TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30

[Coco'sMommy]

Does anyone else notice a sudden change of posting (eg. ppl coming in with rumors and not-allowed social media) happening with almost predictable regularity on these threads whenever the discussion takes a new and interesting turn?

Sorry for sounding suspicious...but I am (after 30 threads of this).

I did! And so have several others on the board.

 

[ocgrad]

The conversation they had, that was described as "before we knew anything happened", happened the day (or was it days?) before the murder. I'm sure BB talked with his mother many times in the days/weeks/months before the murder. Not sure why you would see that as an issue or something that is "curiouser." That's what family does - from time to time, they are in contact with each other, and tend to share the joys and concerns in their lives.

Well nothing in the interview suggested she was talking about a conversation that happened on Sunday. It would be more common to say, "the morning before it happened" if the conversation took place before it happened. What she said was "the morning before we knew it happened". That's after it happened but before knowing about it. 2 different things.

 

[Coco'sMommy]

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
I think everything you stated is speculative. No person outside of MPD or any agency assisting in the investigation know what the current working theory is.
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I think everything ANY of us state here is speculative. It's the purpose of this board.

 

[darring21]

My daughter works at a very large company with doors that look like the ones at the church. The doors stay locked from the outside but when you push the bar from the inside you can open them. They are commercial doors. When checking parameter you always check that they are locked from the outside as sometimes the door doesn't always latch on the inside. I am very sure in your lifetime you have used this type of door.

The kitchen door is totally different but SP probably didn't know there was a pushbar on the inside of that door - if there was on on that door.

I work in a large commercial building and during non-work hours, we need to swipe a card to unlock the outside door when coming into the building. Going out, we just push the bar. Someone could break the glass and pull the bar from the outside. I believe this is quite common.

 

[MizKim]

This quote has seemed off to me from the start ..."The morning before we knew anything had happened, he said ‘I’ve told her, I’ve told her she’s got to be careful '. Maybe she misspoke but she's actually saying she talked to BB that morning before they knew. So BB calls his mom at 4-5 am while on a fishing trip and talks about his concern. Just strikes me as odd.

This just doesn't strike me as odd. BB talked to a camper and LE once before he knew that Missy had been murdered. (there's links for everything but I'm not going hunting for them)

IIRC
After the camper or LE called BB, he called MT and told her that Missy had been in an accident. MT was going to go be with Missy. Then BB called MT back to tell her that Missy had been murdered after he was informed after the second call from LE. After that' MT called KS and others over to the house.

The way I have interpreted the statement was that "morning before we knew anything had happened" (BEFORE BB and MT had known Missy was murdered and not in some type of accident), BB and MT had a conversation "I’ve told her, I’ve told her she’s got to be careful."

And BB could have told Missy to be careful for any number of reasons. I have people in my life that anytime I walk out the house they tell me to be careful. I have a friend who drives like a bat out of hell all the time, I tell her to be careful. I have a friend that's so clumsy its comical, I tell her to be careful. I have a friend that works early morning hours, I tell to be careful. And the list goes on.

 

[SandyQLS]

I don't consider the fact that her wedding ring was not taken to mean much.

1. Perhaps for workouts she wore just a plain band that didn't look all that valuable. I can't find any pictures of her actually working out (there's one with the purple kettle bell where it looks like she has a diamond, but that could just be a posed picture). It would seem that a diamond would get in the way with weights, half-gloves 'n stuff.

2. A burglar might think that a wedding band would have an inscription that could easily be traced if he tried to sell it.

p.s. I'm not necessarily on the burglary bandwagon... just offering my thoughts on this facet of the discussion ('facet' pun not intended!).

http://www.people.com/article/missy-bevers-husband-theory-who-killed-his-wife

May 25, 2016: "Brandon Bevers, the husband of a Texas fitness instructor who was found dead inside a church last month just before she was to teach an early morning class, believes his wife knew her killer.

"I still think whoever this person was knew my wife and had a motive," Bevers tells PEOPLE. "There's no doubt about it."
.....
"I think it was a woman," he said. "That's just an opinion."
.....
"There's no reason why an individual would break into a church, dressed in that type of clothing and stage a robbery, or what would appear to be a robbery – going through the building, breaking glass and opening doors," he says. "If that person was really there to commit a robbery, why did they kill my wife and leave her wedding ring on her finger?" ..."

 

[SteveS]

My daughter works at a very large company with doors that look like the ones at the church. The doors stay locked from the outside but when you push the bar from the inside you can open them. They are commercial doors. When checking parameter you always check that they are locked from the outside as sometimes the door doesn't always latch on the inside. I am very sure in your lifetime you have used this type of door.

The kitchen door is totally different but SP probably didn't know there was a pushbar on the inside of that door - if there was on on that door.

Oh, I understand that push bar setup. But there is a feature to them, often, that maybe you and daughter aren't familiar with. The mechanism to open the door with a push, on a push bar, can be disabled with some sort of locking mechanism. For security purposes in a commercial building, you don't want your premises accessible as easily as someone bashing a hole and pushing the bar, so this is the answer to that problem.

In fact, they have such a setup on the doors at my church. You can push the push bars to get out, during hours they are open. But after hours, according to a timer set by a system setup, all those push bars become disabled, and you can go to a door and push, but it won't disengage the lock to allow the door to open.

In addition, if we consider the damage to the kitchen door, it suggests that the push bar there had been disabled in such a manner. The perp smashed the window, but apparently that smash-reach-push did no good, and it appears he had to pry off the lock itself in order to be able to get in.

That might also suggest our perp was someone who wasn't a burglar who knew what to expect with such a door, or at least not a very experienced one. He might have been like your daughter, who only knew that every time the bar is pushed, the door opens. But, not being aware that if in the building after hours, it won't.

 

[darring21]

This just doesn't strike me as odd. BB talked to a camper and LE once before he knew that Missy had been murdered.

IIRC
After the camper or LE called BB, he called MT and told her that Missy had been in an accident. Then BB called MT back to tell her that Missy had been murdered after he was informed after the second call from LE. After that' MT called KS and others over to the house.

The way I have interpreted the statement was that "morning before we knew anything had happened" (BEFORE BB and MT had known Missy was murdered and not in some type of accident), BB and MT had a conversation "I’ve told her, I’ve told her she’s got to be careful."

And BB could have told Missy to be careful for any number of reasons. I have people in my life that anytime I walk out the house they tell me to be careful. I have a friend who drives like a bat out of hell all the time, I tell her to be careful. I have a friend that's so clumsy its comical, I tell her to be careful. I have a friend that works early morning hours, I tell to be careful. And the list goes on.

Exactly

 

[ocgrad]

Why would he share his warning to MB with his mom though? From MTs own interview, she apparently didn't even know they had marital or financial troubles. This points to not a close share everything mom/son relationship so seems a little "off" to me, MOO.

I have noticed and done the same, we have translated "financial and marital struggle" to assume money troubles. They may have been rolling in dough but fought or struggled over it. One spouse wanting new car and boat the other wanting a bigger house or college savings. One working hard and the other not contributing as much, one fit the other unwell. Struggle, power play, not necessarily short of money. Maybe BB did rely on speaking a lot with his mom who heard about the marital struggle. So maybe he was so concerned he spoke to her prior to 5 am that morning, a premonition, it could happen, but then he did say the camper woke him up.

 

[SteveS]

Well nothing in the interview suggested she was talking about a conversation that happened on Sunday. It would be more common to say, "the morning before it happened" if the conversation took place before it happened. What she said was "the morning before we knew it happened". That's after it happened but before knowing about it. 2 different things.

Actually, depending on how it was said, either meaning could be in view with those identical words. Right? Right.

"the morning before it happened"
a - on a specific morning, the one before day X
b - at a specific point during the day of an event

Part of it probably hinges on how we see - and more importantly, how they thought when speaking - as to what was the morning before the event. I'm thinking they thought of this as a nighttime event, and that the morning immediately preceding that was on Sunday. And logically, I can't imagine an idle conversation between BB and his mom at 4 am or earlier, discussing fears about MB's work, so there's that clue to understanding as well, because if we take a view that this was a Monday conversation being mentioned, then it had to have taken place before MB was killed ("before it HAPPENED" rather than "before we heard about it"), thus a 3-4 am talk. Not seeing it.

 

[ocgrad]

This just doesn't strike me as odd. BB talked to a camper and LE once before he knew that Missy had been murdered. (there's links for everything but I'm not going hunting for them)

IIRC
After the camper or LE called BB, he called MT and told her that Missy had been in an accident. Then BB called MT back to tell her that Missy had been murdered after he was informed after the second call from LE. After that' MT called KS and others over to the house.

The way I have interpreted the statement was that "morning before we knew anything had happened" (BEFORE BB and MT had known Missy was murdered and not in some type of accident), BB and MT had a conversation "I’ve told her, I’ve told her she’s got to be careful."

And BB could have told Missy to be careful for any number of reasons. I have people in my life that anytime I walk out the house they tell me to be careful. I have a friend who drives like a bat out of hell all the time, I tell her to be careful. I have a friend that's so clumsy its comical, I tell her to be careful. I have a friend that works early morning hours, I tell to be careful. And the list goes on.

Ok. But she said "before we knew anything had happened". I can understand misspeaking. I'm trying not to assume I know what she meant and just reading what she actually said.
People also tell me, "be careful", "drive safe", BB told her to "Be prepared". That's subtly different. Could mean nothing except he thought the world is dangerous for a woman alone. Just depends on how many odd statements and behaviors and coincidences can be ignored or when all adds up to possible involvement. Again, just speculating possible scenarios.

 

[ocgrad]

Actually, depending on how it was said, either meaning could be in view with those identical words. Right? Right.

"the morning before it happened"
a - on a specific morning, the one before day X
b - at a specific point during the day of an event

Part of it probably hinges on how we see - and more importantly, how they thought when speaking - as to what was the morning before the event. I'm thinking they thought of this as a nighttime event, and that the morning immediately preceding that was on Sunday. And logically, I can't imagine an idle conversation between BB and his mom at 4 am or earlier, discussing fears about MB's work, so there's that clue to understanding as well, because if we take a view that this was a Monday conversation being mentioned, then it had to have taken place before MB was killed ("before it HAPPENED" rather than "before we heard about it"), thus a 3-4 am talk. Not seeing it.

I will just throw the quote out once more so it's accurate as stated since we have torn it up a bit and move on. "The morning before we knew anything had happened, 'I've told her I've told her to be careful."

 

[SandyQLS]

Well nothing in the interview suggested she was talking about a conversation that happened on Sunday. It would be more common to say, "the morning before it happened" if the conversation took place before it happened. What she said was "the morning before we knew it happened". That's after it happened but before knowing about it. 2 different things.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/04/20/...dlothian-mother-was-worried-about-her-safety/

published April 20, 2016 5:48PM

"...Bevers’ mother-in-law, Marsha Tucker said her son was worried for some time about Missy teaching early morning workout classes.

“The morning before we knew anything had happened, he said ‘I’ve told her, I’ve told her she’s got to be careful.’ He was just so afraid something would happen,” said Tucker, who admitted Missy was very trusting. “She might have been a little too naive for her own good, but she was a trusting soul. I guess she just thought everyone was good.”..."

crimeblog.dallasnews.com and yahoo.com make the same exact quote of the bolded words.

JMO It is not unusual after a death following long-term illness to see early onset use of the past tense in reference to the deceased because imminent death has already been accepted before the death occurs. It is somewhat unusual for there to be early onset use of past tense verbs in cases a traumatic sudden death. It reveals early acceptance of the death. People shocked by a sudden traumatic death often continue to speak of the person in the present tense, continue to think of the person in the present tense, continue in the little habits of every day regarding the person.

 

[Seriously?]

Ok. But she said "before we knew anything had happened". I can understand misspeaking. I'm trying not to assume I know what she meant and just reading what she actually said.
People also tell me, "be careful", "drive safe", BB told her to "Be prepared". That's subtly different. Could mean nothing except he thought the world is dangerous for a woman alone. Just depends on how many odd statements and behaviors and coincidences can be ignored or when all adds up to possible involvement. Again, just speculating possible scenarios.

Regardless of how the words are parsed, making this statement following the brutal murder seems very odd. In my opinion, it doesn't matter if she was talking about Monday morning, Sunday morning or six months ago. It's an odd thing to say following the murder of a close relative - especially a murder that occurred in the presumed same circumstances of the warnings or cautions. Again.......my opinion.

 

[Camerabug]

Just watching Policing the Police | FRONTLINE | PBS about Newark, NJ PD and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw an officer wearing a tactical vest that looked exactly like the one SP had on...this makes me wonder..I had assumed someone had a black down vest and added the Police patches..now I'm not sure...

 

[ZVEDZA]

You have opined that perp parked at SW corner, entered there, and exited there.
* In your view, why would he have parked there, if he didn't have a way to exit there?
* How would he have gotten in there, since there is no damage there?
* How was he going to exit there, as there is no damage to those doors to allow him to exit, and in your view he had no expectation anyone else was going to open them?
* What's the explanation for the extensive damage to the kitchen door on the other side of the building from the SW corner, that LE determined was made by perp gaining entry?
* How can LE be so befuddled to not recognize point-of-entry, despite being on the scene and getting to examine the physical evidence?
* Why do you think LE was so off-base, re your thinking, in believing perp exited the other side of the building?

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
SteveS, please see my replies to your statements below in blue font. Once again this proves why LE does not release information to the public without an absolute need. People have a tendency of 'making up' a version of events that they think are true.
To answer your questions:
You have opined that perp parked at SW corner, entered there, and exited there.
I gave an opinion of where perp may have parked due to a lack of noticeable precipitation on the videos.Never gave an opinion on an entrance or exit point.
* In your view, why would he have parked there, if he didn't have a way to exit there?
All the perp has to do is push the doors open from the inside to exit the building. Those types of doors have a bar on them which when pushed opens them..even if they are locked from the outside.
* How would he have gotten in there, since there is no damage there?
Since there was no damage there, the perp probably entered the church at a different access point.
* How was he going to exit there, as there is no damage to those doors to allow him to exit, and in your view he had no expectation anyone else was going to open them?
Again all the perp had to do was push the bar on the door to open them.
* What's the explanation for the extensive damage to the kitchen door on the other side of the building from the SW corner, that LE determined was made by perp gaining entry?
If LE thinks the perp entered at that point then that is where the perp entered. The damage pattern used at point of entry is very easy to identify.
* How can LE be so befuddled to not recognize point-of-entry, despite being on the scene and getting to examine the physical evidence?
I don't know if LE is befuddled or not. It is very easy for us to tell where access had been made.
* Why do you think LE was so off-base, re your thinking, in believing perp exited the other side of the building?
I darn sure don't think LE is off-base at all. LE knows where the perp exited.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
In investigations that I've been a part of where burglary/vandalism resulted in a homicide, "burglary gone wrong", and where we haven't been able to immediately identify the perpetrator it does take a lot of time to get an arrest.
As most of you know it is a capital crime here in Texas to commit murder in the process of burglarizing an establishment. In these cases it takes anywhere from a week to a year before the perpetrator is arrested for burglarizing another establishment.
On a daily basis LE personnel assigned to investigate the capital crime is made aware of any and all arrests made where the original crime of burglary is made. If LE has a strong hit on a suspect, bond will try to be denied for a few days in order to verify certain evidence.
If the verification of evidence ranks high enough LE will work with the courts to set the bond amount very high so that the suspect stays incarcerated long enough for DNA, electronic, suspect relationships to others are established, etc. data to be analized.
Once LE is confident enough the case is presented to the DA.
If a suspect is incarcerated LE has time to get an 'air tight' case built....without regard to the public asking for answers. This process has been know to take several months. The most important factor for us is that a conviction is made.

Zvedza: Does this look promising to you for an arrest? Or cold case?

 

[SandyQLS]

I have noticed and done the same, we have translated "financial and marital struggle" to assume money troubles. They may have been rolling in dough but fought or struggled over it. One spouse wanting new car and boat the other wanting a bigger house or college savings. One working hard and the other not contributing as much, one fit the other unwell. Struggle, power play, not necessarily short of money. Maybe BB did rely on speaking a lot with his mom who heard about the marital struggle. So maybe he was so concerned he spoke to her prior to 5 am that morning, a premonition, it could happen, but then he did say the camper woke him up.

...RSBM...
"One setback he did mention involves the family's health insurance. Because Missy was the primary person listed on the policy and is deceased, he says he was recently told his insurance is longer valid.

"No one told me. I was going to use that for counseling services for the girls," he says."

http://www.people.com/article/texas-fitness-instructor-died-husband-speaks

BB seems worried about relatively insignificant money in that People quote. JMO I have all kinds of problems with an insurer saying this if the premiums were paid timely and an unexpected death occurred, there should be an extension or transfer clause, not a sudden "That's it, too bad!" at the moment of the primary's death regarding continuation for dependents.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

It's my belief, MT is saying the converstion with BB was SUNDAY morning, not Monday morning.

That's how I took it too

 

[observation]

It's really nice to Cags back and posting some polls. So, looks like most of us voted that MB was a target at Creek Side Church. Male/female perp more split down the middle. This case is perplexing and I post less but enjoy reading. It's way to easy to fall behind on this thread. Happy hump day!


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