UK - 22 dead in explosion at Ariana Grande gig, Manchester, 22 May 2017 #1

[creepcrusher]

Dear Oceanblueeyes,





I believe your opinion is more popular than you think. I certainly agree with you and I know I am not alone.

No you are not. I'm right there with you.

 

[margarita25]

"The initial analysis of the bomb, based on evidence photographed and collected at the crime scene, does not specify the size or type of explosive used in the bomb’s main charge but suggests an improvised device made with forethought and care."

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"Law enforcement images of metal nuts and screws propelled by the blast, and of damage nearby, show that the bomb’s makeshift shrapnel penetrated metal doors and left deep scuffs in brick walls."

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"And a review of the location of those killed shows most of the fatalities occurred in a nearly complete circle around the bomber, Salman Abedi, whose upper torso was heaved outside the lethal ring toward the Manchester Arena entrance."

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"All of these are indicators of a powerful, high-velocity charge, and of a bomb in which its shrapnel was carefully and evenly packed.

The location of the bomber’s torso, and the apparent absence of fatalities in a line between the blast site and where his remains landed, was said by one explosive disposal technician who examined the images to indicate that the explosive charge was more likely in a backpack than in a vest, and propelled the bomber away from the blast."

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...chester-arena-bomb-materials-photos.html?_r=0

 

[margarita25]

"Certain details of the bomb further suggest a desire by a bomb-maker to reduce the risk of a dud.

The authorities found a mangled Yuasa 12-volt, 2.1 amp lead acid battery at the scene, which is more powerful than batteries often seen in backpack bombs or suicide vests. The battery, used for emergency lighting and other applications, can be bought for about $20."

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...chester-arena-bomb-materials-photos.html?_r=0

 

[margarita25]

"The possible detonator, which British law enforcement officials said was carried in the bomber’s left hand, is also unusual for a manual detonator in a suicide device, in that it appears to have contained a small circuit board soldered inside one end.

It is not clear from the law enforcement images if the object was a simple plunger switch, or included a timer or a receiver that could be operated remotely via radio signal – or some combination, or something else.

Such redundancy, if the object was the detonator, could give the bomber or a cell more than one option for deploying the device, and suggest that the bomb was not as simple in design as many terrorist devices, which often are crude and prone to failure or haphazard effect.

One independent analyst of improvised explosive devices, Michael C.L. Johnson, suggested that the object might be an electronic cigarette and unrelated to the bomb’s detonation – an understandable case of investigators focusing on a crime-scene detail early in a case.

Western bomb disposal technicians who reviewed the images for The New York Times said that a more thorough analysis of the device is difficult without more information, and that assessments of the bomb could change as the authorities analyze it further and if they collect more evidence. But its apparent overdesign, including the more powerful than usual battery, could flow from a bomb-maker’s difficulty in building a reliable detonator."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...chester-arena-bomb-materials-photos.html?_r=0

 

[gitana1]

Dear Oceanblueeyes,





I believe your opinion is more popular than you think. I certainly agree with you and I know I am not alone.

Yeah. I don't think that's unreasonable.

 

[gitana1]

Yes. Preparation for Ramadan typically includes going to pop concerts, right? And this poor, innocent Ariana Grande fan just happened to be standing right next to the ACTUAL suicide bomber (whose body magically disappeared) when the bomb went off.

Listening to the father is like listening to Mark Geragos.

http://time.com/4792224/manchester-attack-bomb-suspect-father/

 

[Tillicum]

UK official calls on US to stop leaking intel on Manchester

I'm so disgusted by the loose lips that run to NYT. My sincere apologies to the UK.

video at link

 

[shadowdancer]

UK official calls on US to stop leaking intel on Manchester

I'm so disgusted by the loose lips that run to NYT. My sincere apologies to the UK.

video at link

According to Sky News, our Prime Minister Theresa May is very angry about this and will be confronting Trump in person about it at the G7 meeting.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

A sixth person has been arrested in the UK over Monday's bombing at Manchester Arena, as police said they were investigating a "network". Police said they had arrested a woman after an armed raid at a block of flats in Blackley, north Manchester.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40032504

 

[Elley Mae]

Manchester bomber Salman Abedi's father and brothers arrested, linked to ISIS, Al Qaeda

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...eda-linked-group-ex-libyan-official-says.html

 

[creepcrusher]

Manchester bomber Salman Abedi's father and brothers arrested, linked to ISIS, Al Qaeda

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...eda-linked-group-ex-libyan-official-says.html

Well I guess I won't be praying for the suspect's family.

 

[dotr]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../manchester-arena-bombing-live-raids-13075807

 

[Snick1946]

I do not blame any of our UK friends for feeling the way they do, many of us are as upset over the apparent inability of our government officials to shut the hell up and not to go running to the NYT and other media outlets with information that ought to remain classified, at least for now. I do not intend for this to be taken as political, I am sure leaks occurred under prior administrations but this one just seems to be in class by itself when it comes to handling these things.

I posted earlier my son is in the UK at present and will be flying back home this weekend. We are trying not to over worry. It's hard not to. Thoghts to everyone affected.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I obviously don't speak for the rest of Europe, but I don't think it's the norm. It's horrific watching reports of this and the other recent events, and I'm not just trotting out the "keep calm and carry on" line - I was terrified as a kid when I saw new reports about attacks by the IRA etc, but whipping people into a frenzy doesnt help anyone, it just makes them stronger and us weaker mentally.

I agree Karen. How can mass murder ever be "the norm". Maybe for Isis it's the norm e.g. throwing people off high buildings just for having a cell phone but not in a civilised society within the rules of law. And yes we remember the IRA bombing years too and were not cowed then and neither will we be today.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I do not blame any of our UK friends for feeling the way they do, many of us are as upset over the apparent inability of our government officials to shut the hell up and not to go running to the NYT and other media outlets with information that ought to remain classified, at least for now. I do not intend for this to be taken as political, I am sure leaks occurred under prior administrations but this one just seems to be in class by itself when it comes to handling these things.

I posted earlier my son is in the UK at present and will be flying back home this weekend. We are trying not to over worry. It's hard not to. Thoghts to everyone affected.

I think it's fair to say the majority of the UK were not Trump fans even before all the recent incidents and we're counting down the 4 years... we still love you though, especially here!!

Whereabouts in the UK is your son? I hope he will see the best of British this week, not only because of the compassion and humanity shown after this attack, but the flippin' SUN is shining!

:uk: :heartbeat: :usa:

 

[Shiressleuth]

I do not blame any of our UK friends for feeling the way they do, many of us are as upset over the apparent inability of our government officials to shut the hell up and not to go running to the NYT and other media outlets with information that ought to remain classified, at least for now. I do not intend for this to be taken as political, I am sure leaks occurred under prior administrations but this one just seems to be in class by itself when it comes to handling these things.

I posted earlier my son is in the UK at present and will be flying back home this weekend. We are trying not to over worry. It's hard not to. Thoghts to everyone affected.

Your son will be fine. Don't worry and thank you for your support to us here in the UK.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Breaking News from Wigan, U.K

Undercover armed police are said to have tackled a man to the floor who allegedly approached a bus with a suspicious package.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-bus-suspicious-package.html#ixzz4i0r0FZew

All the crazies are definitely coming out today. Don't they know there's more soldiers and police on our streets ATM?

 

[Spellbound]

UK official calls on US to stop leaking intel on Manchester

I'm so disgusted by the loose lips that run to NYT. My sincere apologies to the UK.

video at link

I so agree, Tillicum. I am ashamed/embarrassed with much of the behavior of our government. add my apology to U.K. And any other countries we have offended.
:sorry:

 

[pugmom]

I do not blame any of our UK friends for feeling the way they do, many of us are as upset over the apparent inability of our government officials to shut the hell up and not to go running to the NYT and other media outlets with information that ought to remain classified, at least for now. I do not intend for this to be taken as political, I am sure leaks occurred under prior administrations but this one just seems to be in class by itself when it comes to handling these things.

I posted earlier my son is in the UK at present and will be flying back home this weekend. We are trying not to over worry. It's hard not to. Thoghts to everyone affected.

I hope your son is seeing all the good in the UK despite all the tragedy going on. I went to the UK to do a semester of university in January 2002, this being shortly after the 9/11 attacks. My parents were worried sick, and tried to convince me to stay home, but I went anyway, and I had the time of my life. I am hoping to get back again some day...the people I met were lovely and I was so impressed by all the history! If you could please report when your son gets home safe and sound, that would be great...I am a parent now so I know how my parents felt, and how you must be feeling! Sending lots of hugs your way!

 

[Shiressleuth]

Now the New York Times is leaking the pictures taken of evidence at the scene, taken by UK police forensic officers. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...e/manchester-arena-bomb-materials-photos.html

I have been disgusted by the fact that everything we have shared in good faith with the US authorities is being leaked to the press.

If US posters on here want to do something to help, I suggest that you contact your political representatives and tell them to use their influence to stop this happening.

I am truly appalled by the behaviour of our so-called ally.

So where is this leak coming from? The local police or CTU? This has to be addressed at top level.