TX - Uvalde; Robb Elementary, 19 children and 3 adults killed, shooter dead, 24 MAY 2022 #2

[steeltowngirl]

If no one voluntarily wants to go through the hoops of testing and training to qualify for concealed carry on a school campus that fine with me.

Not so sure about a total ban on it though. JMO.

Oh, I wasn’t suggesting concealed carry on campus be banned. I just don’t see arming teachers as being a key measure to increase school safety. I would like to see other security measures, such as one entrance, exterior fire doors that open outward only, no exterior handle, metal detectors, trained security officers.

But I am hearing that those measures are not proven to improve safety in schools. They will also cost billions in tax dollars, most of which would get passed on to the local communities. And it will get lost in red tape, mismanagement, and take years to be implemented.

No matter what we do, someone loses. Or we do what we have done each time there’s a school shooting. Nothing.

I predict the losers will once again be our children.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I’m sorry but there is a radical differ cR between trained law enforcement and teachers. Cops make a living knowing how to use a gun and protect people. Teachers do not. Moreover, police have to take psych tests to become law enforcement.

And again, you’re not coming up with how teachers are supposed to teach while also acting as armed guards. It’s just not compatible, IMO. Not logical.

Teachers or school staff who volunteer to conceal carry at school can take the same kind of tests that LE does. They can take firearm training courses like LE does.

Since these school shootings are rare most teachers would spend their entire career teaching without ever having to touch their concealed carry weapon while at school.

I also agreed with you that having an armed LE officer on campus was a good idea.

I still think that keeping these miscreants outside of schools in the first place makes much more sense then having armed school staff. JMO.

 

[WingsOverTX]

 

[Wise Old Owl]

91% of shooters are students or former students of the school.

THAT!!!! That right there.

Our schools are failing. Miserably. In a whole lot of areas including this.

I don't know what the answer(s) are. But WE HAVE TO DO BETTER!

These are our children. They are our future!!!

ok - sorry - rant over.......

 

[WingsOverTX]

2 mass shootings — 1,700 miles apart but bound by startling similarities

These two tragedies share similarities, including certain aspects of the suspects and how the weapons were accessed.

www.npr.org

We could be at a turning point.

Uvalde is an opportunity to potentially stop school shootings if insights into past perpetrators are used to better understand the "whys", rethink assumptions & implement strategies that flag these mostly angry young men.

These researchers are not just theorists. In the video I posted above, it is suggested that shooter drills in schools are actually training potential perps in being more "successful". Not the conventional wisdom, but interesting.

I'm heartbroken that this information did not prevent the loss of these precious children. We can honor them by examining our assumptions and the usual rhetoric that has not changed anything.

JMO

 

[sds71]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1531810874524160000

 

[Wise Old Owl]

2 mass shootings — 1,700 miles apart but bound by startling similarities

These two tragedies share similarities, including certain aspects of the suspects and how the weapons were accessed.

www.npr.org

We could be at a turning point.

Uvalde is an opportunity to potentially stop school shootings if insights into past perpetrators are used to better understand the "whys", rethink assumptions & implement strategies that flag these mostly angry young men.

These researchers are not just theorists. In the video I posted above, it is suggested that shooter drills in schools are actually training potential perps in being more "successful". Not the conventional wisdom, but interesting.

I'm heartbroken that this information did not prevent the loss of these precious children. We can honor them by examining our assumptions and the usual rhetoric that has not changed anything.

JMO

BBM
I have thought about this and talked to some 4th graders that I tutor (they are home-schooled) and come to me 3-4 times a week. They even mentioned this - especially the boys (who are gamers).

Columbine happened in 1999 - we started active shooter drills in the schools shortly after this.

This means we have now raised an entire generation in the schools that have participated in these drills. They are as common as fire drills and they all know what to do.

As they become teenagers they start reading online about the previous shootings. SOME (these are the ones) become so obsessed with them - well, they want to "copy" that - they see it as a competition - "I can get more......" And they can because they already know what the schools do when an active shooter is in the building. That's why even locking the doors anymore won't matter - they know it and shoot their way in. They all carry these high velocity, high capacity, assault guns because they need the firepower and they know they have the regular cops out-gunned. They are getting smarter.

Education has to change - our "education centers" have to change.

JMHO

 

[Wise Old Owl]

As a sidenote - the article I just quoted above. Talked about his "body armor" - it was a vest, it didn't have the shield (kevlar) in it. It was designed to hold magazines. I have wondered how he carried all those mags. Well, there it is. We had a discussion about these mags yesterday. They found 58 at the scene - both on him and in the truck he crashed. 58!!! Now we know how he was able to carry that much ammo.


Shame. He had ambition. He had motivation. He was a problem-solver. He developed a plan. He had a goal. Shame he couldn't have taken those skills/talents in a different direction and actually done some good in the world instead............................................

JMHO

 

[wary]

So you can't leave the doors unlocked by mistake?

I believe I know the system that the quoted post described. You can ‘unlock’ the door from the outside and go in, leaving the door locked. (Hold it open so the crowd of students can enter, and then slam it closed, and locked.)

OR, you can unlock it from the outside and ‘lock it unlocked,’ so to speak. Then anyone can enter and leave at will. (As a substitute teacher with a trace of right/left/clockwise/counterclockwise confusion, I’d always test the door when I locked up at the end of the day.)

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I believe I know the system that the quoted post described. You can ‘unlock’ the door from the outside and go in, leaving the door locked. (Hold it open so the crowd of students can enter, and then slam it closed, and locked.)

OR, you can unlock it from the outside and ‘lock it unlocked,’ so to speak. Then anyone can enter and leave at will. (As a substitute teacher with a trace of right/left/clockwise/counterclockwise confusion, I’d always test the door when I locked up at the end of the day.)

Perhaps the "lock it unlocked" type locks should be replaced with locks that force you to place the door lock into a locked condition before you can remove your key.

I understand that having to deal with multiple locked doors is a big inconvenience but the advantage they give in preventing unauthorized entry to schools and classrooms may go a long way in preventing these tragedy's. JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

The last classroom I taught in was joined with another classroom with a shared closet in the middle. Each classroom had it's own hallway door. Maybe that is how these classrooms were set up.

At last Friday's presser, I recall the Director of DPS stating that there was a Jack & Jill restroom between the joint classrooms of Mireles and Garcia, or rooms 111 & 112.

 

[Seattle1]

Natalie Arias, M.Ed.
@natariastx

Eva Mireles and Irma Garcia were two of the greatest teachers Uvalde, TX has ever known. Their classroom was full of fun, growth, giggles, teamwork, and, most of all, love. Their legacy will live in the hearts of our community forever. #uvaldestrong




10:23 PM · May 24, 2022·

 

[Seattle1]

'He shot my friend' | Survivor of Robb Elementary shooting shares account from inside the classroom​

 

[Seattle1]

A look at how the Uvalde shooter made entry into Robb Elementary and what happened inside​

 

[zecats]

Natalie Arias, M.Ed.
@natariastx

Eva Mireles and Irma Garcia were two of the greatest teachers Uvalde, TX has ever known. Their classroom was full of fun, growth, giggles, teamwork, and, most of all, love. Their legacy will live in the hearts of our community forever. #uvaldestrong


10:23 PM · May 24, 2022·

Looks like they are sharing one larger room in this photo. I don't see where the connecting room is from this POV. I also see M on one side (for Mireles) and G on the other (for Garcia).

Likely they taught together during some subjects and separated the groups for others.

When teachers co-teach, often one is certified in Special Ed (that would be me) and they work together in a classroom with the subject specialist (or elementary certified) teacher. I seem to remember seeing a Spec Ed cert on the link for one of these teachers.

It's such an innocent scene. It's so senselessly heartbreaking they are gone, along with 19 kids.

 

[sds71]

Town of Uvalde Pays Respects to Teacher Irma Garcia and Her Husband Joe, Who Died 2 Days Apart

Irma Garcia died while protecting her students from a gunman who killed 19 children and another teacher last Tuesday in the United States’ second-deadliest school shooting

people.com

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/joe-garcia-irma-garcia-uvalde-04-1.jpg

Jose Garcia Obituary May 26, 2022 - Rushing-Estes-Knowles

View Jose Garcia's obituary, send flowers, find service dates, and sign the guestbook.

www.rekfunerals.com

 

[Dotta]

Grandma's horror

Neighbor says Uvalde shooter's wounded grandmother ran to his home

Gilberto Gallegos, 82, was gardening in the front yard of his Uvalde, Texas home when he heard gunshots ring out at his neighbor, Celia Gonzales's home across the street last Tuesday.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[sds71]

@ValerioCNN

@CNN Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Chief, Pedro Arredondo, tells CNN exclusively he’s in touch daily w TX Dept of Public Safety. When asked about reports he wasn’t cooperating, he told @aaroncooperNYC
“I am in contact with DPS everyday”

@OmarJimenez
Arredondo did not go into any further details with CNN’s Aaron Cooper about what “contact” means, but this is in direct contrast to what Texas DPS has said, that he has not responded to their requests for a follow up interview in days.

 

[x_files]

If teachers

I guess we can arm the cafeteria workers too. I am still struggling with how staff will take on an active school shooter when 19 officers could not.

If teachers or the lunch lady feel comfortable being armed, but many do not.
I'd prefer guns weren't sold to 18-year-olds with sealed juvie records, but if the law cannot be changed or the age raised to at least 21 then schools will have to become locked down tight with armed security guards. But that includes all shopping malls, grocery stores, everywhere.
Literally, no place is safe.

 

[Dotta]

@ValerioCNN

@CNN Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Chief, Pedro Arredondo, tells CNN exclusively he’s in touch daily w TX Dept of Public Safety. When asked about reports he wasn’t cooperating, he told @aaroncooperNYC
“I am in contact with DPS everyday”

@OmarJimenez
Arredondo did not go into any further details with CNN’s Aaron Cooper about what “contact” means, but this is in direct contrast to what Texas DPS has said, that he has not responded to their requests for a follow up interview in days.

Oh well...
A pinch (or maybe a kilo!) of salt is needed when reading all of these reports.

On the other hand,
It seems, SR didn't have much time to write this message to the German girl, as he ran from the house immediately after shooting his grandma.