How did SP who seems less athletic) make sure they took out a potentially stronger more athletic foe. How did they do the deed and clean up well and get out of there so fast. Who was SP communicating with that night (he was a couple hundred yards away and serving as another lookout. If SP is female. It accounts for the male-like damage to the door. Did XX take her brother along? (Don't even know if she has one). It does create a few new ones. More witnesses. More alibis needed.

 

[Montjoy]

I found an old tweet from Jeff Smith @ NBCDFW dated April 20. Did anyone bookmark the article as I'd like to see the quote in context. It almost has a "fairy tale ending" sound to it.

By 'fairy tale', are you suggesting it's somehow suspicious? I don't see that at all, considering how routinely some couples tell each other that they love them.

 

[bluesneakers]

I found an old tweet from Jeff Smith @ NBCDFW dated April 20. Did anyone bookmark the article as I'd like to see the quote in context. It almost has a "fairy tale ending" sound to it.

Jeff SmithVerified account
‏@JeffSmithNBC5
Husband's last words to her was "I love you"

9:34 AM - 20 Apr 2016 [video=twitter;722825866133286912]https://twitter.com/JeffSmithNBC5/status/722825866133286912[/video]

Were they on the phone at the time? If so I think the story is likely true. Don't most couples say "I love you" before hanging up?

 

[SandyQLS]

SandyQLS - I don't find it odd that BB would warn his wife to be careful going to an empty church in the middle of nowhere at 4am, alone, or that he expressed concern for her safety. In fact it seems perfectly normal husband behavior. If the creepy text was scary in nature and he knew about it, it would be even more reason to express concerns for her safety and would be odd if he hadn't.

...RSBM...

I completely respect your POV. But to me, IMO, the dire warning was nothing more than infantilization and undermining of a competent adult woman who was capable of taking of herself and also has a history of taking care of others. I do not doubt that it was said, but I find the remark suspicious in context, and then it was repeated by MT as though that is confimation of the validity of a position that a woman should always be frightened to be alone, as you say, in the middle of nowhere. I am addressing that context - it really is the middle of nowhere - and unless there had been a recent upsurge in crime and attacks on women, MB had been safe and was safe, except for some specific person(s) wanting her quite dead - not robbed, not attacked, not injured, not scared, not raped, not carjacked, dead.

 

[Deleted member 718]

By 'fairy tale', are you suggesting it's somehow suspicious? I don't see that at all, considering how routinely some couples tell each other that they love them.

Not at all Montjoy. Why would you think that? No more so than Brandon was headed to his "heavenly place" when Missy died.

"Tucker says his brother’s fishing trip was anything but spur of the moment.

“This trip was planned over a year in advance,” Tucker said. “The one thing other than his family that makes my brother happy is the ocean. The ocean is his heaven and that’s why he was there.”

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/atto...idlothian-murder-eric-williams-case/147852637

 

[dub]

What I find odd is that LE 's height estimate for SWATPERP is 4 to 9 inches shorter than BratBat's estimate. BratBat's work would be admissible as demonstrative evidence in a court of law and therefore quite reliable indeed and I can't imagine that LE has more advanced techniques.

I think this is weird too.

A random stoned theory on this front: 2 people involved (SP and someone else). LE has no clue who SP is, but has a good idea of who the off-camera secondary party (planner?) is. Secondary party is known to be between 5'2" and 5'7" (probably their exact height is known if LE has a particular person in mind), and LE puts the height range out there to make this person nervous/"malleable" even though they know he/she was not the actual SP.

I don't outright believe this is true, but it's one scenario that's only slightly convoluted that could explain the height disparity.

 

[Montjoy]

Not at all Montjoy. Why would you think that? No more so than Brandon was headed to his "heavenly place" when Missy died.

I never said that I thought that -- I just saw nothing 'fairy tale' about it, which is why I asked. BB gets bashed all the time, and implicated for something he couldn't have done.

 

[SandyQLS]

I found an old tweet from Jeff Smith @ NBCDFW dated April 20. Did anyone bookmark the article as I'd like to see the quote in context. It almost has a "fairy tale ending" sound to it.

Jeff SmithVerified account
‏@JeffSmithNBC5
Husband's last words to her was "I love you"

9:34 AM - 20 Apr 2016 [video=twitter;722825866133286912]https://twitter.com/JeffSmithNBC5/status/722825866133286912[/video]

And then the echochamber on 5/10/2016: http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,21005642,00.html

"..."She'd gone to Austin for a Camp Gladiator meeting, so I took Brandon in for minor surgery," she [MT] recalls. "Missy texted to say, 'Thank you for taking care of him. I love you.' That was the last text I got. I loved her, and she loved me."..."

Perhaps it is the family habit to often say 'I love you'.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I found an old tweet from Jeff Smith @ NBCDFW dated April 20. Did anyone bookmark the article as I'd like to see the quote in context. It almost has a "fairy tale ending" sound to it.

Jeff SmithVerified account
‏@JeffSmithNBC5
Husband's last words to her was "I love you"

9:34 AM - 20 Apr 2016 [video=twitter;722825866133286912]https://twitter.com/JeffSmithNBC5/status/722825866133286912[/video]

Jmho I think BB stated that in his 23 minute press conference on April 19. It is in the media thread

 

[ezrah]

Newbie here...Im of the opinion that there is more than 1 SP in church and believe it is possible that LE was sending a msg. to a taller SP and this info would be very significant to taller SP.
MOO of course.

 

[WannaBDetective]

Idea. Sorry was mowing lawn and that Spurs ideas. I think the toughest obstacle for SP to get away with is blood evidence. There's got to be a lot of it. Everywhere. Clothes. Shoes. Even if you undress everything outer. Steering wheel. Gas and brake. Bag. It would be almost impossible to not get it ANYWHERE. And your in a hurry and in pitch dark. Luminal picks up every thing.
Wonder if LE isn't looking for the owner or driver of the Altima. They have a license plate. They know who's it is.or they don't They just need the actual car. They want to test it. But they can't find the car. Parts in Mexico City. Parts in Jaurez. If SP planned that meticulously. The car disappeared so it could never be tested. Thoughts?

 

[Batbrat]

What I find odd is that LE 's height estimate for SWATPERP is 4 to 9 inches shorter than BratBat's estimate. BratBat's work would be admissible as demonstrative evidence in a court of law and therefore quite reliable indeed and I can't imagine that LE has more advanced techniques.

I would love to see how LE’s experts arrived at their measurements. They have access to the scene. They have access to the cameras. They presumably have at least a rudimentary knowledge of human anatomy and CAD, and similar/more advanced skills and techniques than I. I trust LE’s broader foundation substantially more than my limited one. And yet... I can see my work and not theirs, so I’m left wondering/confused at how LE’s experts can determine their subject is nearly a full head shorter than mine when evaluating the same video.