UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #4

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I expect that first time he was coming back from the crime scene, via dumping his hoodie in the sea (i know no evidence was found on it, but that could be due to the salt water and luck, it was found outside the area they were looking at and may have drifted in the water quite far), the second trip he leaves to ditch his joggers and underwear, the third, with the torch to find his phone.

 

[Tortoise]

He would know his home is covered by cctv so I'd bear that in mind when he chose how to come and go, to cover his tracks. Same as sauntering along as if he didn't have a care in the world. The whole reason he was going in and out was because he was panicked about hiding stuff. So I think he was acting for the camera and is a very calculating individual.

 

[Sarahjo]

The road does, yep

So, if Aleshas house is along Ardbeg Road a bit, at junction with shore road, he was seen on CCTV carrying something/someone along shore road, could it be feesible he left her house with her, carried her along shore road and up that road then up the lane at the side of his house? So he could have been caught on CCTV earlier also crossing the road?

 

[Taskforce88]

So, if Aleshas house is along Ardbeg Road a bit, at junction with shore road, he was seen on CCTV carrying something/someone along shore road, could it be feesible he left her house with her, carried her along shore road and that road then up the lane at the side of his house? So he could have been caught on CCTV earlier also crossing the road?

Some of us believe his approach to the crime scene was further along the shore road, so he would not have been seen on his CCTV.

 

[Sarahjo]

Some of us believe his approach to the crime scene was further along the shore road, so he would not have been seen on his CCTV.

That would make more sense as someone just noted he would have known his house had CCTV so would have been a pretty stupid move to carry a little girl past it!

 

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That would make more sense as someone just noted he would have known his house had CCTV so would have been a pretty stupid move to carry a little girl past it!

It's horrible though, to think how calmly calculating he obviously was, while at the same time being in the state of mind to commit the acts and cause the injuries he did. Nauseating in fact.

 

[Sarahjo]

It's horrible though, to think how calmly calculating he obviously was, while at the same time being in the state of mind to commit the acts and cause the injuries he did. Nauseating in fact.

It so is, especially after seeing the footage, to think he is just calmly going back and forth to the crime scene maybe, once to look for something, can’t find it so goes back with torch but not being phased at what he’s seeing each time, it’s pretty sickening. At least he’s where he should be now!

 

[Alyce]

So, if Aleshas house is along Ardbeg Road a bit, at junction with shore road, he was seen on CCTV carrying something/someone along shore road, could it be feesible he left her house with her, carried her along shore road and up that road then up the lane at the side of his house? So he could have been caught on CCTV earlier also crossing the road?

Well, he could have, but he would have been walking very close to home, plus it's a longer route, to go all the way up Gortans, carrying Alesha. I think the steps are more likely, and then to come back down Gortans would be an easy run downhill.

ETA the shrine to Alesha is at the bottom of the steps , so I think that would be a further indication that this was the route

the steps google link

Google Maps

 

[Caroclaud]

You’d think he would have covered the CCTV camera, or disabled it.

 

[Alyce]

It so is, especially after seeing the footage, to think he is just calmly going back and forth to the crime scene maybe, once to look for something, can’t find it so goes back with torch but not being phased at what he’s seeing each time, it’s pretty sickening. At least he’s where he should be now!

I find it quite chilling, knowing what we know.
His Defence QC was completely accurate, when he described him as sauntering along without a care

 

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It so is, especially after seeing the footage, to think he is just calmly going back and forth to the crime scene maybe, once to look for something, can’t find it so goes back with torch but not being phased at what he’s seeing each time, it’s pretty sickening. At least he’s where he should be now!

It's also the fact that the injuries would suggest a violent sort of...frenzy, i guess is the word. But before it he is thinking how to avoid CCTV and after it he's walking round from the lane so he won't be on the CCTV coming from where he did it? That's not frenzied at all. That he was thinking about silly details of which way cctv pointed and which houses had it and how it could seem him coming from a particular direction WHILE carrying her away, causing all those injuries, the horrible things he did to her, beggars belief. Yes, very glad he's off the streets. It's frightening to think that any random normal looking person could be that way just moments before or after such a horrible crime.

 

[Alyce]

You’d think he would have covered the CCTV camera, or disabled it.

I think, as Tortoise said, it helped his plan - images of him looking very relaxed, returning from a night out

 

[Gardenista]

Ok, without referencing his house, which I think has still not been actually quoted in msm, even though the video is up, here's a google map link

His route was along the Shore - Marine Place, Pointhouse Crescent, Shore Road
and up one of those side roads to the High Road - A844.
Then to the steps on the High Road - look at the darker line in the trees, between High Road and the point just below the red marker - this indicates the steps.

At the tops of the steps is where Alesha was found

Leaving the murder scene, the route would have been down Gortans Road - which leads to the junction of Ardbeg Road and High Road



Google Maps

Thank you so much. This really helped me sort things out.

 

[nothinonyou]

Ugh gave me chills that he’s breathing so heavily coming home

 

[TaylorCallum]

Disappointed to have just read one of the Scottish Sun articles which names his mother. I don't see how it is in her best interests or in the public interest

I saw that as well. Maybe she gave them permission? I doubt it though.

 

[Sarahjo]

Well, he could have, but he would have been walking very close to home, plus it's a longer route, to go all the way up Gortans, carrying Alesha. I think the steps are more likely, and then to come back down Gortans would be an easy run downhill.

ETA the shrine to Alesha is at the bottom of the steps , so I think that would be a further indication that this was the route

the steps google link

Google Maps

Wow the steps are pretty hidden! Look pretty scary in the light never mind the dark!

 

[mrazda71]

I know one would think that but it is CATEGORICALLY not true. Children are not treated for "psychopathy" as it is not an illness. Psychopathy is only a problem if it becomes one, and it often doesn't (there are many high profile and successful people who fit the definition and would not hurt anyone). And abuse, including sexual abuse, between children is extremely common and often not properly dealt with. I know a child who was taken, aged 3, from the home due to alcoholic neglectful parent, raped in foster care by a 12yo who had been removed from their home due to sex abuse (by an adult). 12yo was moved on to a different foster home with older kids (not all older than him but older than 3) and 3yo was returned to their (still dysfunctional) parent. The 3yo is now 10 and displaying over-sexualised behaviour and she HAS got a referral to CAMHS, with a 15 month waiting list to even be seen. So lets hope she doesn't hurt any younger kids meantime eh. People think that these things get attention and help but they DO NOT.

I am aware that Psychopathy is not curable, not an illness etc and that on its own would not warrant intervention, some psychopaths are successful business leaders rather than murderers BUT if the parent of a child who is sexually abusing a sibling or killing animals reported that, I find it hard to believe that 'nothing' would be done.

 

[Keeneye]

Ok, without referencing his house, which I think has still not been actually quoted in msm, even though the video is up, here's a google map link

His route was along the Shore - Marine Place, Pointhouse Crescent, Shore Road
and up one of those side roads to the High Road - A844.
Then to the steps on the High Road - look at the darker line in the trees, between High Road and the point just below the red marker - this indicates the steps.

At the tops of the steps is where Alesha was found

Leaving the murder scene, the route would have been down Gortans Road - which leads to the junction of Ardbeg Road and High Road



Google Maps

Thanks

 

[404_notfound]

I am aware that Psychopathy is not curable, not an illness etc and that on its own would not warrant intervention, some psychopaths are successful business leaders rather than murderers BUT if the parent of a child who is sexually abusing a sibling or killing animals reported that, I find it hard to believe that 'nothing' would be done.

I'm sorry you don't believe it but it's true IME. Social work service have very few resources. If your son abused your daughter which one do you want to go into care and be further open to abuse and have access to other vulnerable kids? Or do you want a referral to CAMHS (who ARE who deal with this stuff unless a crime has been prosecuted and the offender is a ward of the court) so they can be seen in a year or two? There are very few immediate options beyond removal (and there are way more kids needing than spaces available in the care system anyway) and removal is catastrophic for most children, whether victim or offender.

 

[L White]

I'm sorry you don't believe it but it's true IME. Social work service have very few resources. If your son abused your daughter which one do you want to go into care and be further open to abuse and have access to other vulnerable kids? Or do you want a referral to CAMHS (who ARE who deal with this stuff unless a crime has been prosecuted and the offender is a ward of the court) so they can be seen in a year or two? There are very few immediate options beyond removal (and there are way more kids needing than spaces available in the care system anyway) and removal is catastrophic for most children, whether victim or offender.

Removal is most definitely happening in Scotland and England for those seen as a danger to other people in the home. You can elect to have your child removed from your care.