TX - Uvalde; Robb Elementary, 19 children and 3 adults killed, shooter dead, 24 MAY 2022 #2

[Charlot123]

This reminds me of Columbine teacher David Sanders, who bled to death over four hours. The kids even hung a sign out the window: "1 bleeding to death." That was over 20 years ago.

https://extras.denverpost.com/news/col1122d.htm.

Poor Sanders, he was a real hero.

 

[WingsOverTX]

MOO Don’t forget the first officers on scene who saw a teacher at the door and went toward them, thinking they could be the shooter. The gunman was hiding in the parking lot. He got in through the back door 2 or 3 minutes AFTER the officers arrived at the back door. Why didn’t the officers shut the door? MOO

Source, please. If true, this is critical info about the response.
TIA

 

[WingsOverTX]

I'm surprised that everyone is bringing up the fence. Do all schools have fences in this area? All the schools in the midwest where I live, as well as the one where I grew up, they do NOT have fences unless it's around a playground. Definitely not in the front yard.

Perimeter fencing is one method of "hardening" school campuses. Many schools in Texas at all grade levels have fencing. Schools can apply for Safety and Security grants that can help pay for this and other security measures. Texas has 254 counties with 1,247 public school districts.

2019–2021 School Safety and Security Grant | Texas Education Agency

tea.texas.gov

Stories about fencing schools in Texas:
Killeen ISD:
Perimeter fencing still being installed at some KISD schools

San Antonio NEISD:

NEISD to install perimeter fencing at high schools

In the next couple of months, the community will see added safety improvements at the District’s high school campuses.

www.neisd.net

New Braunfels:

Freiheit Elementary

Comal ISDCharter School Private school Best School District

www.comalisd.org

Amarillo ISD:

Redirect Notice

 

[Dawookie]

Including the person who sold him the guns

Won't happen unless they broke the law with the paperwork. FFL license holders for the most part so everything by the book because of how bad the penalties are if they don't.

 

[Shamrock1]

“It was awful," he explained. "It was a high-power rifle injury. Almost decapitation, to that level. Open chest wounds. These are war wounds. It's as if things exploded once the bullets hit the bodies."

Uvalde’s only pediatrician shares the horror of treating school shooting victims

As the only pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, Dr. Roy Guerrero was called to the hospital to help shooting victims. There, he found patients he's known since infancy.

www.today.com

 

[Charlot123]

That works too BUT there are kids who do NOT trust nor tell their parents everything esp if they are on an sm app they are not supposed to be on. Kids can get secretive and scared.
I'm an adult and I've had threats so disturbing I was almost too afraid to report out of fear they might retaliate.
My mind immediately goes to this tragic story, this teen was 17 and too scared to talk to his own mother that was home:

A 17-year-old boy died by suicide hours after being scammed. The FBI says it's part of a troubling increase in 'sextortion' cases. | CNN

Ryan Last received a message on a school night in February from someone he believed to be a girl.

www.cnn.com

Especially given that they do not want to tell the parents they are on Yubo. Some parents will respond, some will be like: “and what are you doing on these apps for perverts? Give me your cellphone…” and then the kid loses privileges, and the parents forget to call the authorities.

 

[LolaAngelina]

“It was awful," he explained. "It was a high-power rifle injury. Almost decapitation, to that level. Open chest wounds. These are war wounds. It's as if things exploded once the bullets hit the bodies."

Uvalde’s only pediatrician shares the horror of treating school shooting victims

As the only pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, Dr. Roy Guerrero was called to the hospital to help shooting victims. There, he found patients he's known since infancy.

www.today.com

Omg that poor little girl who had her teacher tell her she didn’t want to die and slid her phone to her! Very smart girl to not react and play dead but she is likely to still blame herself that she didn’t help the teacher.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

It terrifies me. I am torn up at the idea that victims of school shootings like me are now faced with the possibility of becoming parents of victims of school shootings.

11 Survivors Of US School Gun Violence Share The Long-Term Impact

Since Columbine in 1999, more than 311,000 students have experienced some form of gun violence at school. And it has stuck with them.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

Meanwhile, in Florida...

Florida student, 10, arrested for 'threatening school shooting'

A 10-year-old in Florida was arrested Saturday after he was accused of sending a text message in which he allegedly threatened to shoot up his school

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Charlot123]

salvador rolando ramos: Who was the 18-year-old Texas school shooter? Friends say, Salvador Rolando Ramos was bullied as a child, grew up aggressive and violent - The Economic Times

Who was the Texas school shooter? Reports of a school massacre made their way when an 18-year-old boy opened fire at an elementary school In Texas. According to friends and family, he was severely bullied in school and had trouble with his mother.

m.economictimes.com

I think this needs to be discussed as well. Mother, a drug addict; both parents with criminal history. The same question I am asking myself, over and over: if he were bullied and did not want to go to school, why not attack the bully? Why the children?

Two questions: Did he go to to the same elementary school that he later attacked?

And, any history of physical or sexual abuse at home?

Per his father, SR’s sister does not talk to the father. What was going on in the family?

How his mother words it is also very strange.

Forgive my son - Mother of shooter asks people 'not to judge' son

Salvador Ramos' mother Adriana Reyes aka Martinez, said in Spanish: 'I have no words. I have no words to say. I don't know what he was thinking.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Simply Southern]

What I find extraordinary is that 2 persons directly responsible for school and security:

- the Principal/Head teacher
- Chief of School Police

haven't spoken to the public and Press yet.

I mean formal speeches.

Expressing condolences.

I was surprised to see the Principal hugging the President, after not speaking to the community or the press. Not a good look in my opinion. Moo

 

[BrownRice]

I'm surprised that everyone is bringing up the fence. Do all schools have fences in this area? All the schools in the midwest where I live, as well as the one where I grew up, they do NOT have fences unless it's around a playground. Definitely not in the front yard.

Agree. The campuses are open. Kids play on the playgrounds and fields when school is closed.

 

[BrownRice]

“It was awful," he explained. "It was a high-power rifle injury. Almost decapitation, to that level. Open chest wounds. These are war wounds. It's as if things exploded once the bullets hit the bodies."

Uvalde’s only pediatrician shares the horror of treating school shooting victims

As the only pediatrician in Uvalde, Texas, Dr. Roy Guerrero was called to the hospital to help shooting victims. There, he found patients he's known since infancy.

www.today.com

That’s a heartbreaking article.

 

[osu]

Source, please. If true, this is critical info about the response.
TIA

From an updated timeline:
MAY 28, 2022 / 4:14 PM

BBM

• 11:27 a.m.: An exterior door to the school is propped open by a teacher.
• 11:28 a.m.: The gunman's truck crashes into a ditch near the school. A teacher runs into a room in the school to retrieve a phone and goes back to the open door. Two males from a nearby funeral home head to the scene of the crash but start running toward the funeral home when they see the gunman with a weapon. The gunman fires at them but doesn't hit them.
• 11:30 a.m.: A person, apparently the teacher, calls 911 to report the crash and the armed gunman.
• 11:31 a.m.: The gunman reaches the last row of vehicles in the school parking lot. The gunman begins shooting at the school. Police vehicles are responding to the funeral home. A school resource officer responds to the school from off campus, driving past the gunman, who is “hunkered down” behind a vehicle. The resource officer speeds toward a teacher behind the school, thinking they were a suspect.
• 11:32 a.m.: Multiple shots are fired at the school.
• 11:33 a.m.: The gunman enters the school. He then begins shooting into room 111 or room 112 in the school, which are connected by a doorway through their shared wall. The gunman fired at least 100 rounds.
• 11:35 a.m.: Three Uvalde police officers enter the school through the same door as the gunman. Two of those officers suffered "grazing wounds" from the gunman, McCraw said. Later, three additional police officers and a sheriff's deputy entered the school.

Texas law enforcement official provides detailed timeline of deadly school shooting and police response

 

[Dotta]

Schools boost security

After Texas shooting, schools around US boost security

In the aftermath of the elementary school massacre in Uvalde, Texas, schools around the U.S. have brought in additional security staff and restricted visitors as they deal with a new rash of copycat threats. For some families and educators it all has added to uneasiness in the wake of the...

www.aol.com

 

[Dawookie]

I'm surprised that everyone is bringing up the fence. Do all schools have fences in this area? All the schools in the midwest where I live, as well as the one where I grew up, they do NOT have fences unless it's around a playground. Definitely not in the front yard.

I wonder if it's a regional thing with not having fences. Here in California, all the schools have fences and have as far back as I can remember. Every elementary school I went to in the early to mid 80s had a fence.

 

[Dotta]

I think, fencing is a good idea.
Nearly all Primary Schools and all Kindergartens in my country are fenced.
It is 1 more barrier against intruders and... dogs

 

[WingsOverTX]

From an updated timeline:
MAY 28, 2022 / 4:14 PM

BBM

• 11:27 a.m.: An exterior door to the school is propped open by a teacher.
• 11:28 a.m.: The gunman's truck crashes into a ditch near the school. A teacher runs into a room in the school to retrieve a phone and goes back to the open door. Two males from a nearby funeral home head to the scene of the crash but start running toward the funeral home when they see the gunman with a weapon. The gunman fires at them but doesn't hit them.
• 11:30 a.m.: A person, apparently the teacher, calls 911 to report the crash and the armed gunman.
• 11:31 a.m.: The gunman reaches the last row of vehicles in the school parking lot. The gunman begins shooting at the school. Police vehicles are responding to the funeral home. A school resource officer responds to the school from off campus, driving past the gunman, who is “hunkered down” behind a vehicle. The resource officer speeds toward a teacher behind the school, thinking they were a suspect.
• 11:32 a.m.: Multiple shots are fired at the school.
• 11:33 a.m.: The gunman enters the school. He then begins shooting into room 111 or room 112 in the school, which are connected by a doorway through their shared wall. The gunman fired at least 100 rounds.
• 11:35 a.m.: Three Uvalde police officers enter the school through the same door as the gunman. Two of those officers suffered "grazing wounds" from the gunman, McCraw said. Later, three additional police officers and a sheriff's deputy entered the school.

Texas law enforcement official provides detailed timeline of deadly school shooting and police response

This does not say that LE were at the door that SR entered before he went in that same door.
MOO

 

[osu]

I wonder if it's a regional thing with not having fences. Here in California, all the schools have fences and have as far back as I can remember. Every elementary school I went to in the early to mid 80s had a fence.

Here in my community in the Midwest, none of our elementary schools are fenced. I live beside an elementary school and a middle school and the only fences are around the playground and the soccer field.

JMO

 

[Dawookie]

Here in my community in the Midwest, none of our elementary schools are fenced. I live beside an elementary school and a middle school and the only fences are around the playground and the soccer field.

JMO

That's interesting. I always assumed every school every where was entirely fenced in.