TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[arkansasmimi]

I agree. There has to be more to it. Did something go wrong? Did they INTEND to exit differently? Or is that really evidence of TWO people breaking in in TWO different spots? Something is odd here. Coming in the kitchen says, "I know where the cameras are." Did the perp change his mind and decide to go around to the kitchen after all his hard work??

JMHO, hard work would have been the metal Kitchen exterior door beating that lock to get door open vs busting glass to enter. I think the burglary staging was on inside only, doors was for entrance. 

Jumping off of your post, JMHO, I do think the Suspect parked in the rear and that the rear NE double doors may have been the orig plan of entry. JMHO when busted the glass to release the panic bar the lock didnt release it to open. So why would someone crawl through that opening in door to enter and the probability of the 2nd glass door to do the same as just did. How are you going to get out in a hurry? Especially with that cumbersome swat gear on. Makes no sense to me. JMHO that would be one telltale reason for the MPD to know that no evidence of going out that door or entry if only one set of doors was busted (the outter) we have heard nothing to doubt that being a fact. (we have not seen or heard evidence that any other NE door busted other than the ones boarded up, possible that IF there are interior NE doors, could be some of glass busted but we have nothing to confirm that, we do have Chief of CID Spann stating no evidence of going out any broken windows) JMHO

Also the fact that some think the Suspect is returning to ROOM 8 is confusing. IF the Suspect is ALREADY in Kitchen Room 7, why would he/she not just go out the Kitchen door into the hallway. Why would he/she go from Kitchen to Room 8 via interior door then out room 8 door. That seems more probable than Suspect going INTO Room 8 to go to the Kitchen. I am not sold on the fact that that is the room Suspect is seen leaving from yet. Nor am I especially sold on the fact that the Video Snips are in real time sequence. Was not the intention of the release for one. I think that part has given many tunnel vision. Personally, I am open to anything if have facts or logic to back it up. Some things I just don't see but respect all opinions.

Nor do I think the Suspect went into the Auditorium/Sanctuary/Worship Center. Those doors have locks on them and the mechanisms to lock all doors. No glass they are solid wood doors. We haven't heard of any damage to those doors but possible, but why have locks on them if they do not lock them? JMHO

 

[ZVEDZA]

I remember the first whole day or two was focused on the perp's gait. Now we've got a long list of experiences and conditions that we believe cause that walking pattern. If it wasn't partially or wholly faked. And now no one has mentioned any gait in a month or two.

Hindsight is 20/20. But I think we should have been gathering all MB'scommunications, interviewing and verifying any possibilities and delving deeperinto anyone involved going where the evidence led.

I get the sense the case required a lot of poring through monotonous docs. I wonder if they could somehow certify some Web Sleuths that would be willing to donate a night or weekend day to do some of the looking in the haystack for the needle (I don't do well when I'm just watching and not trying to fix it).

Like to hear from any LE out there that might have suggestions on what would have been a more fruitful approach.

And having an inch or two height range would have significantly sped up the elimination process.

Disclaimer: All of my posts and the post below are my opinion and are for entertainment purposes only.
My suggestion as LE is to please, please contact LE if and only if you have first hand knowledge (not researching information via the web) of a particular crime. LE does, becoming rarer and rarer, ask the public for assistance in helping to identify certain claims. Anytime we do ask the public for assistance, we get hundreds of call-ins that have nothing to do with the information being asked. Only a handful of the calls are legit, the rest of the calls are 'I know this doesn't apply to the information you specifically asked for, but have you thought about this or I found where the victim was friends with this ex-con on FB'. A large amount of our resources have to deal with these calls, if only to listen. Hundreds of 3-5 minute phone call leads to enormous amount of man-hours.
If you're pursuing this case on your own, which can be exciting, it would be best to make public records request from the corresponding authorities. Anything that isn't yet public will be part of a realistic, professional investigation by LE. Public records in a case with a long timeframe are an excellent source of factual information.

 

[Jethro4WS]

But then wouldn't they have a way to filter down to just the phones that were actively being used? I know next to nothing technically about the interaction between a cell phone and cell tower, but I would hope that there would be telltale signs embedded in the signal to differentiate a phone in use (and perhaps moving rather than stationary) from a phone that is simply "on". When you think about it, at 4:30 in the morning there would have been very few phones in the area that were actively being used.

Yes, they would be able to determine whether a phone was stationary or in motion. The way the phone system works in this country - I won't get into Signalling System 7 (SS7) - and the way cellular phone work in conjunction with that - won't get into GSM radio - requires that the phone companies can route a call to a specific phone at any time.

With a land line it is easy since the wire doesn't move unlike a cell phone. That is why the cell phone pings the tower so the phone company(s) can know where to send the call. There is also a need for the phone company to know not only that the phone is in motion but, approximately how fast, and the direction of travel so that it can hand the call off from one tower to the next without dropping the call.

So for every phone that was in range of those towers that pinged the tower they should have up to 120 pings for each. Some phones could have turned off or were turned on in the time period so there could be less pings for any given phone. Also, due to 911 requirements your phone will use GPS location when possible when pinging the tower so some of the data will be reasonably accurate. The GPS you and I and other regular people experience is intentionally inaccurate by up to 300 ft because the GPS signal we use is part of a classified encrypted military system and true accuracy is limited to only certain users of the system. When GPS is not possible, the phone company will triangulate the position and is even less accurate at times.

Like I said, I won't get deep into SS7 but when you see a warrant for call records, like in the phone warrants, the information returned would look nothing like you see in a bill or call history on our phones. There is quite a bit of information that is returned including where both ends of the call are - for cell phones in the "main SS7 call record" this would be the tower, there are other SS7 record types that have the location information and other information. The record contains if any of the phones were forwarded and all the records for all of the phone numbers involved would be in there. When you forward a phone, a code is either entered or your phone sends it for you to let the phone company know so that the phone company can route any calls to the phone you want. So, even with a forwarded phone number they know where all the phones are.

The telephony system in this country can be a deep subject but the important thing to know about it in relation to cell phones is that once the traffic from your phone hits the tower everything after that works no different than if land lines were being used. And another important thing is that there are only 3 companies that actually have the physical lines and routing capabilities to support this system - ATT, Verizon, and Sprint (though what they have and do is a bit different and much of their customer traffic still rides on ATT and Verizon). Everyone else out there (say T-Mobile) buys time on the lines at varying levels of quality of service.

ATT is a great resource for LE because they maintain a massive database that maintains call records and text records including content going back decades. The Tampa location in the warrants is also where the FBI is co-located for a system they use in conjunction with phone warrants for their purposes.

 

[GA_Peach]

I disagree with you on this one. The SW requested historical data on the Target Phone #s from March 1 to April 24. This was after they extracted info from MB'S and BB phones and MB'S I pad. There was a reason they wanted historical data dating back to March 1 from ALL the Target #s. Something piqued MPD'S interest.

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IMO you are exactly right. Also, KC didn't just pique MPD's interest; MC, his wife, also did. There is something that sets this couple apart from all of MB's other friends.

MB was extremely active on SM so I don't think that it is a huge leap to think that she was a frequent texter. In light of that, I can't imagine that a group text would trigger a SW that requires the "Target Number" to turn over all communication for nearly two months! Also, the group text would have been a pretty small group since there are only a handful of "Target Numbers."

The "Target Numbers" tell a story of what was happening in MB's life at the time of her death. We need to listen to it IMO.

 

[Cannonball3804]

Yes, they would be able to determine whether a phone was stationary or in motion. The way the phone system works in this country - I won't get into Signalling System 7 (SS7) - and the way cellular phone work in conjunction with that - won't get into GSM radio - requires that the phone companies can route a call to a specific phone at any time.

With a land line it is easy since the wire doesn't move unlike a cell phone. That is why the cell phone pings the tower so the phone company(s) can know where to send the call. There is also a need for the phone company to know not only that the phone is in motion but, approximately how fast, and the direction of travel so that it can hand the call off from one tower to the next without dropping the call.

So for every phone that was in range of those towers that pinged the tower they should have up to 120 pings for each. Some phones could have turned off or were turned on in the time period so there could be less pings for any given phone. Also, due to 911 requirements your phone will use GPS location when possible when pinging the tower so some of the data will be reasonably accurate. The GPS you and I and other regular people experience is intentionally inaccurate by up to 300 ft because the GPS signal we use is part of a classified encrypted military system and true accuracy is limited to only certain users of the system. When GPS is not possible, the phone company will triangulate the position and is even less accurate at times.

Like I said, I won't get deep into SS7 but when you see a warrant for call records, like in the phone warrants, the information returned would look nothing like you see in a bill or call history on our phones. There is quite a bit of information that is returned including where both ends of the call are - for cell phones in the "main SS7 call record" this would be the tower, there are other SS7 record types that have the location information and other information. The record contains if any of the phones were forwarded and all the records for all of the phone numbers involved would be in there. When you forward a phone, a code is either entered or your phone sends it for you to let the phone company know so that the phone company can route any calls to the phone you want. So, even with a forwarded phone number they know where all the phones are.

The telephony system in this country can be a deep subject but the important thing to know about it in relation to cell phones is that once the traffic from your phone hits the tower everything after that works no different than if land lines were being used. And another important thing is that there are only 3 companies that actually have the physical lines and routing capabilities to support this system - ATT, Verizon, and Sprint (though what they have and do is a bit different and much of their customer traffic still rides on ATT and Verizon). Everyone else out there (say T-Mobile) buys time on the lines at varying levels of quality of service.

ATT is a great resource for LE because they maintain a massive database that maintains call records and text records including content going back decades. The Tampa location in the warrants is also where the FBI is co-located for a system they use in conjunction with phone warrants for their purposes.

Fantastic stuff.

ETA: it really seems like, rather than a needle in a haystack, we are looking for one particular needle in a rather large box of similar needles. Difficult and time-intensive, yes. But not impossible as long as the needle has a specific marker.


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[Jethro4WS]

I read your posts where you work backward from your theory of where the perp entered, to how they could have avoided being on camera, to the idea that maybe LE doesn't really have additional video of the perp. If I have mischaracterized what you said, I apologize and please correct me.

But to me, it seems like you're really trying to make that square peg (SP entering somewhere other than the kitchen) fit in a round hole (all the evidence pointing to the kitchen being the actual entry point). And when your theory becomes problematic because of how unlikely it would be to avoid the cameras, you try to take the cameras out of the equation by saying they didn't pick up anything.

LE said on day 1 quite specifically that they DO have additional video of the suspect. In order for your theory to fit, they straight up lied to the public. I know they're not above lying for strategic value. But what is the strategic value in that particular lie?

I have said before I question anything they said on day one. They would not have been very deep in the investigation and hadn't even understood the movements of SP in the church or much of anything yet.

The way I have viewed the issue of whether or not there is additional video or not is that the entire premise of them releasing the video they have so far was that someone might recognize SP from their mannerisms - in particular the gait. That provided piles of leads, though leads in large numbers that weren't useful in any manner. That said, any additional video could have a better view of the facial area than we already have and perhaps it might not be the case where some people here and elsewhere have spent hundreds of hours just trying to get some facial detail to work with. For the other potential cameras in that church, based on where we have seen SP in the ones we have, SP would be moving towards those cameras and there would be much better views. Also, there could be other movements or tics visible in unreleased video that someone may recognize that MPD hasn't even noticed. So why not release it. It would cause no harm to the case whatsoever. It may generate a lead that can grow some legs. More importantly, if they do have other video with better views of SP or the tools or whatever, why waste the public's time with some "gait footage".

Something stinks with the premise that they have more video. I don't believe them. I actually think that MPD thinks they can bluff whoever SP is and cause them to take some actions that will give them away - after months that hasn't apparently happened. Except I believe that SP was very aware of the cameras and was actively avoiding them via very specific routes in the church. If I am right, SP knows what cameras they appeared on and didn't. You won't be able to bluff them.

It is the same with the car from the first press conference. I think they were mistaken and have only kept it in play as yet another bluff for much the same reasons as I just mentioned. But if SP is as I believe SP also knows whether they had a car there or not.

In the 4/22 Presser the Asst Chief actually mentioned "Investigative Checklist" I suspect they are quite literally following a triage chart and playing percentages down a list rather than investigating the crime for what it is and working from there. Essentially they seem to be working from the Outside In rather than the Inside Out. That is, they are trying to find someone to put in the church in tactical gear with a murder weapon where Missy was killed in the church i.e. pick someone and see if they can match enough evidence instead of working to fit the all the elements of the crime (evidence) to someone. It may sound like a six-of-one kind of thing but the approaches to doing so are quite different. In my world it is the difference between Top-Down analysis/design versus Bottom-Up analysis/design. There are significant trade-offs and challenges and differences between the two despite the goal of building the same thing or figuring out how something works or didn't work as the case may be.

I have been working this from the bottom up. That is why the movements are important to me and why all the elements of the crime are important to me. I am certainly not throwing darts. And I am certainly not trying to be a contrarian at every turn. I have no problem being wrong about something, I will acknowledge that and adjust. But, when it comes to the cameras I have already explained how I believe one can navigate around the cameras in the Northeast corner without tripping them. I have another one, very similar, that works on the mystery of just how they got into Room 12 and why we don't have video of a larger than life SP walking within no less than 5 feet and as close a 1 foot from a camera. That is coming soon. I have one for how SP got from the kitchen area to the main hall unseen on camera. Coming. I have one for where I believe Missy was killed. Also coming. And one for how I believe SP exited the church unseen.

Of course, if MPD does have additional video and they release it, that could spare all of those pixels and my time and others time.

I expect others will disagree. Scroll and roll is the word around here.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I wonder in between the classrooms are there folding doors so that they can make 2 rooms one or if there is another door in between two rooms. Yes I know it won't solve who SP is but it might be a way he could get around without being seen on camera. Kitchen might have a small office inside with a door leading into the hall.

Also - I wonder if LE took pics or video of everyone around the scene or looked at video footage of anyone hanging around after
LE was on site. Maybe from SWFA cameras, Whataburger or Mo & Harry's.

Would like to to know if they saw anyone wearing thin leggings or pantyhose.

Also did anyone show up to ATs class a little early or a little late that day? From what I understand it was right down the street.

Doors connecting rooms internally are noted on the map I have. Suspected ones are in green. There are possibly two more that I hadn't added but one of those is likely in the Library (S2) on my map that connects to the office area.

It is very possible that Room 12 might have some kind of internal divider that can make it two rooms or one - that is E1 on my map. The door we see down the hall when SP comes out of the door to Room 12 at the end of the MPD video is very likely the "other room" that shares the E1 space (and I believe it has its own number. Still working on this part though.

 

[interestedincases]

Just adding to your great summary. The times requested in the SW on the TARGET PHONE #S is from March 1 to April 24, 2016.

That is quite a bit of time. All of them must have been burning up the cell phone wires during that period. No doubt something was brewing.

I think we've quasi discussed the Cozines. Were they good friends,
tax preparers, or what? What is their connection to MB and BB?
There was enough there for LE to request their #s.

Does anyone know?!

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I've always wondering about them myself. I think I remember from the first threads some thought they were the first campers and found MB but........I haven't always been so sure. I know it was said (WS'er, not MSM) that the daughters were really good friends too. Again, I still wonder. They had their FB's locked up tight so there really wasn't anything to sleuth on them so I think everyone just kind of dropped them off the list. But I always wondered if there was a love triangle in that mix or not??? Not that I think they are involved, just hard to completely rule out or in without having anything to sleuth on.

(I tried to sleuth early on but haven't looked at FB pages since. I saw another posted say one page was open to public so I'm editing to clarify my statement above in case they are open )

 

[cady]

JMO Investigators know the wheres and hows, I want to know the whos and whys. JMO

 

[Cannonball3804]

I have said before I question anything they said on day one. They would not have been very deep in the investigation and hadn't even understood the movements of SP in the church or much of anything yet.

The way I have viewed the issue of whether or not there is additional video or not is that the entire premise of them releasing the video they have so far was that someone might recognize SP from their mannerisms - in particular the gait. That provided piles of leads, though leads in large numbers that weren't useful in any manner. That said, any additional video could have a better view of the facial area than we already have and perhaps it might not be the case where some people here and elsewhere have spent hundreds of hours just trying to get some facial detail to work with. For the other potential cameras in that church, based on where we have seen SP in the ones we have, SP would be moving towards those cameras and there would be much better views. Also, there could be other movements or tics visible in unreleased video that someone may recognize that MPD hasn't even noticed. So why not release it. It would cause no harm to the case whatsoever. It may generate a lead that can grow some legs. More importantly, if they do have other video with better views of SP or the tools or whatever, why waste the public's time with some "gait footage".

Something stinks with the premise that they have more video. I don't believe them. I actually think that MPD can bluff whoever SP is and cause them to take some actions that will give them away - after months that hasn't apparently happened. Except I believe that SP was very aware of the cameras and was actively avoiding them via very specific routes in the church. If I am right, SP knows what cameras they appeared on and didn't. You won't be able to bluff them.

It is the same with the car from the first press conference. I think they were mistaken and have only kept it in play as yet another bluff for much the same reasons as I just mentioned. But if SP is as I believe SP also knows whether they had a car there or not.

In the 4/22 Presser the Asst Chief actually mentioned "Investigative Checklist" I suspect they are quite literally following a triage chart and playing percentages down a list rather than investigating the crime for what it is and working from there. Essentially they seem to be working from the Outside In rather than the Inside Out. That is, they are trying to find someone to put in the church in tactical gear with a murder weapon where Missy was killed in the church i.e. pick someone and see if they can match enough evidence instead of working to fit the all the elements of the crime (evidence) to someone. It may sound like a six-of-one kind of thing but the approaches to doing so are quite different. In my world it is the difference between Top-Down analysis/design versus Bottom-Up analysis/design. There are significant trade-offs and challenges and differences between the two despite the goal of building the same thing or figuring out how something works or didn't work as the case may be.

I have been working this from the bottom up. That is why the movements are important to me and why all the elements of the crime are important to me. I am certainly not throwing darts. And I am certainly not trying to be a contrarian at every turn. I have no problem being wrong about something, I will acknowledge that and adjust. But, when it comes to the cameras I have already explained how I believe one can navigate around the cameras in the Northeast corner without tripping them. I have another one, very similar, that works on the mystery of just how they got into Room 12 and why we don't have video of a larger than life SP walking within no less than 5 feet and as close a 1 foot from a camera. That is coming soon. I have one for how SP got from the kitchen area to the main hall unseen on camera. Coming. I have one for where I believe Missy was killed. Also coming. And one for how I believe SP exited the church unseen.

Of course, if MPD does have additional video and they release it, that could spare all of those pixels and my time and others time.

I expect others will disagree. Scroll and roll is the word around here.

I don't just scroll and roll with your stuff because you put much thought and analysis into it and it's worthy of consideration even if I don't 100% agree.

We speak the same language... I was a business analyst for software companies for years. If you ever happen to be in the TX Panhandle for any reason, we should get together over food and drink. Activate our wonder twin powers in one evening and solve this thing.


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[Jethro4WS]

Fantastic stuff.

ETA: it really seems like, rather than a needle in a haystack, we are looking for one particular needle in a rather large box of similar needles. Difficult and time-intensive, yes. But not impossible as long as the needle has a specific marker.


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Indeed, not impossible. Hope they find one, as it makes things a bit easier for them. If there isn't this will have been a big time sink but given how connected people are to their phones it is a better bet than others.

 

[Camerabug]

Like a needle in a haystack. Heck, the tower dumps alone would be how many phones to begin with? They asked for dumps from all the towers within 5 miles from the church and since each tower generally has the best service within 6 miles of it. That would be all of the phones that are powered on (they don't have to have made a call only ping which they do about once a minute) within a 22 mile wide circle (maximum) with the church in the middle of that circle. Given the population of northern Ellis county that could be as much as 50,000 to 100,000 phones in that circle.

With all due respect, I think it would be somewhat limited due to the fact that the records requested were in a very narrow range of 3am to 5 am on 4/18/2016 only. That is a very small sample for a forensic specialist from NYC to analyze. He uses a computer program to look for specific data and spit out the rest in order of likely relevance. (Or something like that) add to that the fact that a stingray can be mounted on a drone, and you have an easy way to get the job done. In NYC there would be thousands of hits..in Midlothian..not so much..jmo, of course..

 

[Camerabug]

question: could one obliterate traces of human blood with dog blood? Wash a garment several times and then introduce dog blood to muddy the waters and get inconclusive tests from certain spot tests while getting positive for dog blood in others. Overall scoring as dog blood?

If you're known to have been 1500 or more miles away when the human blood was spilled, then you don't have relevant human blood on your garments regardless. So this is pretty much moot. Just saying.

The reason i ask is in the video, you can see a white shirt has come out from under SP's vest and protective gear. It could have gotten blood on it during the murder-maybe not lots, but enough to score. Since everyone is a POI and I'm not discounting anyone yet, I ask the general question because I don't know the answer.

 

[Jethro4WS]

With all due respect, I think it would be somewhat limited due to the fact that the records requested were in a very narrow range of 3am to 5 am on 4/18/2016 only. That is a very small sample for a forensic specialist from NYC to analyze. He uses a computer program to look for specific data and spit out the rest in order of likely relevance. (Or something like that) add to that the fact that a stingray can be mounted on a drone, and you have an easy way to get the job done. In NYC there would be thousands of hits..in Midlothian..not so much..jmo, of course..

Oh, I was only referring to the information collected about all the phones that would be identified from the tower warrants. Before they would try anything with a StingRay they would have pared some of that information down to have it positioned in specific locations in order to capture information about that smaller set of phones. I wouldn't expect them to try to go around to cover the entire area.

 

[Camerabug]

Why do you think they haven't been released yet?

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I don't think we will see them until trial. Jmo, but I think They are tightening the noose on SP

 

[mcluver23]

Yes, they would be able to determine whether a phone was stationary or in motion. The way the phone system works in this country - I won't get into Signalling System 7 (SS7) - and the way cellular phone work in conjunction with that - won't get into GSM radio - requires that the phone companies can route a call to a specific phone at any time.

With a land line it is easy since the wire doesn't move unlike a cell phone. That is why the cell phone pings the tower so the phone company(s) can know where to send the call. There is also a need for the phone company to know not only that the phone is in motion but, approximately how fast, and the direction of travel so that it can hand the call off from one tower to the next without dropping the call.

So for every phone that was in range of those towers that pinged the tower they should have up to 120 pings for each. Some phones could have turned off or were turned on in the time period so there could be less pings for any given phone. Also, due to 911 requirements your phone will use GPS location when possible when pinging the tower so some of the data will be reasonably accurate. The GPS you and I and other regular people experience is intentionally inaccurate by up to 300 ft because the GPS signal we use is part of a classified encrypted military system and true accuracy is limited to only certain users of the system. When GPS is not possible, the phone company will triangulate the position and is even less accurate at times.

Like I said, I won't get deep into SS7 but when you see a warrant for call records, like in the phone warrants, the information returned would look nothing like you see in a bill or call history on our phones. There is quite a bit of information that is returned including where both ends of the call are - for cell phones in the "main SS7 call record" this would be the tower, there are other SS7 record types that have the location information and other information. The record contains if any of the phones were forwarded and all the records for all of the phone numbers involved would be in there. When you forward a phone, a code is either entered or your phone sends it for you to let the phone company know so that the phone company can route any calls to the phone you want. So, even with a forwarded phone number they know where all the phones are.

The telephony system in this country can be a deep subject but the important thing to know about it in relation to cell phones is that once the traffic from your phone hits the tower everything after that works no different than if land lines were being used. And another important thing is that there are only 3 companies that actually have the physical lines and routing capabilities to support this system - ATT, Verizon, and Sprint (though what they have and do is a bit different and much of their customer traffic still rides on ATT and Verizon). Everyone else out there (say T-Mobile) buys time on the lines at varying levels of quality of service.

ATT is a great resource for LE because they maintain a massive database that maintains call records and text records including content going back decades. The Tampa location in the warrants is also where the FBI is co-located for a system they use in conjunction with phone warrants for their purposes.

Totally off topic, but I have a question. I was traveling on the interstate yesterday. Passed a truck that had SPS or something similar on it. After I passed it, my XM radio went off twice and both times the screen flashed "radio ID being identified. Noticed that truck on my tail. Then he backed off. Never did it again and it never happened again. Not sure if it was a coincidence, but I'm just curious after reading all the posts on here. Thanks, and my apologies for my personal question.

 

[Camerabug]

Final thought from me for the night, as it's past my bedtime...

Sometimes, LE develops a theory of what they THINK they see in a case, developing their own narrative, but turn out to be completely off-base. Sometimes, it takes a more competent federal agency to step in and say, "No, THIS is what REALLY happened."

For a case in point, try reading the very interesting and still-unfolding Denise Huskins case. Young lady is forcibly abducted, and boyfriend is the only witness to it. She shows back up days later, probably a victim of sexual assault but uninjured otherwise. Police proclaim in a very public manner that they believe it was all a hoax and that they wasted countless man-hours. A few months later, the FBI says, "Uh, wait a minute... it WAS a kidnapping, and here's the guy who did it." The girl and boyfriend have now filed suit against the city, while the kidnapper sits in jail awaiting trial.

I don't think the MPD has ever had a good handle on what the MB case is about. Here's hoping that the feds do.

In the first presser, MPD spokesman admitted that investigators didn't understand SP's movement inside the church. I thought that was because it was so early on, but now I think we know it was the sad truth. I do think there is a far greater chance that the FBI has seen something similar or at least has a better sense of where to look to find POI and then suspects. To support that I suggest https://youtu.be/fD7M2Wn7A9c Steve Moore is a retired FBI agent.https://youtu.be/0zoXOQHeBxA

 

[Camerabug]

I have said before I question anything they said on day one. They would not have been very deep in the investigation and hadn't even understood the movements of SP in the church or much of anything yet.

The way I have viewed the issue of whether or not there is additional video or not is that the entire premise of them releasing the video they have so far was that someone might recognize SP from their mannerisms - in particular the gait. That provided piles of leads, though leads in large numbers that weren't useful in any manner. That said, any additional video could have a better view of the facial area than we already have and perhaps it might not be the case where some people here and elsewhere have spent hundreds of hours just trying to get some facial detail to work with. For the other potential cameras in that church, based on where we have seen SP in the ones we have, SP would be moving towards those cameras and there would be much better views. Also, there could be other movements or tics visible in unreleased video that someone may recognize that MPD hasn't even noticed. So why not release it. It would cause no harm to the case whatsoever. It may generate a lead that can grow some legs. More importantly, if they do have other video with better views of SP or the tools or whatever, why waste the public's time with some "gait footage".

Something stinks with the premise that they have more video. I don't believe them. I actually think that MPD thinks they can bluff whoever SP is and cause them to take some actions that will give them away - after months that hasn't apparently happened. Except I believe that SP was very aware of the cameras and was actively avoiding them via very specific routes in the church. If I am right, SP knows what cameras they appeared on and didn't. You won't be able to bluff them.

It is the same with the car from the first press conference. I think they were mistaken and have only kept it in play as yet another bluff for much the same reasons as I just mentioned. But if SP is as I believe SP also knows whether they had a car there or not.

In the 4/22 Presser the Asst Chief actually mentioned "Investigative Checklist" I suspect they are quite literally following a triage chart and playing percentages down a list rather than investigating the crime for what it is and working from there. Essentially they seem to be working from the Outside In rather than the Inside Out. That is, they are trying to find someone to put in the church in tactical gear with a murder weapon where Missy was killed in the church i.e. pick someone and see if they can match enough evidence instead of working to fit the all the elements of the crime (evidence) to someone. It may sound like a six-of-one kind of thing but the approaches to doing so are quite different. In my world it is the difference between Top-Down analysis/design versus Bottom-Up analysis/design. There are significant trade-offs and challenges and differences between the two despite the goal of building the same thing or figuring out how something works or didn't work as the case may be.

I have been working this from the bottom up. That is why the movements are important to me and why all the elements of the crime are important to me. I am certainly not throwing darts. And I am certainly not trying to be a contrarian at every turn. I have no problem being wrong about something, I will acknowledge that and adjust. But, when it comes to the cameras I have already explained how I believe one can navigate around the cameras in the Northeast corner without tripping them. I have another one, very similar, that works on the mystery of just how they got into Room 12 and why we don't have video of a larger than life SP walking within no less than 5 feet and as close a 1 foot from a camera. That is coming soon. I have one for how SP got from the kitchen area to the main hall unseen on camera. Coming. I have one for where I believe Missy was killed. Also coming. And one for how I believe SP exited the church unseen.

Of course, if MPD does have additional video and they release it, that could spare all of those pixels and my time and others time.

I expect others will disagree. Scroll and roll is the word around here.

I agree with this except I do think they have more video. I don't think it shows anything of any value, however-just more of the same; the exception being Missy entering the building and we will see that at trial.

 

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:thinking: Makes you wonder how many people phones have been downloaded from the stingray, that have visited /drove by the church to get a look. LEO looking for a murderer, so they looking at any and everyone. Something to think about.

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Experts with the NYPD were brought in to help analyze the “pings” from cell towers, in hopes of finding the “electronic footprint” of Missy Bevers’ killer in the early hours of April 18. he cell site simulators mimic cell towers.

“[A phone] will automatically connect to the Stingray without any control from the user. It mines data off the phone, very quickly,” said Pete Schulte, former police officer and criminal defense attorney.

Schulte says if investigators do in fact use the cell site simulators, he believes they’d focus of the church where the mystery person in tactical gear attacked Missy, and the Bevers’ neighborhood.

“If someone keeps coming back to the crime scene, which happens a lot in murder cases, they are going to be able to identify the person because of the data coming from the Stingray,” said Schulte.

The Stingray device, according to a New York Post article earlier this year, gathers telephone numbers from neighborhoods by mimicking a cell tower, allowing it to identify unique subscriber numbers. It’s not known if this the exact technology being used in Midlothian. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/05/06/...xperts-to-assist-bevers-murder-investigation/

I say again, for a forensics expert from NYC this isn't hard..with the population density (s)he's used to dealing with...the trick is going to be making him/her let go of the info. In NYC they like to keep things for a long time...they get into trouble for that stuff too...

 

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In the first presser, MPD spokesman admitted that investigators didn't understand SP's movement inside the church. I thought that was because it was so early on, but now I think we know it was the sad truth. I do think there is a far greater chance that the FBI has seen something similar or at least has a better sense of where to look to find POI and then suspects. To support that I suggest https://youtu.be/fD7M2Wn7A9c Steve Moore is a retired FBI agent.https://youtu.be/0zoXOQHeBxA

Yes, interesting. I d seen it before long ago, but what stood out this time was that a burglar would not bring a hammer. Crow bar, yes. Hammer, no. Not his exact words...but his meaning.