TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[Camerabug]

Catching up sorry if already been addressed.
My reply was just to correct that you said the Altima was seen on 5/20 (typo, that was my reason for replying with a link) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-34&p=12718339#post12718339
Also MPD has not told us when they rec'd the video from SWFA. We were told April 18 Press Conf that they had collected video from area business surv cameras, which could be a lot. Also Kerry Sanders from Today Show April 21 said on Thur that FBI was going thru video from SWFA to see if anyone had been in store with same gait and mannerisms recently. IIRC from MSM video interview with employee of the SWFA they noticed the 2 am car pretty fast and alerted MPD. JMHO I do not think that they didnt contact MPD until late May. IIRC, the reason for the 2nd post about NOT a suspect, is because in a comment on the First post BB himself made a comment (which many had comments about) stating that the Altima is not a suspect vehicle and more or less recommended MPD to make another post stating that. I have ss but been a while since looked at it. Since BB reactivated his account, the post may have reactivated also. JMHO

My point in this post is if I am understanding your post that you think the SWFA just had gave the Altima video to MPD (I do not think this is correct but I could be wrong)
And the reason for the 2nd comment on the Altima on MPD fb page.
JMHO

No I messed up the date when I entered my data into my casebook (was trying to keep the Altima data together and pasted the wrong date over the correct date in my spreadsheet) and also had a severe brain fart over how the video came to be in the hands of MPD..

i will follow up on this..

 

[arkansasmimi]

Originally Posted by Jethro4WS View Post
Well, the bigger question would be, where do you think Room 12 is? To see the numerals "1" and "2" it that order the way we see in the video it can only be one other place and that would be the South Stage area. But then you have to have multiple doors on the sanctuary side and no doors in view down the hall on the room side of that hall. That doesn't make sense to me.

Whatever the case the door in the picture I posted that is on the SE corner of the east hall can't be room 12. If it were, instead of seeing the "1" and then the "2" we would see the "2" and then the "1" in the video. For the same reason it can't be at the North Stage either as the numerals would be in the wrong order when viewing the video.

This is why I'm having so much trouble. I haven't been able to get the photos I've seen to match up with the layout on the east side of the building. I agree that the room at the SE corner is not room 12. I'm thinking it's probably room 14 or 15.

JMHO, The CCoC layout is important to me, but we are looking at limited and mostly old photos and from strange views. We also know there were remodeling done as that can be seen in many photos over time frames. They were not taken for the purpose we are looking at them. I have ss of many photos that were tagged orig but have since been untagged so I will not post. There are also various places in the church that haven't been posted photos of. For me, Room 10 & 12 are on the East hallway and somewhere near Room 8. I got those figured out and the SW corner. Those are what are important to me as well as the kitchen. I also do not think the Suspect entered the Worship Center/Auditorium JMHO at this time. Subject to change with more factual released info.
I do not think the video is in chronological order because we have not been told that for a fact. To assume that without any factual point is to go down many rabbit holes.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Do you have a picture that shows both bathrooms that should be there? And the class room. What you posted before was a room that was at least 20 feet wide with no bathrooms in sight and then a photo of a smaller carpet in front of a bathroom and I don't know how that could fit on the west side of the room and not be in the other photo. And then there is the entrance from the Kitchen into there which doesn't make much sense to me if it is a classroom.

K1 can't be any wider than 20 feet because the kitchen is 36 feet wide and Room 8 is 40 feet wide. There is a 1 foot separator for the counters and rollup windows between the Kitchen and Room 8. The sanctuary is 90 feet on the one side of that hall. The other side of the hall is 97 feet - 7 feet longer. That is why in the opening sequence we see the easternmost door to room 8 extended past the sanctuary side on the right with the door almost centered on the East hall. You can tell it extends 7 feet because the column at the east end of room 8 aligns to the NE corner column of the sanctuary. From the Dad day video you can see that area and it has a set of double windows (6 feet wide total) and 1 foot of space immediately right of that column. So for me it is simply a real estate issue. Not much room to have bathrooms and a classroom in the same space.

I have seen the Creekside pics of that hall recently and I know where the one door is but I really think it is bathrooms there with a different layout than I have - they are arbitrary in dimensions on my map but placed where they are by where the plumbing stacks are on the roof. The westernmost stack is right at the NW corner on the North side of the hall. And the other is 10 feet to the right. They must be there.

With the Kitchen (K3) connected to K1 via a door the only reasonable thing I could put there was a room they might use for kitchen related stuff. I haven't seen anywhere in the place where they keep all their plates, bowls, dishes, any refridgerators, dishwashers so I figured they must have a place for that along with maybe somewhere were they might sit and plan out any kitchen related stuff they work on. Then again, maybe they don't have any of that stuff.

As for Room 21 I only labelled that by the photo of that room based on what the apparent age of the children were (3-5) in that photo. It is the one with the butterfly rug. The column in that room aligns with the center of the large X's you see in photos of the west side of the sanctuary between the doors.

Room 6 I believe to be W1 on my map. The photos there (snow scene) are of a large room. The column seen in the one photo of the whole set up aligns with the NW corner column of the sanctuary. There is no other window configuration on the building that has 28 feet of room visible and only one window that can be seen other than there.

The one picture you did post as room 6 I actually believe to be E1 on the map. But the other room with the bathroom is elsewhere. There is a plumbing stack for the South Stage area and I thought it could be in there. There is also a plumbing stack in the NEC area on my map, perhaps they have something there (that we haven't seen from any hallway photos).

Room 6 is next to the Kitchen and Room 7 is the Kitchen (new VBS photos show the 7 and room 8 is next. That is a multipurpose room with the interior door that would be locked on the room 8 side. To enter from room 8 into the kitchen, one would have to break into that room. If not kept locked, no reason for the roll down locked windows. Also JMHO room 7 Kitchen does not open into room 6. There is a room behind the ice machine that can be seen in one photo. I thinking this must be pantry and where the refrig and freezers are kept. Also near the outside shut off gages. JMHO

 

[Batbrat]

Since i'm in the Stalker Camp today, thinking what kinda of guy (and age) would be mostly to do it.
I'll have to google it for ideas. But off the top of my head, he's probably mids 20s or early 30s.
Do i think she could attract the younger set since she's 45? I think so.... ?
jmo

Depends on the type of stalker, really. There are several kinds. The "rejected" and "resentful" stalkers aren't always motivated by sexual attraction. They can even be of the same sex - a family member, neighbor, co-worker, former friend, etc.

I think MB transcended age, to be honest. If she had an "incompetent" or "intimacy-seeking" stalker, I don't think her age would necessarily preclude attraction by younger men. Additionally, stalking can go on for decades. Once a stalker forms a psychological attachment to their victim, it can span a lifetime. Really hard to wrap your head around.

 

[WannaBDetective]

Do we know for certain who CTucker is in the SW? Is it BB'S half bro or AJ'S wife?

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CT with the search warrant has been confirmed to be AJ's wife.

 

[SandyQLS]

Watching ID channel tonight a detective said there is only 3 reasons for a homicide Sex Money Revenge I also watched as these detectives put together a Murder Board. Would be interesting to see with the info we know posted here On WS.

wish I had seen this!

There is an ad running on ID channel for Lt. Joe Kenda's next season beg. August where he says that - sex, money, revenge. Love Lt. Joe, but JMO 4 reasons: Love/Sex, Money, Revenge/Rage and...... Crazy.

 

[Razz]

CT with the search warrant has been confirmed to be AJ's wife.

Can you link the confirmation, please?

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[arkansasmimi]

bbm

I have tried to follow and keep up with the floor plan\doors\entry\etc. discussion, and greatly appreciate the effort several of you have invested into drawings, etc. I keep thinking I'll spend some time with all the photos I've accumulated and really study the existing floor plans, because something about the two main drawings shared with WS don't feel quite right to me. But I keep tripping over rl stuff.

Maybe I'm having a brain flip, but, Jethro4WS, how\why would the numerals ever show in the wrong order? Wouldn't the camera have to be recording a mirrored view for that to be the case? Doesn't the camera "see" just as we would be seeing if we were in that position?

Though I'm not a member of Creekside cofC, I worship at churches of Christ, and most (if not all) churches of Christ have a baptistry at the front end of the sanctuaries\auditoriums, usually with changing rooms off to each side, and which probably each have a door to an adjacent hallway. I don't think the southside wall of the Creekside sanctuary\auditorium will have very many doors or entryways into the auditorium, maybe one entry at the west corner of the southside hall, and one more toward the easterly corner of the southside hall.

Also, most of us church of Christ-ers do not consider the church BUILDING as holy or sanctified or any different than any other building. (We consider His people to be the church.) So I would assume most Creekside church-goers would NOT have a problem with an exercise class anywhere in the building, even the auditorium. At my home church, at the end of services, we push all the chairs to the front to make an open space in the auditorium for a yoga class which meets in our building two or three times during the week. We also house the local food bank, have one office space used by a family counselor and another used as a temp office, and meeting rooms used by community groups. We are glad to see our building being utilized and used instead of sitting empty for much of each week.

So I wouldn't be surprised if Missy held her CG class in the auditorium on a rainy morning. I am on the fence about where she was found. I do think if she was in the sw corner of the auditorium, it explains how the perp was not seen again on video, and how perp left the same way they came in without being on video, and why maybe some doors were left open. A quick dash across the hall to an open door, and the cameras would not have time to activate and catch the exit from the auditorium.

What keeps me from thinking that MB or the Suspect were inside the Auditorium/Worship Center is there are locks on the handles. Here is a ss from Dads Day video. This is the West hallway entrance. which would be just in front of the area we saw Suspect open the door at 358am.
also the same door that 11 Frogs posted where CG campers apparently worked out, outside this door at least they did Jan 6 2016. that photo MB posted on the Midlothian CG facebook page.

JMHO Suspect would have had to have a key to open any Worship Center door from outside to get in or break in. No windows on the doors. If broke in one would have to prop open any other door to reenter as the locking mechanism is only released by pressing the panic bar or total unlock from key if locked. Again jmho. Link to see what inside the door looks like https://www.facebook.com/1793451023...79345102342/10150972029792343/?type=3&theater this link is view of doors just posted and the South door just in front of the Dutch door.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Also note that this room has cafeteria style tables designed for small children. This is another reason I'm convinced it is near/attached to the kitchen.

agree and the wording posters are the same on the wall by the windows.

 

[SandyQLS]

in no particular order: I truly feel worse for your family, than mine. sees herself as the head of the family. it belongs to 'her' don't mess wit it. shows possession we know that is what Jesus has commanded us to do. they are on a sacred mission...I think she means herself They know your "special" walk...odd thing for a woman of God to say...shows her true mean-spiritedness. Even your family thinks your are sub-par My granddaughters...shows possession

11frogs - I think this is an excellent inquiry and I saw your earlier post (page 43) about the back and forth on SP's imagined children - great catch. And same to you camerabug - fascinating perspective. What I also notice is MT's repeated use of "We" so I agree that MT sees herself as head of the family self-qualified to speak on behalf of all others. For example, another writer would have used "MB's daughters" or "the children" instead of "MY granddaughters". The one person to whom MT does not show a relationship to herself or use a possessive pronoun is MB. She refers to her as "their mother" and as M----, but never refers to MB as her own daughter-in-law, or like a daughter to me, my son's beloved wife, our MB, or any other indicators of a close and loving relationship or even a possessive relationship. In the context of MT's other word choices, the distance is apparent in reference to MB. I am also intrigued by the excessive religiosity of both MT and BB in their communications, which could be a geographical/cultural attribute. [deleted link] Some may believe that "The Psychology Behind The 'Sermon' in Denials" can be an indicator of guilt or immorality in the one giving the sermon.

 

[Scout]

Jethro's amazing interior map of CCC:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-32&p=12692621#post12692621

From the NE Corner, traveling the N hall toward the W hall, the first door is 8, the Cafe'. The second door is also 8, the Cafe'. The next two doors are numbered 7, the Kitchen areas. In between 7 and 8 is an interior door entering and exiting between those two rooms.

[video=youtube;ePS8TJ6UAqY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePS8TJ6UAqY[/video]

The purple haze lighting, seen on the floor and edges near the walls, comes from the center interior light in the ceiling. It might be the motion sensor that is inserted into the overhead fluorescent lights in the N and the S hallways.

I'm not sure why you responded to my post about Room 6 with this???

 

[arkansasmimi]

The 3rd picture is definitely K1. Just as before with the S1 resolution. This 3rd pictures confirms and shows the structural column that should be next to the window.

The second photo has the column in the corner that aligns with the NW sanctuary column. And with the matching "faithfulness" sticker that is this room.
The 4th photo I know is a door to this area.

I have to see if there is anything to locate where specifically the 1st photo is within the confines of this space.

I have enlarged the shot of that door to see what if anything can be seen beyond.

If those are the same things then the bathroom seen would be along the K3 wall of this room - starting from the hall end toward the windows -that would be the SE corner of the room. It could be 5 ft wide and 8 long and would be about 5 ft to the right after walking in the door. The door on the bathroom being at the left end of that bathroom if you were looking at it. If you think those are the same things, that is.

I wish we had another picture, because I do expect there should be another in the SW corner of this room that looks just like it.

There aren't too many orientations for bathrooms in the space because of how small the room is overall without at least part of it showing in the 2nd picture. But those kinds of dimensions work, anything bigger makes photo #2 impossible without seeing something.

A mockup of it looks like ...

The room with the sink that Scout posted, has the Same rug as in the one with the group of people with windows behind and the same little word posters those are all in the same room.

 

[Scout]

JMHO, The CCoC layout is important to me, but we are looking at limited and mostly old photos and from strange views. We also know there were remodeling done as that can be seen in many photos over time frames. They were not taken for the purpose we are looking at them. I have ss of many photos that were tagged orig but have since been untagged so I will not post. There are also various places in the church that haven't been posted photos of. For me, Room 10 & 12 are on the East hallway and somewhere near Room 8. I got those figured out and the SW corner. Those are what are important to me as well as the kitchen. I also do not think the Suspect entered the Worship Center/Auditorium JMHO at this time. Subject to change with more factual released info.
I do not think the video is in chronological order because we have not been told that for a fact. To assume that without any factual point is to go down many rabbit holes.

What makes you think suspect didn't enter the auditorium?

I'm still uncertain about the arrangement of classrooms on the east hall. However I believe the numbers go in sequential order in a clockwise direction, with Room 2 being Cub Corner, Room 6 the classroom west of the kitchen, Room 8 the Cafe, and Room 21 the double Dutch door room. I'm inclined to think the east side is classrooms 12, 13, and 14. Puzzled by Room 10 because of elements in the photos I can't explain if it's on the back side of the stage those being windows, door location, and a structural column.

IMO, the video is in chronological order albeit with the possibility of segments missing. Not sure whether that's because police have them and haven't released them or merely because parts of the suspect's movements throughout the building weren't recorded.

I'm still up in the air on whether there were cameras at the NW and SE corners.

 

[Scout]

Bumping this post from last night because I think it illustrates that there is a door connecting the kitchen to Room 6.

I can't believe I'm still up trying to figure out Room 6, but I think my delirium has paid off. I was wrong about this being a glimpse of a bathroom through the open door.

View attachment 99095

It is actually a small sink in the kitchen just inside the north exit. I've circled the edge of the sink visible under the guy's arm.

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So that open door in Room 6 is the one that's standing open in the kitchen to the left of the exit door.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I agree with your post CoverMeCagney! I think a lot of posters have put time and effort into the church layout, however what does that prove who killed Missy?
All we know is that she was found in the SW corner according MPD no other information

I named a few things we are aware of:

It has not been released how she was actually murdered no other information that what MLE presented to the public

Missy went to COC to teach CG attendees at 5pm

We see a person dressed up in Swat Gear(supposedly swat gear not sure if it the acutal uniform)

There is additional surveillance video that has not been released to the public Confirmed by LE

Additional footage was released showing a Nissan with a possible person/s POI during Press conference http://www.fox4news.com/news/143398538-story

SW were made for cell phone tower coverage POI have been listed on SW

LE thinks Perp left the way he may have entered, not verfied

LE is not sure if the perpetrator is male or female and changed the height on the last press conference

Perpetrator appears to have possible "gait" according to LE


So WHY keep posting pictures of the church(COC)which will not identify the murderer? Some posters agree/disagree to which rooms are which vs doors??
This is not going to solve this case.
Can we move on to something else to discuss or is this like:
sharrods vs shards
splatter vs spatter
crockpot vs dinner on stove
FB vs LE
agree vs disagree etc

Honestly I am really being nice, it's just so repetitive and I suppose half of the posters will just stop posting or reading, and I am only talking about myself I only have stated my opinions nothing more

Thanks

While I speak only for myself. Respectfully, with no new information since gosh forever... what else is there new that has not literally been dissected to the bone? JMHO, it seems to bother those who don't care about the current conversation going on. Some posting say layout convo may not care about say the eyes convo or what the sticker on the Altima is :scared:. So I think its just fair to scroll and roll if you (anyone not meant to you specifically) Also some people who bring something back up may have been away doing other things or research on an aspect they are interested in and come back and post it. Not knowing the possible big brewhaha that has happened. I know for a fact, has happened to me. Except my point was I was just posting a link to what was stated incorrectly to clarify. I am not trying to start any discourse on the thread, just that this is the 34th thread so most everything has been spoken about 10 times lol on each thread. I also think as with other cases, some are not posting as honestly there is nothing new to post about unless something has peeked their thoughts. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

There is another kitchen photo with a door beside the ice machine, light is on and it appears to have a rack like would put pantry type items < JMHO this is a small room next to the room 6 not part of room 6 with doors at each side (hallway on one end and the door exit. I thinking maybe the frig and freezer are in this room . And that the room behind the stove and so forth that that is sink room and that it may extend down to the roll up door at that end of the room and room 8. Would make sense, put dirty dishes through that opening.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Jumping jacks in a section of sanctuary? If it was carpeted, maybe not, because of wear and tear; but if not carpeted, possibly.
Trying to think if I saw a pic of sanctuary. I think I did but not sure if I can come up with it. Seemed like it had a lift 'thing' for a cameraman. But can't remember anything else.

There are many photos on the Creekside come as you are facebook. I have not seen carpet in the Sanctuary/Auditorium/Worship Center photos not that I remember at least.

 

[Scout]

My floor plan of kitchen and connecting door to Room 6 with the sink in its nook by the kitchen exit door.



ETA: Ignore square footage notations. The diagram is not to scale.

 

[Scout]

There is another kitchen photo with a door beside the ice machine, light is on and it appears to have a rack like would put pantry type items < JMHO this is a small room next to the room 6 not part of room 6 with doors at each side (hallway on one end and the door exit. I thinking maybe the frig and freezer are in this room . And that the room behind the stove and so forth that that is sink room and that it may extend down to the roll up door at that end of the room and room 8. Would make sense, put dirty dishes through that opening.

Is this the photo you're referring to?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Someone remind me - what activities were scheduled for the CG campers the morning of the murder? I am asking to get an idea of the space required. For example, a dozen people working in two-man teams doing pushups and situps on mats does not require much space; but more strenuous activities, and those that might cause any out-of-balance of a participant's body, would be too dangerous in the limited space of the main hallway with obstacles like tables.

MB posted April 17 2016 at 6:49 pm Central Time, > Week 1 ENDURANCE and its weight day ETA: I guess one could go back and try find out what week the Jan 6 was to see what they were doing in the photo she posted on Midlothian CG page also they were indoors on Jan 11 also, when they took the HOLY GROUNDS photo.