TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[liz b.]

BBM

LE presser stated there "is additional footage" that has not been released

jmo ��

LE did say they had more video. Only 2 1/2 minutes were shown to the public. LE also said that SP acts "mostly" the same in the unseen video. FWIW...

 

[Jethro4WS]

BBM

LE presser stated there "is additional footage" that has not been released

jmo 

Never stated that in any presser. The only time that "additional video" was used in any context whatsoever in a press conference was the 4-22 press conference. The context was that they had already released two snippets previously and the video they were releasing that day - in conjunction with that press conference. From Galadriel's excellent transcript:

Female Reporter: When you released that new video, what –– if it's new,
what do you want the community looking at in that new video?

Assistant Chief Kevin Johnson: It's just additional footage of the suspect
moving around within the church. We're just hoping that somebody will see
something that piques their interest and spurs their memory so that they
may make a connection to somebody that they know and they can provide
us that tip.

And further on in the transcript ...

Female Reporter: Because it looks like the person was in there about a
half an hour. Do you know what they were doing during that time?

Assistant Chief Kevin Johnson: We do, and the videos that we've
released and the additional video reflect most of the behavior that we know
about that took place inside the church.

These are the only times you will find mentioned and in both instances Kevin Johnson is talking about the video they were releasing at the time of that press conference.

The only thing we have from MPD concerning additional footage was a question posed on their facebook page on 6/30 or 7/1 and answered twice, the second answer contradicting the first, and has since been removed from their page:

 

[rodee34]

Never stated that in any presser. The only time that "additional video" was used in any context whatsoever in a press conference was the 4-22 press conference. The context was that they had already released two snippets previously and the video they were releasing that day - in conjunction with that press conference. From Galadriel's excellent transcript:

Female Reporter: When you released that new video, what –– if it's new,
what do you want the community looking at in that new video?

Assistant Chief Kevin Johnson: It's just additional footage of the suspect
moving around within the church. We're just hoping that somebody will see
something that piques their interest and spurs their memory so that they
may make a connection to somebody that they know and they can provide
us that tip.

And further on in the transcript ...

Female Reporter: Because it looks like the person was in there about a
half an hour. Do you know what they were doing during that time?

Assistant Chief Kevin Johnson: We do, and the videos that we've
released and the additional video reflect most of the behavior that we know
about that took place inside the church.

These are the only times you will find mentioned and in both instances Kevin Johnson is talking about the video they were releasing at the time of that press conference.

The only thing we have from MPD concerning additional footage was a question posed on their facebook page on 6/30 or 7/1 and answered twice, the second answer contradicting the first, and has since been removed from their page:

LE just contridicted themselved with those answers. Sheesh.

 

[Jethro4WS]

LE just contridicted themselved with those answers. Sheesh.

It was only days after this that the "frustrated family" stories started rolling out. I believe MT actually used the adjective "clueless" in one of the articles.

 

[Camerabug]

LE just contridicted themselved with those answers. Sheesh.

I've got to say this is a matter of interpretation imho. I'm sorry to disagree Jethro4WS. I do see your point, but I think they are trying to deflect here. They are basically saying " No more video for you, folks. See you in the court room" If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say they got a lesson in talking too much from the Big Kids. MPD got schooled. Jmo, of course.

 

[Cannonball3804]

I've got to say this is a matter of interpretation imho. I'm sorry to disagree Jethro4WS. I do see your point, but I think they are trying to deflect here. They are basically saying " No more video for you, folks. See you in the court room" If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say they got a lesson in talking too much from the Big Kids. MPD got schooled. Jmo, of course.

I think what Jethro has said here is pretty darn compelling. And I was firmly in the "they said they have additional video that they have not released" camp - until I listened to the 4/22 presser with a fresh set of ears.

I think he's right. And when you think about it, the make and model of cameras being used at the church is probably identical, whether it's an outside camera or an interior camera. Same type of camera. So if there were going to be issues with motion detection / field of view settings, why would those issues ONLY affect the outside cameras? So I've come around to Jethro's way of thinking that what has been released is probably all they have, with the exception of video of MB entering the building that we know they withheld out of respect for the family.

 

[Razz]

I think what Jethro has said here is pretty darn compelling. And I was firmly in the "they said they have additional video that they have not released" camp - until I listened to the 4/22 presser with a fresh set of ears.

I think he's right. And when you think about it, the make and model of cameras being used at the church is probably identical, whether it's an outside camera or an interior camera. Same type of camera. So if there were going to be issues with motion detection / field of view settings, why would those issues ONLY affect the outside cameras? So I've come around to Jethro's way of thinking that what has been released is probably all they have, with the exception of video of MB entering the building that we know they withheld out of respect for the family.

what about the video where MPD knew MB was headed where SP was?

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[Deleted member 39678]

I think what Jethro has said here is pretty darn compelling. And I was firmly in the "they said they have additional video that they have not released" camp - until I listened to the 4/22 presser with a fresh set of ears.

I think he's right. And when you think about it, the make and model of cameras being used at the church is probably identical, whether it's an outside camera or an interior camera. Same type of camera. So if there were going to be issues with motion detection / field of view settings, why would those issues ONLY affect the outside cameras? So I've come around to Jethro's way of thinking that what has been released is probably all they have, with the exception of video of MB entering the building that we know they withheld out of respect for the family.

I'm not sure that the outside and inside cameras are identical. Maybe the outside ones were installed first and the interior ones were added later.

If LE only has the 2 and a half minutes of video that was released, how did they come up with the about of time the SP was at the church? Wasn't it around thirty minutes? Did they make it up or guess? JMO

 

[GeeEm]

LE did say they had more video. Only 2 1/2 minutes were shown to the public. LE also said that SP acts "mostly" the same in the unseen video. FWIW...

Do you honestly think LE is going to report the exact footage of what the SwatPerp was doing in "the unseen video"???

If so, and it's "mostly" the same as the 2 1/2 minutes, why would they NOT release the rest?

LE can say things in the form the way they want the media to portray theories.

The less said the better, I know FOR A FACT that is true while investigations are going on

 

[Scout]

what about the video where MPD knew MB was headed where SP was?

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And didn't BB state that he'd seen more than what's been released and that he saw the suspect holstering the hammer in a manner that led him to think suspect might be male?

 

[No it's not]

They must have gotten a better image of the SP just being able to determine he/she is of light skin. The video we have seen will not provide that information IMO. My understanding is, there is more tape, but not more information regarding a possible ID of the suspect. The remaining video only shows a continuation of the previously seen activity, i.e. wandering around the church and possibly breaking glass or prying open doors, and also MB entering the building.

All MO
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-Nin

 

[SteveS]

• I think they have a lot more video.
• Unless something in the video we have seen is at 3:50, that's when "video we've never seen" starts.
• BB said/implied he has seen video footage not released, and I believe he was shown more in hopes he could help identify the killer as someone he knows who knew MB
• I think at some point LE decided to downplay how much or which added video they have, and wisely so.
• Even if they have a lot, or none, their best route has always been to leave it mysterious and downplay what they have. IOW from here I expect we hear no comment, or talk of no video, whether they have much more or no more.

• JMO

 

[Jethro4WS]

I'm not sure that the outside and inside cameras are identical. Maybe the outside ones were installed first and the interior ones were added later.

If LE only has the 2 and a half minutes of video that was released, how did they come up with the about of time the SP was at the church? Wasn't it around thirty minutes? Did they make it up or guess? JMO

These cameras operate on motion detection. So when they say they see SP on video first at approximately 3:50am (they know the exact time to the second) and they know when Missy was seen on camera (again to the second) that leaves the total amount of time to be roughly 25 to 30 minutes. But there would only be that much video if SP was in range of a camera so that it detected the motion and recorded.

But SP was off camera for several minutes from the time they were in the North hall at the opening of the 2:27 second video (they were on camera there for about 10 seconds). The next time they are seen in the video is at least 7 minutes later (we know this because MPD released a snippet of time stamped video). After moving from the main hall to the South hall, after they open and enter the room with the dutch double doors they again lose motion. For some unknown period of time SP is not seen. We see them next coming back down that hall only to enter the alcove by a set of entry doors to the sanctuary. They are again off camera for some period of time until we see them again coming out of Room 12 (we don't see them enter Room 12). And that is where the video ends. If we knew the time stamps for those periods we would have a better idea of how much time they were off camera. Or, potentially how much more video they could have. If SP had stayed in one place out of view, or actually just stood still even right in front of a camera eventually the camera would detect no motion and stop recording.

 

[No it's not]

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Margie Mow (ph) joining us out of LA, Randy Kessler. He also, Randy, is telling the person, the killer, to turn

themselves in. He also has revealed that he has seen other secret police video that has not been released to the public, and based on everything he

has learned from the investigation, he believes the killer is a woman.

RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, maybe he has a specific woman in mind that that person walks, the person that he`s seeing, or maybe

he just sees this person walking. If he`s seen other videos, there are other videos that might reveal more of a woman tendency, more feminine

qualities than the ones we`ve seen.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1605/26/ng.01.html

 

[Scout]

I think at some point they're going to have to release more info because their investigation has stalled.

 

[GeeEm]

Never stated that in any presser. The only time that "additional video" was used in any context whatsoever in a press conference was the 4-22 press conference. The context was that they had already released two snippets previously and the video they were releasing that day - in conjunction with that press conference. From Galadriel's excellent transcript:

Female Reporter: When you released that new video, what –– if it's new,
what do you want the community looking at in that new video?

Assistant Chief Kevin Johnson: It's just additional footage of the suspect
moving around within the church. We're just hoping that somebody will see
something that piques their interest and spurs their memory so that they
may make a connection to somebody that they know and they can provide
us that tip.

And further on in the transcript ...

Female Reporter: Because it looks like the person was in there about a
half an hour. Do you know what they were doing during that time?

Assistant Chief Kevin Johnson: We do, and the videos that we've
released and the additional video reflect most of the behavior that we know
about that took place inside the church.

These are the only times you will find mentioned and in both instances Kevin Johnson is talking about the video they were releasing at the time of that press conference.

The only thing we have from MPD concerning additional footage was a question posed on their facebook page on 6/30 or 7/1 and answered twice, the second answer contradicting the first, and has since been removed from their page:

So what are you trying to say, KEVIN JOHNSON did Not say additional footage was NOT SEEN and hasn't been released???

READ ABOVE ON THE PRESS CONFERENCE PLEASE, he in fact stated there's more

That post came from a sleuther on the FB page jmo and contradictory statements causing some to be removed

MPD isn't going to tell everything

 

[GeeEm]

LE just contridicted themselved with those answers. Sheesh.

Exactly!!

That's why FB is not a reliable source of information all the time

Thanks

 

[Jethro4WS]

And didn't BB state that he'd seen more than what's been released and that he saw the suspect holstering the hammer in a manner that led him to think suspect might be male?

Do we know when he actually said this? I have been trying to track down the original source of this.

 

[GeeEm]

I've got to say this is a matter of interpretation imho. I'm sorry to disagree Jethro4WS. I do see your point, but I think they are trying to deflect here. They are basically saying " No more video for you, folks. See you in the court room" If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say they got a lesson in talking too much from the Big Kids. MPD got schooled. Jmo, of course.

EXCELLENT POST!

They(LE)were "hounded" for what little information they did release

Thanks

 

[Jethro4WS]

So what are you trying to say, KEVIN JOHNSON did Not say additional footage was NOT SEEN and hasn't been released???

READ ABOVE ON THE PRESS CONFERENCE PLEASE, he in fact stated there's more

That post came from a sleuther on the FB page jmo and contradictory statements causing some to be removed

MPD isn't going to tell everything

No. I am saying that when talking about additional footage in that press conference Johnson was referring to the 2:27 video that they released in conjunction with that very same press conference. It is clear that is what he is talking about because the reporters asking questions wouldn't have seen it yet when the press conference actually started.