TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, murdered in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #36

[No it's not]

So would I. I made another attempt, after these comments were published, to obtain the full video under the Open Records Act. Denied, again.


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Nice try! If and when they eventually release it, we may be able to recalculate SP's height. That just bugs me.

-Nin

 

[ezrah]

Nice try! If and when they eventually release it, we may be able to recalculate SP's height. That just bugs me.

-Nin

Can the 911 calls, video be kept from public indefinitely?


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[No it's not]

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/reward-in-missy-bevers-murder-case-increased-to-50k/

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

Can the 911 calls, video be kept from public indefinitely?


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As long as a release would interfere with the investigation, they will be kept sealed. After an arrest of course and charges filed, all evidence would be exchanged as discovery between parties. At that point, they may be released.
All MO.

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/reward-in-missy-bevers-murder-case-increased-to-50k/

-Nin

"two anonymous donors have contributed $15,000 each to the reward fund for information leading to an arrest, raising the reward total to $50,000."

 

[janesmith787]

Do you believe they have a suspect they are building a case on right now today? I don't see it. But I would love to be proven wrong. Please prove me wrong MPD!

Definitely. Also interesting reward fee is now at $50K

 

[ezrah]

Definitely. Also interesting reward fee is now at $50K

Can you clarify the significance of the reward being raised in regard to the belief that LE has a POI? Thanks


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[darring21]

Except 5'-7" isn't short for a woman, if the suspect turns out to be a woman. Since they were clear that they had no idea of the gender, the change from the first range to the second one served to eliminate most medium to tall men, but opening up the possibly for nearly any woman.

And our own resident websleuther who has quite a bit of credibility has said she comes up with more of a 5'-10". If she's right, the probability of a woman is very low, while If what LE is saying is correct, that probability is high.

So it doesn't really help the public help LE. Should we be looking for a woman or shouldn't we? If so, should we be looking for a short woman or an average one?


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Could be a man or a woman, as long as they're between 5'2" - 5'7". Seems that would eliminate about 50% of the population and maybe a much larger percent of the tips they are receiving. I assume LE felt that would be helpful.

 

[Thekt]

Spot on!

 

[WannaBDetective]

Reward doesn’t tell me much except that they don’t have allthe info they need to go to trial. Could either be saying: We’vegot someone(s) in mind but need more info (which they kind of said about amonth ago). Or they could be saying “Wereally don’t have any idea and need someone come forward to give theinvestigation some direction.”
Someone knowssomething. The last “professional” toweigh in a week or two ago essentially said, “This case is going to break whensomeone, probably someone close to her or the family, comes forward with someinfo that LE is looking for.” They didn’tspeculate the family was involved but that there’s a lot of info floatingaround and they needed someone to tell them something that will break it open.
One of the more insightful things written was an opinionthat LE my know a direction, maybe even a motive; But they can’t figure out whoSP is. And without SP, the case iscompromised. Also would explain theincreased reward.
IMO, I think between what LE has said (pretty emphatically)recently and how they and the B’s have recently acted, that family is slightlylowered on my scale. But you’ve got tokeep them solidly on the list if only because of the statistical odds.
IMO, I think the April 16 trip to Austin is not acoincidental anomaly. I think thatcould be a trigger (which doesn’t really narrow anyone out or point anydirection in particular).
IMO, the height range is pretty obviously intentionally anddeliberately stated. Yes, they couldcome within an inch or two. Without adoubt.
Measurements and analysis aside, I believe that unless they’vehad special training (say models or dancers) taller men generally walkdifferent than shorter men, and ditto for women. Different gaits, pace, overall movement. Not always. But this person doesn’t walk similar to a typical taller person (eithergender). From a people-watcher. Thoughts?
While those who pointed out that a height match doesn’t doanything to indict someone, I believe this will be a largely circumstantialcase, with 50 “too weird to be coincidental” factors telling the story. And an exact match on height could be one ofthe 50 (and not a strong one, but one)

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I just finished reading Memory Man, a novel by David Baldacci (published April, 2015). On page 35, a perp dressed in full camouflage shoots up a high school. I know it's fiction, and I don't mean to make light of Missy's terrible murder in any way, but there are some interesting similarities here. I thought a book report might help us think of new questions to ask about Missy's murder, so I wrote this one.

The story: Amos Decker is a former pro football player and retired police detective who works from his hotel room as a private investigator. Fifteen months ago, his wife, daughter, and brother-in-law were brutally murdered. The crime remains unsolved despite the perfect memory Decker was left with after a career-ending football injury 20 years earlier.
A man falsely confesses to killing Decker’s family, and at exactly the same time a mass shooting takes place at the local high school. Six students (all football players) a teacher (the assistant coach) and an administrator are killed; another teacher is critically injured. LE calls Decker in to help his former partner investigate the crime.

There is security video of a suspect walking the halls before the event. Exterior cameras were present but not functional.

>>>snips

“...it was a big guy in full camouflage gear. Face completely obstructed by a mask and a face shield.”
“Belts and suspenders,” commented Decker. “Methodical.”
“What else? Type of footwear?”
…”The video shot is from the waist up. No one we interviewed noticed his footwear. He was wearing gloves”…
“Concealment was important to him. He might have been afraid he would be recognized. You said big guy. How big?”
“Our video shot framed him with a poster hanging on the wall. We did some measurements. We’re looking at a guy at least six-two with very broad shoulders. Like yours. Strong. Definitely male. Over two hundred pounds.”
“So he walks all over the school and we only get one video shot of him?”
“Maybe he knew where the cameras were and avoided them. Maybe he’s been here before doing some recon for this massacre.”
“But in one instance he didn’t avoid the camera.”
“Why do you think? Inconsistency? Mistake?”
“Too early to tell, but if it was deliberate, we need to find out why.”

<<<snip

Fast forward to the end of the book: Camo-perp was a slender woman, five ten or eleven. She wore padding underneath the camo gear, and wedge-soled boots with three-inch heels (5'10" or 5'11" becomes 6'1" or 6'2"). She used a forgotten bomb shelter and tunnel to enter and exit the locked school unseen, and to navigate inside the school. (Is there a basement in the church? A sub-floor? A storm cellar?) She had stashed the camo-gear and weapons in the ceiling tiles of a storeroom (was the ceiling checked in the church kitchen?). Security video was used by LE to reconstruct the scene, but both the timeline and the suspect&#8217;s physical description were incorrect thanks to camo-perp&#8217;s pre-staging of cameras and valid but incorrect eyewitness reports..

Camo-perp murdered Decker&#8217;s family twenty years before the school shootings, and she kills several other people after that event. She utilizes several disguises &#8211;an old man with a dog, a waitress in a bar, a janitor. Nothing connects any of the murders to each other (except in camo-perp's mind), but she leaves clues for Decker until he understands them.

As a teenager with gender-identity issues, she had been gang-raped and beaten &#8211; by cops. She recovered from her injuries, but was left with perfect memory, just as Decker had been, and a hatred for LE. She met Decker at a memory rehab/research facility, where he decided to become LE.

Camo-perp did have an accomplice, a psychopath who ran a website &#8220;supporting&#8221; victims of police brutality and failed justice. He fished for, fostered and fanned camo-perp&#8217;s irrational need for revenge, and helped her commit her twenty-year long crime spree..

I've tried to report the major elements of the novel that are similar to Missy's murder, but it's a complicated, complex plot, and I probably didn't get them all.
Reading this novel really creeped me out. It's so like Missy's murder, it's uncanny.
What do ya'll think?

bbm

Verrry interesting, thank you! Always useful for brainstorming!

bbm= Did Decker discover the reason why perp deliberately wanted to be seen on video at least once?

What is the connection football/school (massacre) and LE/Decker? :thinking:

bbm red= :thumb:

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crim...cle_aba2fa26-97b4-5428-adaf-74721658cc1f.html

In the warrant filed Monday in Tulsa County District Court, detectives indicated a hatchet, knife, darts and a surgical knife blade were found inside the home where Robert Bever, 18, and his 16-year-old brother Michael reportedly killed their parents and three of their siblings late July 22. The warrant also states detectives seized Kevlar knit sleeves, a balaclava hood, a neck protector, a black mask and shin guards.
Additionally, officers recovered wallets, packages, a black case, gloves, a digital storage card, documents, a purse, credit cards, a book of maps and wireless cameras, according to the document.
The warrant did not specify what the packages were or any possible footage that could be on the cameras, but stated detectives sought documents that would &#8220;establish dominion and control of the residence&#8221; and indicate plans of a &#8220;mass homicide.&#8221;

... multiple murders, perps wearing protection gear in their own home - I noticed recently.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/loca...cle_0c5ae34d-95e2-55f6-8f9c-c7218f614bf9.html

 

[Cannonball3804]

Reward doesn’t tell me much except that they don’t have allthe info they need to go to trial. Could either be saying: We’vegot someone(s) in mind but need more info (which they kind of said about amonth ago). Or they could be saying “Wereally don’t have any idea and need someone come forward to give theinvestigation some direction.”
Someone knowssomething. The last “professional” toweigh in a week or two ago essentially said, “This case is going to break whensomeone, probably someone close to her or the family, comes forward with someinfo that LE is looking for.” They didn’tspeculate the family was involved but that there’s a lot of info floatingaround and they needed someone to tell them something that will break it open.
One of the more insightful things written was an opinionthat LE my know a direction, maybe even a motive; But they can’t figure out whoSP is. And without SP, the case iscompromised. Also would explain theincreased reward.
IMO, I think between what LE has said (pretty emphatically)recently and how they and the B’s have recently acted, that family is slightlylowered on my scale. But you’ve got tokeep them solidly on the list if only because of the statistical odds.
IMO, I think the April 16 trip to Austin is not acoincidental anomaly. I think thatcould be a trigger (which doesn’t really narrow anyone out or point anydirection in particular).
IMO, the height range is pretty obviously intentionally anddeliberately stated. Yes, they couldcome within an inch or two. Without adoubt.
Measurements and analysis aside, I believe that unless they’vehad special training (say models or dancers) taller men generally walkdifferent than shorter men, and ditto for women. Different gaits, pace, overall movement. Not always. But this person doesn’t walk similar to a typical taller person (eithergender). From a people-watcher. Thoughts?
While those who pointed out that a height match doesn’t doanything to indict someone, I believe this will be a largely circumstantialcase, with 50 “too weird to be coincidental” factors telling the story. And an exact match on height could be one ofthe 50 (and not a strong one, but one)

Regarding the gait, I keep returning to the camera perspective. With it being mounted high and wide-angle, I think it's POSSIBLE that it makes the perp look shorter and squatter. And because our brains are already seeing it that way, it could also be skewing our perspective of the way the perp walks.

I'm not very confident on that line of thinking, but lean more toward 5-10 than LE's range.


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[coastal]

bbm

Verrry interesting, thank you! Always useful for brainstorming!

bbm= Did Decker discover the reason why perp deliberately wanted to be seen on video at least once?

What is the connection football/school (massacre) and LE/Decker? :thinking:

bbm red= :thumb:

Thank you for responding! Short answer: Misdirection: perp used the security camera to lay a false trail for LE to follow.
Oops! I forgot to mention Victim 1 in my report. HS V1 was female, a senior (whose father helped build that forgotten bomb shelter). She was killed at her locker, near the rear of the school. Video of the shooter came from a camera aimed at the (locked) exit door, closest to V1's locker.

LE assumed a camo-perp followed a logical path from V1, to the next closest victim, to the next, and so on, to the front of the school, where (s)he exited. Actually, the shooter took the tunnel to the bomb shelter, from bomb shelter into cafeteria, cafeteria to storeroom, storeroom to ceiling stash, to cafeteria, to hallway, to gym, to hallway, to cafeteria, to different hallway, to classroom, etc. Like that. Shooter kept LE from discovering any evidence at all, for several hours.

This was Decker's high school. He was a football star, a local legend who went on to play in the NFL. He was injured on the first play of his first pro game, never to return to football. After the injury, Decker went to a rehab for people with memory issues from trauma, where he had to decide a new life plan. He announced his plan to the other patients, one of whom was the sixteen year old rape victim. She felt insulted and disrespected, and threatened, by Decker's plan, although Decker did not know her history. She knew Decker's, because he was well known as a football player, and everybody had seen him injured on TV, and on Youtube. Decker = football. Football = high school + Decker = LE x 20 years. So Decker became the focus for her anger, and the target for her revenge.

It's a good book! Complicated, but not hard to follow. I'm leaving out a lot, I know. Thanks for thinking through it with me!

 

[DexterMorgan]

Dang.

Midlothian police brought in the feds and NYPD stingray equipment along with the Texas Rangers and Atf and whatever; And this case still isn't nowhere solved.

Plus the murder suspect was caught on tape minutes before the murder while wearing swat gear.

Oh no.

My lady would no longer be attending the 5-7am class.

Because it's obvious that LE still has no clue. Jmo

 

[Cannonball3804]

Thank you for responding! Short answer: Misdirection: perp used the security camera to lay a false trail for LE to follow.
Oops! I forgot to mention Victim 1 in my report. HS V1 was female, a senior (whose father helped build that forgotten bomb shelter). She was killed at her locker, near the rear of the school. Video of the shooter came from a camera aimed at the (locked) exit door, closest to V1's locker.

LE assumed a camo-perp followed a logical path from V1, to the next closest victim, to the next, and so on, to the front of the school, where (s)he exited. Actually, the shooter took the tunnel to the bomb shelter, from bomb shelter into cafeteria, cafeteria to storeroom, storeroom to ceiling stash, to cafeteria, to hallway, to gym, to hallway, to cafeteria, to different hallway, to classroom, etc. Like that. Shooter kept LE from discovering any evidence at all, for several hours.

This was Decker's high school. He was a football star, a local legend who went on to play in the NFL. He was injured on the first play of his first pro game, never to return to football. After the injury, Decker went to a rehab for people with memory issues from trauma, where he had to decide a new life plan. He announced his plan to the other patients, one of whom was the sixteen year old rape victim. She felt insulted and disrespected, and threatened, by Decker's plan, although Decker did not know her history. She knew Decker's, because he was well known as a football player, and everybody had seen him injured on TV, and on Youtube. Decker = football. Football = high school + Decker = LE x 20 years. So Decker became the focus for her anger, and the target for her revenge.

It's a good book! Complicated, but not hard to follow. I'm leaving out a lot, I know. Thanks for thinking through it with me!

I like Baldacci. As for the "real world", there is rarely if ever a killer who is that detailed and diabolical in their planning and execution, IMHO. If someone really were able to plan and carry out something at that level, LE would not solve it - again IMHO.

There are killers out there who THINK they're all that. But they're usually wrong, and catching them usually isn't even very difficult, as long as LE is competent.


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[ezrah]

Dang.

Midlothian police brought in the feds and NYPD stingray equipment along with the Texas Rangers and Atf and whatever; And this case still isn't nowhere solved.

Plus the murder suspect was caught on tape minutes before the murder while wearing swat gear.

Oh no.

My lady would no longer be attending the 5-7am class.

Because it's obvious that LE still has no clue. Jmo

I believe MPD does have a clue. Being able to prove it may be the issue. If the murder and planning was a group effort then that would further complicate this case. If there is a dirty cop in the mix then more complications. IMHO


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[Amateurpi1]

I believe MPD does have a clue. Being able to prove it may be the issue. If the murder and planning was a group effort then that would further complicate this case. If there is a dirty cop in the mix then more complications. IMHO


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I want to believe that LE knows who the killer is and is just firming things up, but why do they keep saying they don&#8217;t know - even as of last week? Why not just stay silent if they really do know who the killer is and are just solidifying their case? Perhaps it is to &#8220;throw the suspect off&#8221;? I don't know enough about how LE works on investigations to know if that is a legitimate tactic - but many people on this site seem to think it is.. I hope they get a break soon.

 

[coastal]

I like Baldacci. As for the "real world", there is rarely if ever a killer who is that detailed and diabolical in their planning and execution, IMHO. If someone really were able to plan and carry out something at that level, LE would not solve it - again IMHO.

There are killers out there who THINK they're all that. But they're usually wrong, and catching them usually isn't even very difficult, as long as LE is competent.


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Oh, I agree with you! Baldacci's killer took twenty years to exact revenge, planning and plotting and murdering, and hiding, all along the way. Her obsession with punishing Decker consumed her, while her perfect memory tortured her with imagined connections between things she literally couldn't forget, but remembered wrongly. She went undetected for so long because the only connection she had to her victims was in her imagination. She was only caught because she needed Decker to know who had destroyed him. Crazy as she was, her crimes made a kind of sense.

I guess that's what makes it fiction.

I wish we knew why somebody killed Missy.
I hope LE has a Decker.

 

[ezrah]

I like Baldacci. As for the "real world", there is rarely if ever a killer who is that detailed and diabolical in their planning and execution, IMHO. If someone really were able to plan and carry out something at that level, LE would not solve it - again IMHO.

There are killers out there who THINK they're all that. But they're usually wrong, and catching them usually isn't even very difficult, as long as LE is competent.


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The fictional scenario would surely have the suspect taking valuables from the faked burglary for one. Probably would not have left tools with the body also. Hopefully there are more missteps by perp(s) in MBs case that will lead to an arrest.


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