TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #32

[Cannonball3804]

she may have gone that way but it is not a road many travel once you get past turn off for 1387 here unless you live off that road. Lots of sharp turns and long. It's easier to go I-35 and turn onto 287 or 1387 and come up to Walnut Grove to 287. Especially with the rain we were having. If SP had activated camera inside church is there a possibility that might have captured her truck lights?

That's what I think. Either the camera was already recording and captured the lights, or the lights themselves activated the camera.


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[privateaye]

That's what I think. Either the camera was already recording and captured the lights, or the lights themselves activated the camera.


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Can't remember which article, but it was stated they could see a part of the perps car out back via an internal camera. Maybe same deal with her car, but another internal camera

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[SP84]

A lot of folks keep repeating the statement that MB had moved the workout inside the building. If you have proof, I'd like to see it.

You can see on her FB, with respect to her camp at the convention center, that she said they were camping under the awning due to rain.

So I don't know why the church would be any different?


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IIRC The storm that morning was pretty aggressive (I live in the area.)

She may have initially thought the rain was light enough to workout under the cover of the awning, but, upon arrival, she saw that it was storming too heavily. Then made the call to setup inside.

I go to CG in a neighboring city. We also had our workout moved inside of the church that we workout at on that same morning (at 4:30am.)

 

[WannaBDetective]

The 5'7 to 5'2 continues to bug me. They've got to know closer than that.

Could LE be telling us it's two perps (married couple maybe) and ones around 5'7. And the other about 5'2?

 

[zoeneli]

First time posting to Websleuths. I just want to say that you all have done a tremendous amount of work on this. Kudos.

I still don't understand why someone would commit this crime at the church. I've read the theory that the SP may have felt that this was the perfect chance to catch MB alone and, yes, I agree that it's possible but it still seems like a less than ideal location. If the SP followed MB's FB post about preparing to go to the church, he/she may have assumed that there would be a window of time that MB would be alone before the campers showed up. That's fine but it still seems overly risky. There would've been no way to know how much of a window would be available. The SP couldn't be certain that the crime would go off without a hitch or that one of the campers wouldn't show up much earlier than expected. And not only campers, what if LE showed up? MB's vehicle would've been parked outside of the church at a very early hour. An officer on patrol may have noticed this and stopped to investigate. So again, why choose this time and this location? I think this may suggest that at least a second person was involved in a spotter/lookout capacity. Someone positioned outside of the church to give a warning if someone unexpectedly showed up. Then again, perhaps the SP didn't care about that or even consider it. I find that unlikely considering the choice to use the tactical gear (or what appears to be tactical gear).

This might also suggest it was simply a B&E and MB stumbled upon it. I don't really buy this. The church would've been quiet and I'd think that the SP would've been alerted to MB's presence and could've hidden rather than murder her. There would be ample places to hide and wait things out. No, this had to be SP waiting to ambush MB but I can't wrap my head around why that time and place. It has to have some significance. I'm not saying it necessarily had anything to do with religion but the SP wanted the murder to occur at that location.

Welcome, jhhollier!

For me the significance of the church was nothing more that where she would be. I am not sure about this part, but I don't believe she had another job that provided a regular schedule. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, I don't want to propagate more incorrect information. Her CG classes may have provided the only predictable location outside of her home. I believe that predictable nature of her prepping for those classes is what lead to her death. I am still firmly of the opinion that MB was the target and SP knew she got there around 4:15am, knew most campers didn't arrive before 4:30 and knew the campers didn't generally come inside the building. I just can't see that being the outfit of choice for someone committing B&E and I can't see a hammer being the tool of choice for someone targeting her for something less personal (she had inside information on a stolen gun ring, money laundering, etc). That would leave someone wanting to role play LE wandering through a building. I have a hard time understanding why that person would pick a building plastered with "surveillance" signs all over their property and how they would make the leap to murderer when surprised.

 

[Razz]

IIRC The storm that morning was pretty aggressive (I live in the area.)

She may have initially thought the rain was light enough to workout under the cover of the awning, but, upon arrival, she saw that it was storming too heavily. Then made the call to setup inside.

I go to CG in a neighboring city. We also had our workout moved inside of the church that we workout at on that same morning (at 4:30am.)

I hate to bring this up as I'm not going to search for it to confirm but I'm hoping somone will remember that supposedly AT texted re that particular workout would be moved indoors. Does anyone recall that? I read it about halfway through all these threads. If not, disregard.

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[Jethro4WS]

Since two people asked why I believe the Altima has a special plate and others may be interested I will post this just to the thread.

First a slide as way to visualize the explanation.

I have posted a larger image of the front view from a slightly different angle to help things out.

The first thing to talk about is the images of the car at the top. If you examine either image you will see that the images show no vertical or horizontal displacement. You also don't see any whirls. The only disruptions to the images are the plate blur, and the effect of sunlight as it hits the right corner of that car (from the viewer perspective). Also, the lighting from the sun is very consistent across the front. So we have a "clean" image of the front of the car including the plate to work with. Best you could hope for with Street View.

Now on to the plate. This plate has a template that is consistent with others seen (examples shown).
Starting with the top of the plate. This plate will have red to the left and green to the right. The white part in between is the word "TEXAS" in white letters. So we know at least 3 colors that make up this plate.

The bottom part of the plate has black "numbers" (could be numbers or letters but I am using the common vernacular) on the right side of the plate. On the left side, starting from left to right, we see white space, followed by "something", then white space and then the "numbers". If you look at the head on shot and the bigger one from the angle you will notice that with the one from an angle there appears to be less white to the left and more white to the right of "something". This is the effect of the angle. The amount of white space on either side of that "something" is the same as in the head on shot. I am highly confident that Google didn't add that white to obfuscate the plate due to the spacing unchanging despite the angle.

So what could this "something" be. Remember the lighting across the plate is consistent. And whatever color it is doesn't change from straight on to the angled shot. The first thing is whatever color it is, it is lighter than the black numbers and it isn't green. The second thing is that it is fairly consistent, in my opinion, with the color at the top left of the plate which is known to be red for this template even though the red isn't as apparent in the photo. So in my opinion whatever this is, is either red, or the dominant color, if more than one color, is red but possibly a different shade of red than at the top left of the plate. Red, when surrounded by that much white will appear lighter than what would be seen at the top left of the plate as well. I am less confident of the color than I am that this is a special plate, but my confidence in the color is strong.

The third thing is that the spacing from the letters is pretty wide. The apparent shape that is there doesn't seem consistent with the font of the "numbers" on the right side of the plate. It appears to me to be a "Y" shape as it seems wider at the top. But due to the blur I am less confident of the shape than I am for other components of the plate, but I don't see it consistent with the "numbers" font.

I am highly confident that this is a special plate with a symbol and 4 "numbers". While I am less confident of the color of the symbol I have strong confidence of it being red or mostly red. I am less confident of the apparent shape, due to the blur, but I have reasonable confidence in it being "Y" shaped. When the template for this plate was first issued or when it ended I don't know. I don't have any special plate designs from those years (since I don't even know them) to better identify what that symbol may be as they too may have changed over time. Going to the Texas DMV and seeing current designs has only limited value.

 

[Cannonball3804]

The 5'7 to 5'2 continues to bug me. They've got to know closer than that.

Could LE be telling us it's two perps (married couple maybe) and ones around 5'7. And the other about 5'2?

The interesting thing about the perp height... After the Tarrant folks came out and did the video reconstruction, MPD announced on 5/13 that it had given them a better description of the perp, but that they were not releasing any details at this time. Then a week later on 5/20, they do release details. But instead of it giving a better description, the range of heights doubled from 3 inches to 6 inches while not giving any better description of gender, race, or body type/weight.

So something doesn't add up there. I tend to take most of what they tell us at face value and believe it. But with the perp description, I think what they know and what they've told us are two different things.


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[Cannonball3804]

Since two people asked why I believe the Altima has a special plate and others may be interested I will post this just to the thread.

When the template for this plate was first issued or when it ended I don't know. I don't have any special plate designs from those years (since I don't even know them) to better identify what that symbol may be as they too may have changed over time. Going to the Texas DMV and seeing current designs has only limited value.

Snipped for space. Jethro, here is a link to the discontinued plates along with an explanation of how long specialty plates are valid for a vehicle before they have to be replaced. Check out the discontinued plates and see if any of them looks like your car.

https://www.myplates.com/features/discontinued

 

[x_files]

The interesting thing about the perp height... After the Tarrant folks came out and did the video reconstruction, MPD announced on 5/13 that it had given them a better description of the perp, but that they were not releasing any details at this time. Then a week later on 5/20, they do release details. But instead of it giving a better description, the range of heights doubled from 3 inches to 6 inches while not giving any better description of gender, race, or body type/weight.

So something doesn't add up there. I tend to take most of what they tell us at face value and believe it. But with the perp description, I think what they know and what they've told us are two different things.


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Or the specialists are incompentent and I hope that's not the case! Why hide these details? What do they gain by deceiving the public?

 

[11frogs]

I am posting this again to get some thoughts please.

maybe someone copied MBs church key or borrowed her truck and keys and had it copied. She would have never known. (family member - friend)

1)This would have given 2nd perp opportunity to enter building once SP told 2nd perp where to hide away and not be seen by cameras. Just a thought

2) it might have given SP opportunity to check out church ahead of time. Church would not have known they had an intruder.

 

[x_files]

I am posting this again to get some thoughts please.

maybe someone copied MBs church key or borrowed her truck and keys and had it copied. She would have never known. (family member - friend)

1)This would have given 2nd perp opportunity to enter building once SP told 2nd perp where to hide away and not be seen by cameras. Just a thought

2) it might have given SP opportunity to check out church ahead of time. Church would not have known they had an intruder.

Highly possible and I hope LE viewd CCTV footage weeks & months prior to see if any cameras were disabled prior.

 

[moonchild7]

Nice to find someone else in here who thinks this.

(Appreciate the thoughtful post, too.)

I am posting this again to get some thoughts please.

maybe someone copied MBs church key or borrowed her truck and keys and had it copied. She would have never known. (family member - friend)

1)This would have given 2nd perp opportunity to enter building once SP told 2nd perp where to hide away and not be seen by cameras. Just a thought

2) it might have given SP opportunity to check out church ahead of time. Church would not have known they had an intruder.

My thoughts are basically the same about 2 perps: one as a scout (SP) and the second as the murderer. I wrote more detail in post #776. Rather than having a church key made from MB's key, I went with the consensus (IIRC) that entry was gained by breaking in. SP's demeanor just didn't appear as if he/she was ramping up to a murder; more of one who was paving the way or checking things out.

 

[x_files]

My thoughts are basically the same about 2 perps: one as a scout (SP) and the second as the murderer. I wrote more detail in post #776. Rather than having a church key made from MB's key, I went with the consensus (IIRC) that entry was gained by breaking in. SP's demeanor just didn't appear as if he/she was ramping up to a murder; more of one who was paving the way or checking things out.

I could see two perps. I wonder what LE knows.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Pretty heavy response on the perp(s) going to the church on foot. Caught me off guard a bit. So where did they come from?

Remember it was a pretty good rainstorm. He/She/They (crud, now we're up to 3 scenarios), didn't look wet or muddy. The only thing nearby (and it's not that close) is the gun store with 30 something high-end cameras. Can't imagine he/she/they walked along the highway, dressed or bag in hand.

And the fastest exit is probably vehicle.

Thoughts?

On foot the only real path into and out of the church is to the North. A path southward is extremely difficult with the way Texas DOT set those bridges and very steep walls underneath to the creek. Other than running across a highway there isn't a practical way through.

If you check out Google Earth to the North there will be a bridge that crosses the North Prong Creek from the west side to the east side near the nearest house and only house before the reservoir further up. Further up along the west side of the creek there is a cross-over at the spillway of that dam. To the east of that is road - 19th ave. Further north you start to run into more houses. If you go north and then west from the church you will encounter a high voltage transmission tower cut-through path extending to Walnut Grove and beyond though like the other side the further North you go the more houses you encounter.

The name of that reservoir identifies that this is a soil conservation area. So the problem being controlled is soil erosion. In Google Earth you will see various channels to the creek to control just where water would flow to it - there is at least one path that seems uncontrolled. There is at vegetation throughout the area North and not as much bare soil, this helps to keep the soil in place.. So, I wouldn't expect this to be as muddy as some think despite the rain.

It is true the fastest way out is a vehicle. But unless you are going to steal a vehicle in addition to carrying out this crime you run the greater risk of your vehicle being seen on a camera somewhere. If your car is modern it may have OnStar or LoJack that will be pinging your location out - unless you disconnect that stuff. You have a risk running into a road closure due to standing water or even an accident. A flat tire. The car won't start. You don't want to be the guy/gal with the flat tire and the SP suit in the car should a police officer come across you driving at that time of night and determine they have probable cause to suspect you might be up to no good to go on a little fishing expedition with you. If you should get stopped you might "look nervous" (and that could mean anything when it comes to the way LE operate) to said officer.

If someone planned this to murder Missy and get away with it the planner would have to have a lot of confidence that those kinds of risks are mitigated. If this is a burglary gone wrong I would expect a car for sure because there is a good chance they aren't even thinking about any of these risks.

There are risks entering and leaving as well. Just like the car you can still be seen. You will be moving slower. Though I will add you can hide yourself much easier than you can hide your car and yourself. It will be dark. It will be wet. You will have to pass by some houses. However, you do control just how far away from those houses (and any dogs) you will pass. With a vehicle you don't. There are no doubt more.

Every individual will assess these risks differently and decide their way in and out.

The only thing MPD ever said about a car was that they said one was partially seen on surveillance in the first conference. They haven't said anything about that since. One thing that I have been wondering about is that the first press conference was early in this and I wonder if the golf cart that is parked in the Northwest entryway before you get to the vestibule was what they had seen. If you enlarge a screen cap of the West (main) hall - where we see SP across from Holy Grounds - you can make out the golf cart in the distance. At this point there is no way to know unless MPD tells us.

As I said in another post MPD knows when MB arrived at the church prior to entering the church. They know that somehow. And that is either via an outdoor church camera in the Southwest entryway or from the SWFA cameras. If it is the church camera then we know SWFA footage from that time period isn't helpful. If it is SFWA then there should be a reasonable chance that if MB's vehicle was picked up by that camera the other vehicle would have been. MPD has never stated if the vehicle mentioned in the first press conference was stationary, entering, or exiting.

 

[moonchild7]

I could see two perps. I wonder what LE knows.

The 2-perp theory explains the following to me (when I look at the intended murder scenario) and what many WS posters have also brought up:

1. The advantage of having someone on "lookout" to notify about possible interference AND about MB's arrival.
2. The unhurried and "unemotional" behavior of SP.
3. The variance in height: many WS posters believe SP to be much taller than LE's disclosed height, so LE could have reported the height of the second perp.

Just a thought here, but one perp (the stronger of the two) may have disabled MB, while the other completed the murder.

What are some other reasons for considering a 2-perp theory?

 

[Jethro4WS]

she may have gone that way but it is not a road many travel once you get past turn off for 1387 here unless you live off that road. Lots of sharp turns and long. It's easier to go I-35 and turn onto 287 or 1387 and come up to Walnut Grove to 287. Especially with the rain we were having. If SP had activated camera inside church is there a possibility that might have captured her truck lights?

The possibilities for seeing truck lights from inside would be on the North end of the West (main) hall and seeing it with the camera in the Southwest looking that direction. The northeast by a camera located in the Northwest area looking East down the North hall. Southeast by the camera in the southwest facing east. Southwest by that same camera. And finally the west entry by a camera aimed at the west entry.

Any of the outside intermittently working cameras.

 

[Coco'sMommy]

The interesting thing about the perp height... After the Tarrant folks came out and did the video reconstruction, MPD announced on 5/13 that it had given them a better description of the perp, but that they were not releasing any details at this time. Then a week later on 5/20, they do release details. But instead of it giving a better description, the range of heights doubled from 3 inches to 6 inches while not giving any better description of gender, race, or body type/weight.

So something doesn't add up there. I tend to take most of what they tell us at face value and believe it. But with the perp description, I think what they know and what they've told us are two different things.


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Right. Because how is widening the possibility of perp's height giving anyone a better description? Doesn't make sense. It has to be what was rbbm.

 

[liz b.]

The 2-perp theory explains the following to me (when I look at the intended murder scenario) and what many WS posters have also brought up:

1. The advantage of having someone on "lookout" to notify about possible interference AND about MB's arrival.
2. The unhurried and "unemotional" behavior of SP.
3. The variance in height: many WS posters believe SP to be much taller than LE's disclosed height, so LE could have reported the height of the second perp.

Just a thought here, but one perp (the stronger of the two) may have disabled MB, while the other completed the murder.

What are some other reasons for considering a 2-perp theory?

If the murder actually was recorded. jmo

 

[Coco'sMommy]

I could see two perps. I wonder what LE knows.

Hey, x_files. Do you mean two actual perps on scene, or two involved in the murder, possibly one inside the church and one outside as a driver, lookout, etc?