TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #33

[Jethro4WS]

I definitely think there is a good chance the SWFA camera that recorded the Altima would have seen MB's headlights as she passed (assuming she came from that direction). I haven't ever mapped where she lived in relation to Creekside. I think it is also very possible the camera in the SW corner could have recorded her headlights pulling in under the PC. If not enough to trigger recording, there is enough glass in that area that the reflection would have been recorded if SP's movement already had them recording.

Does anyone know if that black area by the wheel chair is the actual outer door? If so, her headlights could have possibly even caused enough motion to start the camera recording.

I have spent time mapping the church. One of the things I haven't done is much work with the car port to see what angles the headlights would have to that glass. It is possible that they could be seen. Her truck was parked facing west and I don't know if where she had entered to go under the car port (it is a little east of the entry way to those vestibule doors) - she would be briefly turning toward the north and then on to the west. But only if she went around the front of the church and made the immediate first left and then the hard left into the car port. If she instead went a little further beyond that first left and made a wider turn in the parking lot before entering the car port she would be pointed north or toward the direction of the vestibule (there are posts and bushes on the island on the far end of the car port). So, that might still be the best bet. If she went around the back of the building and pulled into the car port (making a right) the headlights might not have the angles to get to the vestibule area.

The entry way from the edge of the building (from the outside) to the outer doors of the vestibule - just through the doors in your image but can't be seen - is 21 feet deep.

As for whether you can see the next set of doors, there is 5 feet of space between the doors you see in your image and the next set of doors so maybe part of the outer glass can be seen. That glass would be to the right of those outer doors if you were facing those doors. The angles from that camera can't see the outer doors.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I found that 2 of MB's campers had Nissan Altimas and sent that in to law enforcement via email several weeks ago - 1 had been sold just after the murder and the other one was still owned. Law enforcement emailed back about the sold one that it was the wrong color. I didn't hear back about the 2nd one. I subscribe to PublicData.com where I can look at what vehicles are registered to owners, drivers license info, license plate numbers, addresses, criminal records, etc.

At least I am not alone. Good to know you have that access. I am sure it is helpful.

 

[DietDrPepper]

Since I researched my POI(s) thoroughly I have seen the inside of that house via videos and photos. Creepy thought.

Jethro, I don't understand "creepy thought". Is your POI house creepy in what I assume are realtor photos? Or is it that you are creeped out that a POI could live in this typical home yet be such a villain?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Autopsy not performed until next day. At that point the coroner may have observed a point of entry consistent with a gunshot wound possibly obscured by puncture wounds.

That is what I think - though I suspect the ME might have found injuries away from the point of entry (which like you opine might have be obfuscated) consistent with a high velocity impact.

 

[Razz]

At least I am not alone. Good to know you have that access. I am sure it is helpful.

I was just wondering. With the car photos, did you happen to notice if it had a handicapped sign or maybe parked in a handicap spot?

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[rodee34]

I worked on some Altima pics - don't know if you'll be able to see anything.

first shot is of the driver's back of the head (and it appears he is wearing some sort of hat) and it appears guy in the backseat behind him. second shot is another individual in the backseat passenger side appears to be holding a phone or possibly a handgun and you can even make out his/her thumb. course could be I'm just seeing things. (I tried to do a little yellow arrow pointing at the thumb)

IMHO I doubt the Altima is related to MB's case

Right-handed.. ?

 

[x_files]

Right-handed.. ?

I see a bald round man's head with a straw hat on.

 

[janesmith787]

I must be blind, because I don't see anything in that Altima. As far as public data.com access, I've done the same thing for a lot of the suspects that were of interest. I didn't see an Altima registered to them.

Jethro, could the symbol you're seeing be a firefighter emblem?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Jethro, I don't understand "creepy thought". Is your POI house creepy in what I assume are realtor photos? Or is it that you are creeped out that a POI could live in this typical home yet be such a villain?

Don't you think it is creepy that someone can virtually get inside your home, can hear your voice, etc. via photos and videos - through things you post on SM - totally unknown to you and for a purpose you never intended?

 

[rodee34]

1 On the day of the murder, the CCoC exterior cams worked "not at all" rather than "intermittently." That's explicitly what LE said. ("We had video during previous times of exterior footage but on the day of the murder we don't have exterior footage from the cameras outside ....")

2 SWFA cam coverage of CCoC that night is theoretically possible, but objectively quite unlikely. In fact, given the distance, the separation of a divided highway and 1/2 mile away, and lots of trees in-between, and the fact that SWFA wants their cams to focus on their own property, maybe not ever. But that night, even more unlikely, given the fact it was middle of night darkness, and it was HEAVY rain when MB was arriving, further obscuring any potential visibility of any cam that might have theoretically had some view.

Perhaps it could have been possible to see at least the truck headlights from the SWFA with this camera angle. Especially since it's so dark there at night and little traffic. You can clearly see the COC in the background there. What do you think?

[video=youtube;gu_5OKjceUo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu_5OKjceUo[/video]

 

[rodee34]

"She's walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her."

And then from GaPeach, #2 Post in this thread:

"However, now that we know MB entered through the SW doors I am left with many questions:"

Call me confused.

I have been under the impression MB was murdered close to the vestibule, the doors she entered.

From the first bolded statement made by LE, she was walking down the main hallway. To be doing this, it would be away from the doors she entered. How was this murder not caught on camera?

Out of camera range.. or turned a corner (hallway).

 

[SteveS]

Perhaps it could have been possible to see at least the truck headlights from the SWFA with this camera angle. Especially since it's so dark there at night and little traffic. You can clearly see the COC in the background there. What do you think?

Possible? Sure, in ideal conditions perhaps.
Do I think it likely happened? No. Very heavy rain, makes visibility very poor. And I'd guess their video doesn't record without something to trigger it, to lessen demands on storage capacity and time needed to review footage. But without knowing the latter and doing a field test on the former, it's just a guess.

 

[Jethro4WS]

"She's walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her."

And then from GaPeach, #2 Post in this thread:

"However, now that we know MB entered through the SW doors I am left with many questions:"

Call me confused.

I have been under the impression MB was murdered close to the vestibule, the doors she entered.

From the first bolded statement made by LE, she was walking down the main hallway. To be doing this, it would be away from the doors she entered. How was this murder not caught on camera?

That is the $64,000 question isn't it. If she came in those SW doors we absolutely know those cameras were working. There is a blind spot behind the cameras in that corner because the cameras are pointed other directions. And there may be blind spots of about 10 to 15 feet (beyond the range of motion detection) in each direction those cameras are viewing down the halls. But having not seen any footage from cameras from those opposite directions or from a camera I would expect to exist in the west side main entry area (facing the entry i.e. pointing west) the exact size of any blind spots can't be known with certainty. The killer is either very lucky or very intelligent.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Are your POIs in LE?

No, not LE.

 

[rodee34]

Possible? Sure, in ideal conditions perhaps.
Do I think it likely happened? No. Very heavy rain, makes visibility very poor. And I'd guess their video doesn't record without something to trigger it, to lessen demands on storage capacity and time needed to review footage. But without knowing the latter and doing a field test on the former, it's just a guess.

There was very heavy rain.. but it had stopped at some point, between 4 and 4:30am, because I was outside at 4:45 a.m. and the first thing I noticed was the concrete had dry spots. I noticed it because of the dang rain that just wouldn't stop for days on end. I am a few miles away though, and you know how it can be pouring on one side of the street and not the other here. A field test would help. I can also understand the inside cameras of the COC picking up the headlights, if the angle of the drive up is just right. (You know how the driveway slants a bit on that side.)

 

[rodee34]

Don't you think it is creepy that someone can virtually get inside your home, can hear your voice, etc. via photos and videos - through things you post on SM - totally unknown to you and for a purpose you never intended?

I literally have all my computer cameras covered with sticky notes... just in case. What if someone saw me working in my jammies? LOL!

 

[SteveS]

There was very heavy rain.. but it had stopped at some point, between 4 and 4:30am, because I was outside at 4:45 a.m. and the first thing I noticed was the concrete had dry spots. I noticed it because of the dang rain that just wouldn't stop for days on end. I am a few miles away though, and you know how it can be pouring on one side of the street and not the other here. A field test would help. I can also understand the inside cameras of the COC picking up the headlights, if the angle of the drive up is just right. (You know how the driveway slants a bit on that side.)

I have splits for 20 minute intervals in that area that morning (less than a mile away), and it was still raining cats and dogs until 4:35 or shortly before. About 1/5 of an inch (which is VERY heavy rain) every 20 minutes from 3:35 to 3:55 to 4:15: to 4:35.

Then in the 4:35 to 4:55 interval, it dropped off considerably, just as you've noted.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I was just wondering. With the car photos, did you happen to notice if it had a handicapped sign or maybe parked in a handicap spot?

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No. The one I posted is right next to a dumpster enclosure away from the main parking area of a building.

 

[TeaTime]

Unless there is a witness to the murder who is talking to LE, all evidence in the possession of LE is, by definition, circumstantial.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I must be blind, because I don't see anything in that Altima. As far as public data.com access, I've done the same thing for a lot of the suspects that were of interest. I didn't see an Altima registered to them.

Jethro, could the symbol you're seeing be a firefighter emblem?

Can't say with any certainty. But it looks a lot like the veterans symbols that have a "V" shaped ribbon with a medal below - that would produce a "Y" shape when looking at it from that kind of distance. But since I don't know with any certainty what the lifetime of that plate template is - when it was introduced, discontinued, and when that plate would have to be turned in for a new one - I can't know if the designs for such a symbol are the same as seen for current plates. So that is the uncertainty with my guess.