UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #3

[Pooksthebear]

Partner of Alesha MacPhail's dad 'better candidate' for taking her, court hears

This article here says that the dad and Toni are no longer together. It also says that the injuries were not just for sexual gratification and someone set out to hurt her. This is the defences reasoning why it would be Toni.. in my mind that just reinforces the case against the accused.

 

[Sp45westie]

Was deffinitley inside, but some people find it difficult writing that, myself included, it’s less painful to write “on” IMO but In court it was deffinitley described as being “in”

Right I see I can understand that completely , so there should be no doubt at all then for the jury thankfully

 

[Pooksthebear]

You can’t comapre him to ted bundy based on a couple of short YouTube videos no one really knows how this boy comes across unless you personally know him in the videos he is polite yes but that’s it they dont give you any Indication of his character at all , the cctv from his home has him swearing and arguing with his mother the jury will have seen this

My point was that it doesn’t matter how nice someone comes across .. it doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t capable of murder. I didn’t make any comparison.. I just said that Ted Bundy also came across as nice.

 

[The Equaliser]

Good Morning Everyone. Waiting with bated breath!

 

[Owlpellet]

Partner of Alesha MacPhail's dad 'better candidate' for taking her, court hears

This article here says that the dad and Toni are no longer together. It also says that the injuries were not just for sexual gratification and someone set out to hurt her. This is the defences reasoning why it would be Toni.. in my mind that just reinforces the case against the accused.

Oooooh look at the length of TM’s fingernails in the Photo! I think it would be very apparent from the injuries if she had had anything to do with it!

I suppose she might have removed them first, if she was really a criminal mastermind... but doubt it.

 

[Alyce]

Hello yet another lurker here I have been following the case closely and I Think the accused is guilty and should be found so on the dna evidence specifically the dna on ankles , wrists , underarms etc.. one thing Im having trouble confirming is where the accused sperm was found in reports it’s saying ON the private area not inside as many on here are saying I think could possibly be an issue for some on the jury if any believe that tm had any involvement in planting it ? Maybe I’ve just missed it ?

I'm not going to pick out the wording and repost on here, but if you have a look at this article, it does say inside
( 6th paragraph down )


Alesha MacPhail: Semen from teen suspect 'found on body – but it could have been PLANTED'

 

[The Equaliser]

Will court commence at 10.30 ?

 

[Owlpellet]

I do have two unanswered questions...

Why was there apparently no injuries reported regarding the accused’s genitals? I would have expected abrasions.

How could he have been so stupid as to have left so much dna evidence? Did he just think he was invincible?

 

[Alyce]

Will court commence at 10.30 ?

It's usually sometime between 10.00 -10.30am going on previous days

 

[stephaniejanes]

I do have two unanswered questions...

Why was there apparently no injuries reported regarding the accused’s genitals? I would have expected abrasions.

How could he have been so stupid as to have left so much dna evidence? Did he just think he was invincible?

She was just a little girl. I doubt she had the opportunity to fight back, she would have been so scared and she was so little.

 

[Owlpellet]

She was just a little girl. I doubt she had the opportunity to fight back, she would have been so scared and she was so little.

No, she certainly wouldn’t have. I mean that you would expect the penis to have had abrasions from being used so violently.

 

[bronzepurple]

Err no of course she wouldn’t have. I mean that you would expect the penis to have had abrasions from being used so violently.

Anyone else feeling physically ill?

 

[stephaniejanes]

Anyone else feeling physically ill?

YES! I know from that trial I was a witness in, that when forensics got crossed on his injuries he didn't have any, despite his victim being hospitalised. And that was a 19 year old. So wouldn't always expect to see that.

 

[Edinlass]

I think Ted Bundy came across well too...

Very much so. The Charming physchopath.

 

[Thebutlerdiditagain]

Hi everyone i am an occasional lurker on this site but have read every page of the trial threads.

To restore my faith in humanity, i am hoping that you are all privvy to some special, extra info not contained herein (e.g. a history of appalling violence, rape or molestation). As it stands, all i see is a witch hunt of an innocent boy based on, literally, nothing. The name calling is shameful and the logic applied by many is not only flawed but worryingly biased.

I have no doubt that, even if found not guilty, the majority on here will consider him guilty regardless. It is scary to think that, assuming mostly adults post on this thread, any one of you could be considered for jury service.

I'm positive that many of you would relish referring to this boy as a "psycho 16 year old lying pedophile freak" as opposed to 'the accused' in line with what the above poster suggested. Unfortunately that says more about you than it does him.

I'm sorry my first post is somewhat confrontational but it seems any discussion (which you are all sure is calm, considered and appreciative of all viewpoints) that doesn't denote bloodboiling from the accused's 'arrogent', 'narcissistic', 'cold', 'psychopathic', 'immature' 'goading' behaviour is not entertained.

I usually enjoy lurking here when an interesting case arises but the twisted logic applied to the circumstances and the determination in condemning the defendant has left a bad taste in my mouth. Very odd indeed.

Witch-hunt of an innocent boy (

Hi everyone i am an occasional lurker on this site but have read every page of the trial threads.

To restore my faith in humanity, i am hoping that you are all privvy to some special, extra info not contained herein (e.g. a history of appalling violence, rape or molestation). As it stands, all i see is a witch hunt of an innocent boy based on, literally, nothing. The name calling is shameful and the logic applied by many is not only flawed but worryingly biased.

I have no doubt that, even if found not guilty, the majority on here will consider him guilty regardless. It is scary to think that, assuming mostly adults post on this thread, any one of you could be considered for jury service.

I'm positive that many of you would relish referring to this boy as a "psycho 16 year old lying pedophile freak" as opposed to 'the accused' in line with what the above poster suggested. Unfortunately that says more about you than it does him.

I'm sorry my first post is somewhat confrontational but it seems any discussion (which you are all sure is calm, considered and appreciative of all viewpoints) that doesn't denote bloodboiling from the accused's 'arrogent', 'narcissistic', 'cold', 'psychopathic', 'immature' 'goading' behaviour is not entertained.

I usually enjoy lurking here when an interesting case arises but the twisted logic applied to the circumstances and the determination in condemning the defendant has left a bad taste in my mouth. Very odd indeed.

A witch-hunt of an innocent boy (give me strength) if this was posted on a comments section of a newspaper I would have put this down to a troll trying to get a reaction

DNA
missing from the house when the poor girl went missing
clothing in sea
the list could go on this is no witch hunt this is a disgrace this is even being heard he is getting his 15 mins and putting the poor family through more pain

 

[The Equaliser]

Witch-hunt of an innocent boy (


A witch-hunt of an innocent boy (give me strength) if this was posted on a comments section of a newspaper I would have put this down to a troll trying to get a reaction

DNA
missing from the house when the poor girl went missing
clothing in sea
the list could go on this is no witch hunt this is a disgrace this is even being heard he is getting his 15 mins and putting the poor family through more pain

He is about to receive 20 years + of fame!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Edinlass]

Witch-hunt of an innocent boy (


A witch-hunt of an innocent boy (give me strength) if this was posted on a comments section of a newspaper I would have put this down to a troll trying to get a reaction

DNA
missing from the house when the poor girl went missing
clothing in sea
the list could go on this is no witch hunt this is a disgrace this is even being heard he is getting his 15 mins and putting the poor family through more pain

Agreed. He would love that some troll is defending him. Makes me physically sick.

 

[Hhp28]

Hi everyone i am an occasional lurker on this site but have read every page of the trial threads.

To restore my faith in humanity, i am hoping that you are all privvy to some special, extra info not contained herein (e.g. a history of appalling violence, rape or molestation). As it stands, all i see is a witch hunt of an innocent boy based on, literally, nothing. The name calling is shameful and the logic applied by many is not only flawed but worryingly biased.

I have no doubt that, even if found not guilty, the majority on here will consider him guilty regardless. It is scary to think that, assuming mostly adults post on this thread, any one of you could be considered for jury service.

I'm positive that many of you would relish referring to this boy as a "psycho 16 year old lying pedophile freak" as opposed to 'the accused' in line with what the above poster suggested. Unfortunately that says more about you than it does him.

I'm sorry my first post is somewhat confrontational but it seems any discussion (which you are all sure is calm, considered and appreciative of all viewpoints) that doesn't denote bloodboiling from the accused's 'arrogent', 'narcissistic', 'cold', 'psychopathic', 'immature' 'goading' behaviour is not entertained.

I usually enjoy lurking here when an interesting case arises but the twisted logic applied to the circumstances and the determination in condemning the defendant has left a bad taste in my mouth. Very odd indeed.

I would normally reserve my judgement until the end of a case but if I'm honest, I had made my mind up after the DNA evidence. I was open to having that changed had there been something solid from the defence. For me, that hasn't happened.

I believe whole heartedly in innocent until proven guilty...but I am not presently on a jury. I'm just a random person sat in my house with an opinion and it is not one that matters or has any bearing on this case when it comes down to it. I can do that and still be perfectly capable of putting my emotions aside should I ever be called to a jury. Because I know my duty if that were to happen and would take it extremely seriously.

I am well aware that the jury will have access to far more than I do so if they find him not guilty I would of course accept that and their decision. Not proven, I may feel differently. I'm a human being who is not in any way legally bound to this case, I can do that. Would I start a witch hunt? No.

I think you have maybe taken some things out of context and made assumptions of people based on their commentatory on this case and you know what they say of assumptions...

I believe he is guilty, not on a hunch but because the story concocted to explain away the evidence is not convincing enough. If that woman done that to that child, her DNA would also have been in the places his was found i.e places that caused her death and injury.

Some people do know about his past. I have read of his past, it's not hard to find. But that's rumour at this stage so it doesn't form part of my opinion. I find it interesting that knowing about his past (which would only be rumour, sometimes even if local) would make you more understanding of how some folk have reached their conclusion more so than evidence being relayed in the press? That makes little sense to me.

Finally, I understand the question mark over how he got her out the house hanging for some people. I don't understand it myself. But of course unless there's a confession there will always be parts of a brutal murder and kidnap that can't be explained. You just have to go on what is there and in this case that's a fair amount of forensic evidence. The fact remains someone did take her from the house without alerting suspicion and her family are not on trial or to my knowledge under investigation, so it seems unlikely it was them. As it appears he's the only one creeping about at that time, this furthers why I have reached my personal conclusion even with the question mark over how he got her out.

It's ok not to agree but it feels a bit like you're guilting people for having an opinion. I repeat, we are not a jury.

 

[bronzepurple]

If he (God forbid) gets set free then his mother and sister will have to sleep with one eye open if he goes back to living with them.

 

[HayLouise]

DAY EIGHT RECAP -

'"MOUNTAIN" OF EVIDENCE AGAINST THE TEEN'KEY EVENT

During yesterday’s proceedings, jurors were told there is a “mountain” of evidence against the accused teenager.

Advocate depute Iain McSporran QC said the boy, who cannot be named due to his age, had told a “pack of lies” from the witness box at the High Court.

But the teenager’s defence lawyer, Brian McConnachie QC, urged the jury to acquit his client, questioning why he would abduct, rape and murder Alesha having “never met her in his life”.

The schoolgirl had arrived at the home her grandparents shared with her father for the school holidays shortly before she went missing on July 2 last year.

Her body was found in woods on the Isle of Bute hours later.

Addressing the jury in his closing speech on the eighth day of the trial, Mr McSporran invited them to convict the accused, saying the only “true” verdict would be to find him guilty.

He added: “We say he raped and murdered her and that’s the verdict we seek.”

However, Mr McConnachie said the question the jury needs to address is whether they are satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the accused “abducted, raped and murdered a six-year-old girl he had never met before in his life” before “calmly” walking back home, “wandering around his garden like he didn’t have a care in the world” - as the lawyer said was shown on CCTV - and going to bed.

“My submission is the answer to that question has to be no and the verdict has to be one of acquittal,” he added.

He highlighted that no DNA from the accused was found in the house where Alesha had been staying, and none of the schoolgirl’s DNA or blood was found in the teenager’s home.

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