TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[ardenmost]

To my knowledge, the allegation of a cleanup was reported by one media outlet and had not been confirmed. If there was some cleanup, we don't know what was meant by that term. My guess would be that the killer removed some or all of his police garb before departing the building to avoid transferring blood and other trace evidence to his vehicle. In other words, he cleaned up himself not the crime scene.

This may explain how police knew he left the way he entered through the kitchen door. There may have been blood transfer stains in the kitchen where he changed.

Absolutely possible/plausible! <mod snip>

 

[CHUCKJ]

I'm still not in the multiple perp camp. JMO, but thus far, I have not seen nor heard anything definitive that says multiple suspects. It may turn out that it was organized by multiple parties, but again to this point, nothing in my estimation that points in that direction. As for how smart or not the perp is, who knows. What I do know is that rather the per knew it or not, the disguise was brilliant, as it rendered the per completely unidentifiable, short of finding the gear and then being able to tie it to the perp with something substantial. DNA, reciepts, etc. I believe the per came and left in a car. As I do not know anything about the family dynamic, and PD doesn't seem to be indicating that anyone on ST is being looked at, other than to say no one is being ruled out, I'm not focusing on BB, FIL, or otherwise, as being involved.
although, it has been speculated that there could have been infidelity on both sides of the marriage, it has only been established that the victim was engaging in extramarital activity. (CONSIDERED THAT WE DONT KNOW HOW FAR THIS WENT) JMO, but this whole thing points more towards stalker, scorned lover, angry wife or girlfriend, than anything else. I'm not sure what the PD gear says to me yet??? I do feel as though, B&E gone wrong would fit better if per had simply put on a ski mask and gloves. I'm solid on the per staging the scene. Leaving the double doors open. The half hearted attempt at opening the door with the tools. All the broken glass. I'm not so sure this per knew if the cameras were working g or not. The one time I the video they stare directly at the camera looks like they are wondering. I'm 99% on MB knowing the perp, because of the manner she was killed. If I were PD, I would have started in Austin, questioning everyone I could find that came in eye shot of MB. JMHO, but I think someone there could have seen her killer. Not that they would know that it was, but that the killer may have been in contact with MB there, or may have been there but was not in direct contact. I could be completely off base, but from the beginning I have had a hunch that something someone saw or heard in Austin was going to be the key.

 

[CHUCKJ]

Chuck, please use Reply With Quote instead of just replying to the thread. Otherwise we have no idea what you are responding to. Thanks!


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It happened with The Green River Killer they were pretty positive it was Gary Ridgeway but they didn't have concrete evidence connecting them to the crimes. It took time and many died in the process.

That different. Not having cause, and just letting them run around when they could arrest otherwise was the way I understood you comment. Letting the murder lead them to accomplices?

 

[No it's not]

Agree. Johnson mentioned that killer may have made attempt to clean up. Not going back to look up link, but if you go back to the initial thread, it's in there and numerous other times thereafter.

The link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3576043/Warrants-related-murder-trainer-reveal-marital-discord-financial-struggles-strange-messages-got-killed-dumped-church.html

ETA:
Scout already posted a dailymail link from May 25th. This one is from May 5th.

 

[CHUCKJ]

Chuck, please use Reply With Quote instead of just replying to the thread. Otherwise we have no idea what you are responding to. Thanks!


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It happened with The Green River Killer they were pretty positive it was Gary Ridgeway but they didn't have concrete evidence connecting them to the crimes. It took time and many died in the process.

Sorry, on my tablet, bad eyes!!! Thanks, don't know how to use emojys or what ever they are called( sure I spelled that wrong) even though you can't see it, there's a smile out there for you.

 

[GeeEm]

Authorities have said they found evidence of forced entry at the church and Bevers may have walked in on a robbery while preparing for her Camp Gladiator fitness class.

They also claimed someone tried to clean up the crime scene.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shares-theory-killed-wife-thinks-s-woman.html

So you are saying the SwatPerp cleaned "himself up" or someone tried to "clean up the crime scene"??????

jmo &#128046;

 

[SteveS]

Agree. Johnson mentioned that killer may have made attempt to clean up. Not going back to look up link, but if you go back to the initial thread, it's in there and numerous other times thereafter.

The link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...trange-messages-got-killed-dumped-church.html
ETA:
Scout already posted a dailymail link from May 25th. This one is from May 5th.

With all due respect, to both of you and others, this is a completely non-supported article.

And to keep the record straight, I went back and did some searching so we would all know going forward, and it is almost certainly bogus info.

1 There was no mention whatsoever of a clean up by perp in any LE presser, ever.
2 Nor in any local media story. I looked.
3 It's first (and ONLY!) appearance was in an article by Daily Mail in England (!) who ran a summary story of the case on May 5 (2 1/2 weeks after the crime) and claimed that LE had said that. But let's notice where they are, a 2nd or 3rd hand source, certainly with no reporter here on the Midlothian crime beat, so they're getting info from where we do.
4 And up to that point, we had never heard that before, from any source. Nor had it ever been said in any WS post up to that point. I looked at the more than 10,000 WS posts on MB that preceded that article, and not a single mention by any WSer of LE or any other media claiming that.

Then, out of the blue, some person in England puts it out there as a fact of the case story? Um no. They messed up. It happens.

ETA - Revised wording a bit to make the info clearer and more collegial, hopefully.

 

[No it's not]

With all due respect, to you and others, this is a completely non-supported article. And to keep the record straight, I did some searching, and it is almost certainly bogus.

There was no mention whatsoever of a clean up by perp in any LE presser, ever. Nor in any local media story. I looked.

It's first (and ONLY!) appearance was in an article by Daily Mail in England (!) who ran a summary story of the case on May 5 (2 1/2 weeks after the crime) and claimed that LE had said that. But let's notice where they are, a 2nd or 3rd hand source, certainly with no reporter here on the Midlothian crime beat, so they're getting info from where we do.

And up to that point, we had never heard that before, from any source. Nor had it ever been said in any WS post up to that point. I looked at the more than 10,000 WS posts on MB that preceded that article, and not a single mention by any WSer of LE or any other media claiming that.

Then, out of the blue, some person in England puts it out there as a fact of the case story? Um no. They messed up. It happens.

With all due respect, I simply posted a link of an article quoting a "cleanup at the crime-scene" as a reply to another poster asking for that link. I did not validate the source nor the content.

-Nin

 

[knowthings]

So we don't know if there was a clean up.

 

[ardenmost]

Yeah, additional video from BEFORE the murder, not after.


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How do you know this?

 

[SteveS]

I simply posted a link of an article quoting a "cleanup at the crime-scene" as a reply to another poster asking for that link. I did not validate the source nor the content.

Thank you for the link. I didn't assume you had validated anything, which was why I addressed my response to you "and others" who had cited Daily Mail's words. And fwiw the "cleaning" mistake that was included in the first, was dutifully duplicated in the latter version, and will undoubtedly keep being included each time they have some snippet to freshen the story.

I went back and edited my prior post, to try to make it a bit clearer. Trying to help not argue.

 

[Cannonball3804]

How do you know this?

Early press conferences.


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[ardenmost]

Missy's purse, phone, and firearm were left in her truck. ??????

 

[GeeEm]

So we don't know if there was a clean up.

Nope, LE has not given a presser stating there was indeed a clean up.

jmo &#128046;

 

[GeeEm]

Early press conferences.


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Linky please???? I'm a link person lol

And if this is true would that account for possible firearms being at the location?

jmo &#128046;

 

[GeeEm]

With all due respect, to both of you and others, this is a completely non-supported article.

And to keep the record straight, I went back and did some searching so we would all know going forward, and it is almost certainly bogus info.

1 There was no mention whatsoever of a clean up by perp in any LE presser, ever.
2 Nor in any local media story. I looked.
3 It's first (and ONLY!) appearance was in an article by Daily Mail in England (!) who ran a summary story of the case on May 5 (2 1/2 weeks after the crime) and claimed that LE had said that. But let's notice where they are, a 2nd or 3rd hand source, certainly with no reporter here on the Midlothian crime beat, so they're getting info from where we do.
4 And up to that point, we had never heard that before, from any source. Nor had it ever been said in any WS post up to that point. I looked at the more than 10,000 WS posts on MB that preceded that article, and not a single mention by any WSer of LE or any other media claiming that.

Then, out of the blue, some person in England puts it out there as a fact of the case story? Um no. They messed up. It happens.

ETA - Revised wording a bit to make the info clearer and more collegial, hopefully.

RBBM

Agreed

LE has not given a press release/conference about a clean up

I've read that particular news article knowingly that Daily Mail was in error

Thanks

jmo &#128046;

 

[Scout]

This is trickier than meets the eye. I'm assuming there's not large masses of blood (or they stepped into the BR and took the excess off) Luminal is very sensitive. But LEO's don't have the car yet as far as we know (it could have faulty plates, chopped up, who knows.) Taking clothing off though seems to me to be a greater risk. Epithelials, etc.

Luminol wouldn't be used in this case, but that's neither here nor there. Taking off an outer layer of clothing would pose little risk of leaving epithelial cells. And even if he did leave behind a few skin cells in the kitchen, they'd be lost in a sea of skin cells from all the other folks who've been there.

 

[Razz]

Regardless of your theory, PD does not allow known killers to roam the streets, if I fact they know who it it. For purposes of catching accomplices or otherwise. This is just not how it works. Can you imagine the liability if PD knew and had cause to arrest a killer, but didn't, and they killed again. I have it on good authority, that it's just not the case. Maybe I the movies.

Oh CHUCKJ, I beg to differ. I realize I am sounding like a broken record but please go to the DAN MARKEL case here at WS. It may not happen often, but it does happen.

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[WannaBDetective]

Missy's purse, phone, and firearm were left in her truck. ??????

From my worn out brain, I remember a phone, I-Pad and firearm. Could have been a purse. But I'm a guy so I wouldn't have paid as much attention to it as the others.

 

[Scout]

So you are saying the SwatPerp cleaned "himself up" or someone tried to "clean up the crime scene"??????

jmo &#128046;

The italicized text from my post that you quoted was an excerpt from the Daily Mail article that I linked.

What I'm saying is that IF some LE source told a reporter that there was evidence of cleanup at the scene, the reporter misinterpreted that to mean the killer attempted to clean up the crime scene. What was really meant was that the killer cleaned up himself at the scene.