TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[Camerabug]

In my opinion you can't really get to motive unless you have one or more POI to work from. Otherwise you have the generic catch-alls. Unless it was a burglary gone wrong Missy was killed by someone for a very specific reason. They went through a lot of trouble to do it with plenty of other effective alternatives that were less elaborate. For what it is worth I believe the transformation Missy went through, not just physically, was what led to her murder. In her life she had crossed paths with someone that could not have that around. Someone she has known for years before the transformation. Who she had become was more than troublesome for her murderer. Missy couldn't be allowed to continue being part of their world.

This case is incredibly complex, more like a spider's web than a made-for-tv you done me wrong now I'm going to do you wrong show. I think what you may perceive as people following one POI is in all actuality following threads to see how one person plays in (or out) of the timeline. For example. I believe the Altima sets the timeline much earlier than previously believed. If that is the case, what is affected by that? Is that the 'all clear' phone call to SP or someone else involved? Was that the last check on the church to make sure no janitorial work was being done? If MB got up at 3:30am, any last minute changes had to happen BEFORE then. Little things that seem to have no relevance may have some part to play in how this all went down. This was well planned. jmo The tower dump SW appears to back this up. That was the importance of the Altima.

 

[Camerabug]

I really apologize if this has been asked before, doing my best to catch up, but in the picture you attached of SP...am I the only person seeing a second person in the background? I may just be imagining things in hopes of finally getting answers, but I really see someone wearing a baseball cap in the back?

Welcome! It's tough to get caught up here, isn't it! It is a great group!
Now then, we have discussed this quite a while ago, so no need to worry..someone local had to tell us-it is a coat rack! Apparently it has a coat on it! lol. Good catch though!

 

[Camerabug]

The church layout is interesting to some people since SW wandered around it, breaking things, etc. Nobody here will solve the crime imo, because we're not privy to LE's information. But it's still interesting for many as a discussion topic because of its being such a bizarre mystery, as well as the emotional aspect of it (frustration because there's no justice yet).

I think (JMO of course!) that this never really was a faked break-in. It was just destruction-as much as could be done. That's why it doesn't "make sense". As the motive begins to solidify in my mind, this was an almost insane hatred of the place that took MB away from her family and home--which was where she belonged in the killer's (or at least the planner's) mind..all just my own humble opinion

 

[Deleted member 102539]

This case is incredibly complex, more like a spider's web than a made-for-tv you done me wrong now I'm going to do you wrong show. I think what you may perceive as people following one POI is in all actuality following threads to see how one person plays in (or out) of the timeline. For example. I believe the Altima sets the timeline much earlier than previously believed. If that is the case, what is affected by that? Is that the 'all clear' phone call to SP or someone else involved? Was that the last check on the church to make sure no janitorial work was being done? If MB got up at 3:30am, any last minute changes had to happen BEFORE then. Little things that seem to have no relevance may have some part to play in how this all went down. This was well planned. jmo The tower dump SW appears to back this up. That was the importance of the Altima.

We have one car with the driver "not coming forward" (Altima) and we have car no. 2 which wasn't describable to the public (perhaps also the Altima or another unknown car) - mysterious. Don't know at what time car 2 was parking in the lot, how long before MB's arrival.
The phone SW was caused by a tip to police. I would like to know what an extensive tip that was if so many POIs became investigated. Looks like a much bigger thing than only "jealousy" IF the tip to police was justified and right. (I have to rethink it now ......)

 

[observation]

The veteran FBI agent on one of the national shows had a two-fold reading on it. 1. It was a mother in law lashing out, out of anger/frustration OR 2. A mother deflecting suspicions off of her son. And it could be either IHO.

Don't believe I have see this- any reference for the FBI agent interpretation you can share? Makes sense in general though. I got the distinct feeling MT was specifically referring to CT in her letters but that's just my own speculation and hunch.


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[observation]

Still trying to figure out how all these pictures of rooms and floor plans is of any help!

I'm not really 100% on this but have a strong hunch it was AJ's wife.


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[Camerabug]

Watching ID channel tonight a detective said there is only 3 reasons for a homicide
Sex
Money
Revenge

I also watched as these detectives put together a Murder Board. Would be interesting to see with the info we know posted here
On WS.

wish I had seen this!

 

[observation]

From the May presser a comment made in the Q&A has always stayed with me. LE was asked about tips and IIRC- LE said 80-90% of the tips were disposed of because they had little connection to Midlothian, camp gladiator or the church. There is a connection here- what is it? I hope someone breaks this case wide open!


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[CHUCKJ]

Members of the church of Christ follow the Biblical teaching that we are to obey the "laws of the land"(Romans 13). The only exception would be if a law directly violated one of GODs commandments. There is no specific church "tenant" pertaining to capital punishment....but again we are to obey the laws of the land, and this punishment is allowed by law in some states and is not the same as murder. Actually, Im sure you will find some members who are personally pro capital punishment and some who are not.

Certainly, it would not be GODLY/spiritual/ biblical or loving for one to take matters into his own hands and not allow the justice system to find a person guilty and punishable by law.

I hope I am halfway answering what you wanted to know.

ETA if this person killed Missy because they considered it to be punishment, and justifiable, for some "wrong" they considered her to have committed...it certainly wasnt a church/Christian teaching under which they had the [imagined] authority to do so. It was an evil act perpetrated by an evil person acting solely upon personal motive.

IMO, religion, has no relavence in this case. The church just happend to be a space that MB either rented out or was allowed to use, most likely in exchange for some sort of donation to the church. May just because the church is a charritable organization that supports their community, member or not. Regardless, MB had other venues to work out that were not churches. A church, letting a member, or member of the community use its facilities, is not at all unusual. As MB was not a member ot this church, I doubt that many, if any, COC members knew of her marital indiscretions, nor do I think, regardless of what their beliefs are that a fanatic may have killed her because he/she disliked that she was using the facility for a work out class.

I believe it was the most convient location for the crime to be commited. A little remote, alone, wee hours of the morning. I am not of the opinion that this person had to be someone in MB's inside circle (family or close friends) to know that she would be there that morning, as one of the first facts we learned was that she announced it to the world on facebook the night before. I have no doubt that most likley this suspect knew MB in some regard. What that was, I have not idea, but I do have my suspicions. Im not in the Mulitple perp, family did it camp.

As for the question of what kind of person would do this in a church? Well, the unfortunate facts, are that population in general, have become less and less religious, and the majority of our young people are now either agnostic, or out and out athiest. Many of our adults are agnostic, and religion really just has no relavence in their lives, so Church, burger joint.....nickles worth of differance, and particularly to the type of personality that would kill someone.

 

[Camerabug]

Interested. Can you please elaborate.

I Went out and read a few studies about stranger on stranger crime but they seem to follow the first 2 reasons. The studies show that stranger on stranger crime generally is solved sooner and prison time is increased as this type of crime is seen as something the person could perpetrate again and again. Non-stranger (family member, friend, acquaintance) gets less time as jury members do not see this person as committing another murder because the offender perceives that the victim wronged them in some way.

Furthermore, I don't see our SP-or the mastermind behind SP- ever committing another murder either. The 'affront' has been avenged. The situation that no-one would listen to him/her about has been 'put to rest' and won't ever be a problem again.

 

[CHUCKJ]

i think it is strange that she says " I honestly pray you do not have children."
Then one sentence later she says "you have ruined your children's life"
Then "your children will get to visit you in prison "
"I will be praying for all of them"


It seems she is stating one thing but knows this person does have children. Does she
Know who SP is? Per her letter if she, anyone or any Bevers family member knows who this is
"they are as guilty as you are, for not coming forward!"

I think, just the opposite. She has no clue. She is lashing out and using her words in an attempt to shame or guilt the perp into comming forward. Not that it would work. but thats what it looks like to me. I dont think you can read much into this. I have seen neumerous victims familys wright very similar letters to the public. As well as parents and family of missing persons, hoping to appeal to the killer, or kidnapper's sensitive side. Most of them dont have one. by saying wife and kids, she was just covering her bases. She could have said mom and dad, brothers and sisters, friends, or even thos who love you.

 

[Camerabug]

Do you even realize what you have done to her daughters, husband, our whole family? Was it really worth it? Why did you think this was so necessary?

You know who you are! Your husband/wife and family members know who you are. They know your "special" walk. Right now, they are as guilty as you are, by not coming forward! I honestly pray you do not have children. My granddaughters at least have the knowledge, their mom was a kindhearted, loving, caring person. You have now ruined your children's life, along with your family's life by doing this senseless act. We can at least visit Missy at her grave site, even though we have the comfort of knowing Missy is already in heaven. Your children will get to visit you in prison, forever reminded of your crazy, senseless act. What a legacy you have doled out to your family! I will be praying for all of them.

I truly feel worse for your family, than mine. Please, come forward!! Give yourself peace, give our family peace. Give some honor back to your family!

God will forgive you.

We will forgive you, because we know and you know, that is what Jesus has commanded us to do.

MT

has anyone analyzed this letter.?

in no particular order:
I truly feel worse for your family, than mine. sees herself as the head of the family. it belongs to 'her' don't mess wit it. shows possession
we know that is what Jesus has commanded us to do. they are on a sacred mission...I think she means herself
They know your "special" walk...odd thing for a woman of God to say...shows her true mean-spiritedness. Even your family thinks your are sub-par
My granddaughters...shows possession

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I'm not really 100% on this but have a strong hunch it was AJ's wife.


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Never would I think of someone like her. She had been described as an intelligent woman, she has four children, she doesn't look like the SP (IMO) and if she was jealous of someone her husband had an affair with - how would a murder solve her problem?? There are hundreds of other woman who may flirt with her husband before/during/after training. Day after tomorrow he could have a new affair with a female trainer collegue or CG member (IF he ever had an affair). I think she can't be so stupid to assume having her marriage preserved with a murder. - I would be verrry surprised if (female) CT turns out to be the killer.

 

[CHUCKJ]

Never would I think of someone like her. She had been described as an intelligent woman, she has four children, she doesn't look like the SP (IMO) and if she was jealous of someone her husband had an affair with - how would a murder solve her problem?? There are hundreds of other woman who may flirt with her husband before/during/after training. Day after tomorrow he could have a new affair with a female trainer collegue or CG member (IF he ever had an affair). I think she can't be so stupid to assume having her marriage preserved with a murder. - I would be verrry surprised if (female) CT turns out to be the killer.

I agree.

This theory, has really puzzled me from the beginning, as the only real motivation for it is that her initials matched those of someone on the SW, and her husband worked with MB. Other than that, I have seen nothing to indicate, the her husband, had and affair with MB, or was even flirtatious with MB or vise, versa. For that matter, both of them may have conducted themselves in the most porfessional manner. I really have no idea way, so to imply that somehow there is motive there, is counter productive in my opinion. Furthermore, she may be the least jellous person you ever met...again i have no idea in either direction.

 

[CHUCKJ]

Don't believe I have see this- any reference for the FBI agent interpretation you can share? Makes sense in general though. I got the distinct feeling MT was specifically referring to CT in her letters but that's just my own speculation and hunch.


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How do we know that MT even knows who CT is?

 

[observation]

How do we know that MT even knows who CT is?

I personally have no insight but I believe we have discussed our thoughts and speculations about this many threads ago. Likely when she was turning out letters each week- or so it seemed.


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[DeDee]

True & I wish we could put it to rest for certain because SwatPerps height variances as reported are so large that it has always been something that bothers me. I have my own estimations of the height of the interior Church doors. That being said, the other poster & I concur about our estimated heights of SWATperp & it doesn't align with LE's 5'2" to 5'7".

The length of the Rest Room doors at the SW end of the West Hallway are 84".

These 84" Rest Room doors, inside the alcove, were at Missy's immediate left hand side upon entering from the canopied area.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Still trying to figure out how all these pictures of rooms and floor plans is of any help!

Here are some ways it can help. Most importantly, when watching the videos it might help to know just where SP is at any time they are seen. It allows you to know what might be behind any door. Or it may allow you to know what was just around the corner. It allows for even the simplest of things like knowing the direction of travel. Where could SP go after they went out of range of a camera. You could determine how many different ways SP could have gotten to where they appear after disappearing elsewhere.

With information like that you can examine your theories or explore theories or evaluate theories of others. At a minimum having a map with named references and a compass reference will allow people to discuss a place in the church and people could have a common understanding of just what they are talking about. If someone "thinks" SP is on one side of the building and they really are not it can be difficult to understand what they are trying to convey. If someone "thinks" you can get from point A to point B directly and you really can't it helps to be able to sort it out.

You could ask questions about the church and get an answer that provides information rather than a guess. If you want to know how far a camera can detect motion it helps to know where SP is in relation to the building to understand that.

Understanding the movements of SP may uncover whether they were following a specific path, did they go all the way across the church for a specific purpose, did they have to go all the way across the church because they forgot something. Did they make any mistakes. Maybe they were perfect. But perhaps there is a mistake in there, something SP did or where they went that doesn't seem like much of anything could lead somewhere.

You might be able to estimate how much time it would take to get from A to B or how you might travel a path around the church that avoids cameras.

Every last thing SP went or did in that church is an element of the crime. It tells you something about SP. It tells you something about the crime.
Understanding and discovering just a few dimensions has allowed for much better correction of the aspect ratio of the video MPD has released which is very valuable.

We don't have much evidence to work with. So, there are some people who are determined to work through what is there. Enhance what we have with more information and see if we can learn something. Perhaps, it could lead to a tip. Maybe not. But why sit on your hands if there is something that can be worked out. I don't think any of the people participating are worried about hitting dead ends. But at least the pieces of evidence we have seen will have been worked over.

If you believe this was a planned killing then the more you can understand about what SP did where the better chance you might have of reverse engineering some or all of what was planned.

If you believe this a burglary gone wrong, there may still be something to learn.

There are many other detailed aspects of this crime that others work on. Trying to identify the gear SP is wearing. Trying to identify the tools. Even in that process other things are discovered, such as how the strapping of the left leg was different from the right. There is a reason for that, but it needs to be uncovered. That strapping could very well explain the whole "gait" issue with regard to the left leg and that would mean that you won't find someone walking around everyday just like SP. There are other things about this crime to learn.

And it wouldn't surprise me if MPD didn't learn some of these things yet.

Just the other day someone posted a link to a video of a former LE (maybe FBI) that talked about how it was unusual that a burglar would bring a bar and a hammer as the bar is all they need. But SP had two different hammers - though I don't think the former LE person spent that much time looking into things before offering his input. So, SP is telling everyone - us and MPD - something. Figuring out just what that is might provide a lead or even just winnow down suspects.

While there are discussion going on with respect to the mapping, and yes there is some minutia that doesn't seem helpful, the end product of that will be a better map with more accuracy of locations (the map I work on is to scale and is aiming for exact placement of doors, windows, etc) that people can put to use without knowing how a room or window ended up where it did. They can leverage the sum knowledge and efforts of several people with ease, and for free. And maybe, just maybe, they might have the key that can get justice for Missy and her family.

Just my opinion.

 

[MrsPC]

Here are some ways it can help. Most importantly, when watching the videos it might help to know just where SP is at any time they are seen. It allows you to know what might be behind any door. Or it may allow you to know what was just around the corner. It allows for even the simplest of things like knowing the direction of travel. Where could SP go after they went out of range of a camera. You could determine how many different ways SP could have gotten to where they appear after disappearing elsewhere.

With information like that you can examine your theories or explore theories or evaluate theories of others. At a minimum having a map with named references and a compass reference will allow people to discuss a place in the church and people could have a common understanding of just what they are talking about. If someone "thinks" SP is on one side of the building and they really are not it can be difficult to understand what they are trying to convey. If someone "thinks" you can get from point A to point B directly and you really can't it helps to be able to sort it out.

You could ask questions about the church and get an answer that provides information rather than a guess. If you want to know how far a camera can detect motion it helps to know where SP is in relation to the building to understand that.

Understanding the movements of SP may uncover whether they were following a specific path, did they go all the way across the church for a specific purpose, did they have to go all the way across the church because they forgot something. Did they make any mistakes. Maybe they were perfect. But perhaps there is a mistake in there, something SP did or where they went that doesn't seem like much of anything could lead somewhere.

You might be able to estimate how much time it would take to get from A to B or how you might travel a path around the church that avoids cameras.

Every last thing SP went or did in that church is an element of the crime. It tells you something about SP. It tells you something about the crime.
Understanding and discovering just a few dimensions has allowed for much better correction of the aspect ratio of the video MPD has released which is very valuable.

We don't have much evidence to work with. So, there are some people who are determined to work through what is there. Enhance what we have with more information and see if we can learn something. Perhaps, it could lead to a tip. Maybe not. But why sit on your hands if there is something that can be worked out. I don't think any of the people participating are worried about hitting dead ends. But at least the pieces of evidence we have seen will have been worked over.

If you believe this was a planned killing then the more you can understand about what SP did where the better chance you might have of reverse engineering some or all of what was planned.

If you believe this a burglary gone wrong, there may still be something to learn.

There are many other detailed aspects of this crime that others work on. Trying to identify the gear SP is wearing. Trying to identify the tools. Even in that process other things are discovered, such as how the strapping of the left leg was different from the right. There is a reason for that, but it needs to be uncovered. That strapping could very well explain the whole "gait" issue with regard to the left leg and that would mean that you won't find someone walking around everyday just like SP. There are other things about this crime to learn.

And it wouldn't surprise me if MPD didn't learn some of these things yet.

Just the other day someone posted a link to a video of a former LE (maybe FBI) that talked about how it was unusual that a burglar would bring a bar and a hammer as the bar is all they need. But SP had two different hammers - though I don't think the former LE person spent that much time looking into things before offering his input. So, SP is telling everyone - us and MPD - something. Figuring out just what that is might provide a lead or even just winnow down suspects.

While there are discussion going on with respect to the mapping, and yes there is some minutia that doesn't seem helpful, the end product of that will be a better map with more accuracy of locations (the map I work on is to scale and is aiming for exact placement of doors, windows, etc) that people can put to use without knowing how a room or window ended up where it did. They can leverage the sum knowledge and efforts of several people with ease, and for free. And maybe, just maybe, they might have the key that can get justice for Missy and her family.

Just my opinion.

where did you learn that the killer had two different hammers?

 

[DeDee]

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