TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 April 2016 #2

[Bill Carson]

If you remove a burglary gone wrong scenario ( which I have ) , then it really is curious they wanted to be inside the church at all, isn't it ? What is this about ? Did they know the cameras outside were not working or did they disable cameras outside before ? If so, why not commit the murder outside the building? Have the cameras outside been broken for days or weeks and if so, who knew this besides a few staff members who work at the church ? Could the outdoor cameras have been damaged in recent storms? Maybe the pastor mentioned it at a recent service? Maybe the whole congregation knew? But someone who did not attend the church would NOT know the cameras outside were not working unless they turned / disabled the cameras themselves? :thinking:

I am with you on this. I don't have an answer for why a hitman wouldn't do the job in the parking lot or at the door. I have some ideas, but they are pretty weak.

But we don't know about the exterior cameras. We don't know if the perp disabled the cameras and stole the recorder that morning, disabled the cameras earlier, or what. It does seem odd to me that the information we have been given is that "the cameras were not working on Monday." They didn't say how long they had been out. Weird.

 

[Gae]

I tend to agree also.

I'll 3rd that.

 

[liz b.]

What fight? Those images are from 20 minutes before Missy arrived.

I know. But, I'm thinking Missy would have put up some kind of a struggle . It would have been difficult for the killer to move around quickly and keep the shoe covers on. If they are shoe covers, it could have been so as not to eave drt/mud residue. Residuewhich could be tied in with the killer. Could well mean that the killer is very local. Also, the killer might have had boots with a vey distinct tread. Like a LE boot...

 

[truthbfound]

In the 2 vidoes posted earlier of the perp...in the top video the perp seems to be walking a bit faster and more with purpose and then looks to the left as they perhaps round the corner. In the bottom video perp seems to just be meandering around & casually walking.

 

[Canaille]

I'm wondering about if they knew about cameras as well. If they did know they were pretty careful to not look directly at them. If they did wear boot covers that would quite clever IMO to not leave a distinct shoe print.

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Or very OCD about getting their boots dirty.

 

[Bootsctr]

IMO, this crime was so thought out - to the nth degree. Nothing was left to chance.

But.... there's no such thing as the perfect crime is there?

OT: TY to krig101 for the tutu pic! I needed that. I know this case is so tragic, but you provided a bit of respite. Thanks.

 

[wildebeest]

If you remove a burglary gone wrong scenario ( which I have ) , then it really is curious they wanted to be inside the church at all, isn't it ? What is this about ? Did they know the cameras outside were not working or did they disable cameras outside before ? If so, why not commit the murder outside the building? Have the cameras outside been broken for days or weeks and if so, who knew this besides a few staff members who work at the church ? Could the outdoor cameras have been damaged in recent storms? Maybe the pastor mentioned it at a recent service? Maybe the whole congregation knew? But someone who did not attend the church would NOT know the cameras outside were not working unless they turned / disabled the cameras themselves? :thinking:

Very interesting thought, Schmae. I don't think his getaway vehicle was parked in sight of the church, so where would he have waited for her to arrive? He probably thought it was safer to wait inside the building, hence the heavy police gear. He probably removed boot covers just before the attack.

IMHO

 

[Glammie]

JMO, looks like a left handed female with combat boots on that are too large for them. Pant legs stuck down in their boots, therefore, making the bottom part of the leg look skinny.

I say left handed because they're carrying the hammer in their left hand, when I'd carry it in my right, being right handed.

The boots in one video look too large on their foot, when they take a step and it bends in the toe area.

All jmo.

I am left handed but do everything besides cut my food and write with my right hand. I had to adapt to a right handed world. Jmo.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

If you remove a burglary gone wrong scenario ( which I have ) , then it really is curious they wanted to be inside the church at all, isn't it ? What is this about ? Did they know the cameras outside were not working or did they disable cameras outside before ? If so, why not commit the murder outside the building? Have the cameras outside been broken for days or weeks and if so, who knew this besides a few staff members who work at the church ? Could the outdoor cameras have been damaged in recent storms? Maybe the pastor mentioned it at a recent service? Maybe the whole congregation knew? But someone who did not attend the church would NOT know the cameras outside were not working unless they turned / disabled the cameras themselves? :thinking:

ETA Who installed and serviced the cameras? Do they have a company who does that or a well meaning member of the church who volunteered to and maybe told others they were not working? "" i have to go fix the cameras at the church next weekend'' ..... and overheard by the perp ?

We need a presser with some answers or an arrest. Come on LE !

If this happened outside there's a non-zero probability that this could be seen along the road...and like she could have broken away running toward that road where if cars driving by didn't notice before, they'd notice then. This happening inside gave way more time to be assured operating in privacy, especially if you knew that Kevin Locks didn't come no Mondays and that the daughter wouldn't be there either.

 

[Glammie]

Yes, if I recall correctly- it stormed during the night. Our kids joined us in bed because the storms scared them.

Yes it was raining hard until about 6:30 am or so.

 

[Bill Carson]

LE said there was a struggle, though I don't know how much of that was staged. I do for instance think she could have been killed from behind and post-mortem glass and such was broken to make it look like it was an interrupted burglary followed by a fight. She could have been stealthily hit with a hammer or other object and then to be sure the job was done shot with a firearm.

We don't know what happened in those 20 minutes between the videos and Missy arriving. Funny they haven't released video of MB arriving. For all we know, the killer changed into his/her ninja costume before the attack. Does that sound silly? Yes, but it illustrates that it is not very helpful to speculate about things we have no information about.

Same thing with the manner of death. You say, "..could have been killed from behind..." but we have no information about that. We can guess they snuck up on her, but maybe they pulled a gun on her. Maybe they wanted to rape her and she was uncooperative. Maybe they wrestled and the killer banged her head on the floor. We just don't have any information about that.

I'm not trying to argue or shoot down your theories, but we need to separate the things we have some basis for from the things that are pure speculation.

Thanks. ;-)

 

[Glammie]

It finally hit me!!! In the video, the perp looks like a motorcycle cop!!!

IF-------this was a church burglary, and the perp went to the trouble of dressing in police gear, that completely covered his entire body, even being so careful as to wear shoe covers-------wouldn't he have checked to see if there would be any scheduled activities taking place early that morning?

IMHO

I completely agree with the motorcycle thing.

 

[Gae]

Very interesting thought, Schmae. I don't think his getaway vehicle was parked in sight of the church, so where would he have waited for her to arrive? He probably thought it was safer to wait inside the building, hence the heavy police gear. He probably removed boot covers just before the attack.

IMHO

I think that's it, wildebeest. Exactly.
Less chance of being seen if the perp hides in the building and waits rather than loitering outside the building somewhere.

 

[Dushi]

Facts are the most important thing we have to work with, but IMO, we rarely have many.
So, speculation and trading ideas is what we do here

It is no different than us speculating about boot covers as we or at least I can't really see clearly what is on his feet JMHO

 

[liz b.]

The interior lights are usually left on all night in that church ? Why would that be ? Are there any exterior lights which are left on ? It's such a coincidence that Missy was leaving that church, and taking her classes elsewhere. Was this the last time she was to be at that church ? Thought I read that. If so, well, I don't believe in those kind of coincidences. Odds are just too great...jmo Is it known who lives in that house close to the church ? Any locals know ? TIA

 

[Bill Carson]

The interior lights are usually left on all night in that church ? Why would that be ? Are there any exterior lights which are left on ? It's such a coincidence that Missy was leaving that church, and taking her classes elsewhere. Was this the last time she was to be at that church ? Thought I read that. If so, well, I don't believe in those kind of coincidences. Odds are just too great...jmo

I read the same thing, that she was about to move the operation to another building, which would have to be more public than this isolated church.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

We don't know what happened in those 20 minutes between the videos and Missy arriving. Funny they haven't released video of MB arriving. For all we know, the killer changed into his/her ninja costume before the attack. Does that sound silly? Yes, but it illustrates that it is not very helpful to speculate about things we have no information about.

Same thing with the manner of death. You say, "..could have been killed from behind..." but we have no information about that. We can guess they snuck up on her, but maybe they pulled a gun on her. Maybe they wanted to rape her and she was uncooperative. Maybe they wrestled and the killer banged her head on the floor. We just don't have any information about that.

I'm not trying to argue or shoot down your theories, but we need to separate the things we have some basis for from the things that are pure speculation.

Thanks. ;-)

I have a very specific basis for saying she was struck from behind on the head. The search warrant explicitly states she received a head injury and in the videos you can see some sort of hammer/chisel/etc. and my basis for saying she was subsequently shot was based on the accelerant sniffing dog combined with the 'pending' cause of death with the prelim not determining a cause. Also we have discussed the footwear, so I don't see how it's unproductive to discuss what manner of clothing was used during the actual murder as any or all of it could have been changed, like there is the issue of traction with overshoes and the issue of leaving any tracks at all due to the wet weather.

 

[anonypotomous]

I'm curious why so many of you are looking at the motorcycle angle. Easier getaway?

 

[Glammie]

When I mentioned shoe protectors, I was referring to something like these. They're worn over shoes/boots when you come inside to keep from tracking up your floor with muddy shoes. These would account for the flopping look in the back of the shoe area. It would also account for the person who mentioned it looked like there were socks or something across the toe of the shoes/boots. It would account for the shoes looking too big for the perp. It would also account for a sloppy gait - trying to keep these protectors from sliding off the shoes/boots.
Wearing these would protect the perps shoes from leaving identifiable tracks.
Wearing these overshoes would account for all of the discrepancies in the shoe/boot/gait area.
http://www.amazon.com/Overshoes-Ind...37489&sr=8-2&keywords=boot+overshoes+slippers

Agree and reported.

 

[BluSkies]

I have a very specific basis for saying she was struck from behind on the head. The search warrant explicitly states she received a head injury and in the videos you can see some sort of hammer/chisel/etc. and my basis for saying she was subsequently shot was based on the accelerant sniffing dog combined with the 'pending' cause of death with the prelim not determining a cause. Also we have discussed the footwear, so I don't see how it's unproductive to discuss what manner of clothing was used during the actual murder as any or all of it could have been changed, like there is the issue of traction with overshoes and the issue of leaving any tracks at all due to the wet weather.

I'm not really following what the difference is either; isn't everything posted speculation?