TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30

[SandyQLS]

1. I have a huge problem with a church burglar who goes to so much effort to plan including the excessive disguise and gear, then fails to do one of the most basic burglar task of "casing the joint" on any Monday early AM for the prior 7 1/2 months to know that a fitness trainer alone and then a whole group of people arrives at that hour.

2. ZVEDZA and PIM have both brought up the failure of the SP to take MB's wedding ring. I have been wanting to ask, slightly O/T - There is a case that was covered most likely in a Dateline episode that reran this month June 2016 on either ID or OWN channels. In that case, the husband had staged a burglary where his wife was murdered. During the trial, the prosecution made very much about how for a "burglary" the wedding ring had not been taken, and the husband was convicted on evidence not much stronger than that. There were photos of the wife showing the ring which in that case was quite valuable, perhaps $5,000. If anyone knows the names in this other case, I would appreciate you letting me know. I only bring it up because in MB's case the wedding ring was also left behind. Thank you.

 

[SteveS]

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
I think everything you stated is speculative. No person outside of MPD or any agency assisting in the investigation know what the current working theory is.

As Poirotry is implying, your idea that this was a "burglary gone wrong" is even more speculative or unsupported than the idea this was a perp who was there to attack MB, given the information we have. I'm a "follow the evidence" guy, seeing what it seems to indicate, rather than a "guess what happened on a hunch" guy. Do you have anything, beyond random speculation, that tells you this is a really bad burglary more than a targeting? Because to some of us, respectfully, your scenarios you've postulated to support that thesis make no sense in relation to the totality of the info we have.

 

[No it's not]

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
This is the perfect example of why LE doesn't go public with information unless absolutely needed.
What makes you believe that the suspect "re-entered the building after moving his car"?

You are saying the perp saw the hedlights of the victim's car approaching and moved towards where his car was parked, somewhere towards the S or S/E corner of the building. But he still stays inside the building.
MB parks her car at the porte cochere, unlocks the double doors and possibly starts unloading- or not. She gets attacked inside the church by the perp, because he is afraid she saw his vehicle assuming her ID of the car may lead directly to the suspect. He murders her and drives away.

That's what you mean?

-Nin

 

[11frogs]

It's possible that at least some alternating lights are left on for security (eg. every 4th or 5th ceiling flourescent is how many businesses do it). But when I remember the video of the reporter at the front of the church in the dark of night, I see NO interior lighting at all from inside the church...which makes me think maybe CC doesn't leave all the hall lights on. (I'd expect to see a bit of light emanating from the front entrance if that were true.)

Has anybody seen in the video any indication that any of the ceiling lights are on? I see use of a flashlight and/or headlamp by perp which seems unnecessary if the halls are completely lit (but maybe SP is using those because the classrooms he enters are dark). I seem to recall a circular reflection of light on the hall floor in one of those video frames.

Another possibility is that there are motion sensors in the hallways that turn on certain lights as someone triggers them walking by. The church building is new enough to use these, but if CoC buildings tend to be economically built, it's possible they don't have that feature. I did notice a series of slider buttons on the wall to the right as you walk in the main (west) door. If all was dark, all she'd have to do is to turn that hall light on upon entering.

The surveillance cameras could be infrared, so interior lights would not necessarily have to be on. But if I had to guess, based on what we've seen in the videos, I'd go with the idea that a minimal # (maybe 3-4 in the hallway corners?) are left on 24/7 for security purposes, and that these are not seen in the news video because of the way the church is designed (darkened rooms lining most of the perimeter of the building).

If you look at the floor in the video you can see the glare from the lights above on the tile. Would be interesting to know if they were motion activated

 

[verbonica]

1. I have a huge problem with a church burglar who goes to so much effort to plan including the excessive disguise and gear, then fails to do one of the most basic burglar task of "casing the joint" on any Monday early AM for the prior 7 1/2 months to know that a fitness trainer alone and then a whole group of people arrives at that hour.

2. ZVEDZA and PIM have both brought up the failure of the SP to take MB's wedding ring. I have been wanting to ask, slightly O/T - There is a case that was covered most likely in a Dateline episode that reran this month June 2016 on either ID or OWN channels. In that case, the husband had staged a burglary where his wife was murdered. During the trial, the prosecution made very much about how for a "burglary" the wedding ring had not been taken, and the husband was convicted on evidence not much stronger than that. There were photos of the wife showing the ring which in that case was quite valuable, perhaps $5,000. If anyone knows the names in this other case, I would appreciate you letting me know. I only bring it up because in MB's case the wedding ring was also left behind. Thank you.

I don't consider the fact that her wedding ring was not taken to mean much.

1. Perhaps for workouts she wore just a plain band that didn't look all that valuable. I can't find any pictures of her actually working out (there's one with the purple kettle bell where it looks like she has a diamond, but that could just be a posed picture). It would seem that a diamond would get in the way with weights, half-gloves 'n stuff.

2. A burglar might think that a wedding band would have an inscription that could easily be traced if he tried to sell it.

p.s. I'm not necessarily on the burglary bandwagon... just offering my thoughts on this facet of the discussion ('facet' pun not intended!).

 

[SteveS]

People also assume that burglary suspects park where the point of entry (break-in) occurred. Rarely is that the case. The point of exit is normally where the perp is parked.

You have opined that perp parked at SW corner, entered there, and exited there.
* In your view, why would he have parked there, if he didn't have a way to exit there?
* How would he have gotten in there, since there is no damage there?
* How was he going to exit there, as there is no damage to those doors to allow him to exit, and in your view he had no expectation anyone else was going to open them?
* What's the explanation for the extensive damage to the kitchen door on the other side of the building from the SW corner, that LE determined was made by perp gaining entry?
* How can LE be so befuddled to not recognize point-of-entry, despite being on the scene and getting to examine the physical evidence?
* Why do you think LE was so off-base, re your thinking, in believing perp exited the other side of the building?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Another good reason for marital struggle. But yes there are reasons they might have spoken before 5 am. We don't know what their norm is, just that this isn't normal for most. Its one more incongruity with BB and the Ts in this circumstance, IMO. I know if it were me and I spoke to someone, especially at an unusual hour, and they expressed worry over their spouse's safety and it turned out they were being murdered almost as we spoke, a flag would go off. I guess depends on how far you take coincidence. Not that I think BB or MT is the SP. Just found it striking. Or perhaps the call never happened and MT made it up trying to show what a concerned hubby BB was to help take suspicion away from him. Or perhaps the call did happen because BB knew something and wanted to establish his whereabouts. Just speculating the possibilities around such an odd statement.

:thumb:

 

[roadrunnermt]

QUICK POLL

Thank this post if you believe the police know exactly who did this, are biding their time and building a watertight case, while permanently watching their POI to make sure they don't run away or kill anyone else.

This one is my opinion but I also think LE may not have every person who ties in to this plan/motive and trying to obtain solid proof of all.

CMC, I was shocked how many still think this was interrupted burglary. Can you do a poll to see where we split on burglary and planned murder? TYIA!

 

[roadrunnermt]

Yes, IMO it would be unlikely for him to be speaking to his mother about warning MB to be careful the morning when she was being murdered. Yet that is what she said.

Why would he share his warning to MB with his mom though? From MTs own interview, she apparently didn't even know they had marital or financial troubles. This points to not a close share everything mom/son relationship so seems a little "off" to me, MOO.

 

[dub]

I have 3 "case status" scenarios that make reasonable sense to me at this point: ("targeted" vs "burglary" is my own opinion for each scenario, not my perception of LE's opinion)

1: Two people involved (SP and someone not in the church). LE is pretty sure they know who the third party is, but has no evidence and don't know who SP is. (targeted)

2: Single perp, LE has no idea who it is (50/50 targeted vs burglary).

3: Single perp, currently in jail for an unrelated crime. LE knows who it is and is gathering evidence (most likely burglary).

I think they are all similar in likelihood but I lean slightly toward #1 just because I think this is more likely targeted than burglary, although I am open to both scenarios.

 

[11frogs]

You have opined that perp parked at SW corner, entered there, and exited there.
* In your view, why would he have parked there, if he didn't have a way to exit there?
* How would he have gotten in there, since there is no damage there?
* How was he going to exit there, as there is no damage to those doors to allow him to exit, and in your view he had no expectation anyone else was going to open them?
* What's the explanation for the extensive damage to the kitchen door on the other side of the building from the SW corner, that LE determined was made by perp gaining entry?
* How can LE be so befuddled to not recognize point-of-entry, despite being on the scene and getting to examine the physical evidence?
* Why do you think LE was so off-base, re your thinking, in believing perp exited the other side of the building?

how was SP going to exit SW corner?

I would imagine from from earlier posts that SP would use the push bar to open the door. The doors can be locked from the outside but a push will let them out. I do believe this is where SP exited the building. Time will tell.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

QUICK POLL

The killer is male

 

[CoverMeCagney]

QUICK POLL

The killer is female

 

[CoverMeCagney]

QUICK POLL

Missy was targeted, by someone who knew her - for personal reasons like love, money or jealousy

 

[CoverMeCagney]

QUICK POLL

Missy was targeted for a non-personal reason - she knew too much, maybe drugs, guns or business matters

 

[ocgrad]

Me too!

Ok, but that's not what she said, but we can certainly agree to disagree!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

QUICK POLL

Missy just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. She interrupted a burglary or other criminal act and had to be silenced.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

This one is my opinion but I also think LE may not have every person who ties in to this plan/motive and trying to obtain solid proof of all.

CMC, I was shocked how many still think this was interrupted burglary. Can you do a poll to see where we split on burglary and planned murder? TYIA!

Done! And I nearly got them all in a row lol!

 

[SteveS]

how was SP going to exit SW corner?

I would imagine from from earlier posts that SP would use the push bar to open the door. The doors can be locked from the outside but a push will let them out. I do believe this is where SP exited the building. Time will tell.

Push bars don't work, when they are locked. Although I'm sure anything is possible, we've been given no reason to believe the church left their system unlocked that night. And I'd say the kitchen door damage suggests that the push bars were locked, forcing perp to pry off the lock to get in, rather than just a quick smash-and-push.

 

[11frogs]

Push bars don't work, when they are locked. Although I'm sure anything is possible, we've been given no reason to believe the church left their system unlocked that night. And I'd say the kitchen door damage suggests that the push bars were locked, forcing perp to pry off the lock to get in, rather than just a quick smash-and-push.

My daughter works at a very large company with doors that look like the ones at the church. The doors stay locked from the outside but when you push the bar from the inside you can open them. They are commercial doors. When checking parameter you always check that they are locked from the outside as sometimes the door doesn't always latch on the inside. I am very sure in your lifetime you have used this type of door.

The kitchen door is totally different but SP probably didn't know there was a pushbar on the inside of that door - if there was on on that door.