TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[rodee34]

:seeya:

:coffeews: Marking my spot....

 

[Jethro4WS]

Snipped by me (in case mods go clean up mode and yank your whole comment with what you replied to hope you understand) ...

Besides, "financial problems" is a catch-all term covering a wide range of issues from serious to not so much. We don't know if they were headed to bankruptcy and foreclosure, or if they just were maxed out on their lines of credit and had to borrow from family temporarily. We don't know if they owed money to the IRS. We don't know if they were being sued for a lot of money by someone. So without details it's hard to draw many conclusions.

My observation, and we have seen it not only here but almost right away in the media, is that "financial issues" is almost always taken to mean that there was some shortage of money or deep debt and that sort of thing. However, the financial issues could be something different. So hypothetically, Missy may have been earning money and not contributing much, if anything, back to the household and BB may not have known just how much she was making until 1099s showed up. So, it is possible given the hypothetical that financial issues can mean something else entirely. That is, it could be the case that more money should have been coming into the household but wasn't and/or all the money can't be accounted for. A situation like that has much more shock, anger, etc. potential than the situation where you are bleeding money because that you will know since you actually experience it.

Just a thought for consideration.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I found this pic (maybe it has been posted before but I don't remember seeing it). This shows CG working out in front of the Worship center. You can see their mats and weights. MB May have been heading towards this area
to unload equipment or unlock front doors.

11Frogs, I saw this long ago and forgot all about it. Thank You for the reminder!
This is in front of the entrance to the Sanctuary/Auditorium (** Creekside calls it their Worship Center) .. right next to Holy Ground. You can see the tall silver trash can. If I were a betting person, I think this is exactly where the "indoor class" was conducted. We know it was at least once. I stand by my theory that this area up to the Come as You are area, and possibly the hallway prior to the door the Suspect opened JMHO

From MB facebook on Jan 3 (Sunday night) she posted:
Missy Bevers
January 3 · Ovilla, TX ·
Camp tomorrow @5:00am indoors at Creekside Church of Christ and 9:00am at Midlothian Conference Center...Bring Your Weights!
I'm off to bed...been under the weather since last night. But, will see all of you bright & early! https://www.facebook.com/missy.bevers/posts/10208364859538964

Mon Jan 4 inside Creekside

Tues Jan 5 MB posted a link https://www.facebook.com/missy.bevers/posts/10208375168836690 where WFAA did a story on CG in Mansfield. On the video it shows that Tues morning in the 5 am hour it was 34 degrees http://www.wfaa.com/features/get-whipped-into-shape-at-camp-gladiator/19546891

Wed Jan 6 posted on the CG Midlothian FB group photo in front of the WORSHIP CENTER doors - (**These same doors and area can be seen in the MPD released video )https://www.facebook.com/CampGladia...41829.530664883701470/732693300165293/?type=3 *the photo you posted

Next Mon, Jan 11 MB posted the HOLY GROUND Group photo on the CG Midothian FB and her personal FB https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...571350162298.169611.1229322185&type=3&theater

**the Jan 6 and Jan 11 are truly diff days photos, the clothing is different
area seen in Creekside CoC released by MPD

 

[arkansasmimi]

Also wanted to share, that per MPD via MPD Facebook, they state they never reported any clean up :

 

[Deleted member 172065]

There should be cameras in the NW area that are set up very much like we had seen with the cameras in the SW. That is there should be one looking South and one looking East. If those cameras were not working MPD has not said so. If MPD has video from those cameras they have not released it. Otherwise, SP had to move very specifically to avoid both of those cameras - there is a way to do so. In fact, two of them.

If MPD has video from those cameras I have no idea why they wouldn't release them. Especially the camera that would have been looking East at the NW corner because that one would have SP walking right toward that camera and we would could possibly have a much better look at their face area.

There should also have been video from a camera that should be right in the middle of that West hallway looking West toward the main entry doors since that area can't be seen from any hallway cameras (physically impossible due to the walls being in the way).

Keep in mind that for every camera we have seen where SP either is entering or leaving the range of motion detection (3 of the 4 camera we have seen) they are not more than 50 feet from the camera and more likely than not the range of motion detection with respect to entering the range of detection (rather than exiting the range) is actually in the range of 40-45 feet from the camera. Without cameras elsewhere the vast majority of the hallways have no coverage whatsoever and I highly doubt that is the case.

As for that door in the main hall they didn't open - it is very likely a closet of some sort. With the tools in their possession that door could easily have been opened, I believe they were only interested in leaving tool marks.

i don't know. I've worked places that has minimal camera coverage. Even places with good profit margins.

 

[Scout]

Also wanted to share, that per MPD via MPD Facebook, they state they never reported any clean up :
View attachment 98920

I can't see your attachment.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I can't see your attachment.

I deleted and reposted, try now. I can see it (could prior then it went to the just attachment #) sorry.

 

[Jethro4WS]

i don't know. I've worked places that has minimal camera coverage. Even places with good profit margins.

Sure, that is entirely possible. If there are actually no cameras in those areas or they weren't working and only cameras where we have seen video then it becomes much more likely than not that MPD doesn't have any more video than they released of SP. That is part of the issue.

 

[Scout]

I deleted and reposted, try now. I can see it (could prior then it went to the just attachment #) sorry.

Yes, can see it now. Thank you.

 

[Scout]

<modsnip>

He actually says "my four children".

Second video at this link:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Mi...-to-Dry-Cleaner-Search-Warrant-377343901.html

ETA: This comment has never been followed up on to explain anything abut the fourth child. I see no reason to speculate on it, but at the same time I refuse to pretend that he's saying "poor" when he's clearly saying "four". Neither will I illogically attribute it to a reference to Missy as one of his four girls. It's clear that he says "my four children". It's at about the 8:50 mark.

 

[Camerabug]

He actually says "my four children".

Second video at this link:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Mi...-to-Dry-Cleaner-Search-Warrant-377343901.html

Thank you Scout! I was about to lose my mind looking for that! I agree - he says 'my four children'

 

[Jethro4WS]

I deleted and reposted, try now. I can see it (could prior then it went to the just attachment #) sorry.

Do you know when that exchange with MPD was? Is that a screen shot of a private message exchange or did these questions and answers appear on their page?

 

[11frogs]

My observation, and we have seen it not only here but almost right away in the media, is that "financial issues" is almost always taken to mean that there was some shortage of money or deep debt and that sort of thing. However, the financial issues could be something different. So hypothetically, Missy may have been earning money and not contributing much, if anything, back to the household and BB may not have known just how much she was making until 1099s showed up. So, it is possible given the hypothetical that financial issues can mean something else entirely. That is, it could be the case that more money should have been coming into the household but wasn't and/or all the money can't be accounted for. A situation like that has much more shock, anger, etc. potential than the situation where you are bleeding money because that you will know since you actually experience it.

Just a thought for consideration.

you may have hit on something and didn't know it Jethroe.
The manager at Anytime said something had been bothering MB for two weeks prior.
Maybe they had their taxes done two weeks before and it showed something MB wasnt
expecting. Hypothetically BB in over his head which put them over their heads. Maybe
an insurance policy on MB would get them out of a possible overwhelming tax debt.

 

[11frogs]

Creekside didn't reopen until Wednesday evening per this news story.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/categ...e-churchs-exterior-cameras-off-day-of-murder/

It could be from just fixing all that was broken, maybe some clean-up and the story says elders prayed in each room of the church.

 

[Razz]

There should be cameras in the NW area that are set up very much like we had seen with the cameras in the SW. That is there should be one looking South and one looking East. If those cameras were not working MPD has not said so. If MPD has video from those cameras they have not released it. Otherwise, SP had to move very specifically to avoid both of those cameras - there is a way to do so. In fact, two of them.

If MPD has video from those cameras I have no idea why they wouldn't release them. Especially the camera that would have been looking East at the NW corner because that one would have SP walking right toward that camera and we would could possibly have a much better look at their face area.

There should also have been video from a camera that should be right in the middle of that West hallway looking West toward the main entry doors since that area can't be seen from any hallway cameras (physically impossible due to the walls being in the way).

Keep in mind that for every camera we have seen where SP either is entering or leaving the range of motion detection (3 of the 4 camera we have seen) they are not more than 50 feet from the camera and more likely than not the range of motion detection with respect to entering the range of detection (rather than exiting the range) is actually in the range of 40-45 feet from the camera. Without cameras elsewhere the vast majority of the hallways have no coverage whatsoever and I highly doubt that is the case.

As for that door in the main hall they didn't open - it is very likely a closet of some sort. With the tools in their possession that door could easily have been opened, I believe they were only interested in leaving tool marks.

Well, for whatever reason, MPD didn't show all the videos. Why? Maybe it's because cameras in the NW section didn't work, and/or at the main hallway west doorway camera. I wouldn't be surprised as none of the outside cameras worked. Probably costly to make sure they're all working. And probably a hassle too. I do think however, that there is more video available as they were able to see SP go where MB eventually ended up. I think it was probably picked up by the SW corner cameras.

And there was an open door in the main hallway before SP got to the bullentin board. One we didn't see SP open or break open.



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[ardenmost]

<modsnip>

Looking at MB's FB over the past two years, she got two new vehicles over that time. If you've sleuthed their address, they seem to have a nice house with a good bit of land. If you've sleuthed the company BB is listed as VP of, you're talking about significant revenue and few employees (I know his business is off limits so I'll stop there). Vacation to Montana last year (a month after the hysterectomy), went to Disney the year before. I don't really see a lot of evidence of financial problems. Besides, "financial problems" is a catch-all term covering a wide range of issues from serious to not so much. We don't know if they were headed to bankruptcy and foreclosure, or if they just were maxed out on their lines of credit and had to borrow from family temporarily. We don't know if they owed money to the IRS. We don't know if they were being sued for a lot of money by someone. So without details it's hard to draw many conclusions.

BB said in an interview: "my four children". That was straight from the source.

 

[ardenmost]

Someone needs to provide an acceptable link to BB having a son. They need to do so now or this thread needs some serious cleanup. If there is none then all speculation about a son needs to end immediately. This is how rumors grow legs.

BB said "my four children" in an interview

 

[arkansasmimi]

Do you know when that exchange with MPD was? Is that a screen shot of a private message exchange or did these questions and answers appear on their page?

Around May 27 and private message FB

 

[Scout]

BB said "my four children" in an interview

Yes, he did. <modsnip> And it certainly isn't a basis for speculation that this fourth child is somehow involved or is motive for Missy's murder.

 

[privateaye]

Yes, he did. <modsnip> And it certainly isn't a basis for speculation that this fourth child is somehow involved or is motive for Missy's murder.

And could he have said, "my poor children"?

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