UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #5

[Ruben71]

I was expecting a lot more from that article when I clicked it... unbelievable how that newspaper can sensationalise anything. I’ll admit it’s not a great thing that a killer would “like” a tribute to their victim, but I wouldn’t go as far to say it was a “boast”.

As disturbing as it is, his main goal at this point is to appear as normal as possible and blend in so it's not that shocking really.

 

[Hhp28]

Well he's hardly going to say 'there's a ring operating on this island (including people far more powerful than myself) and we've used flimsy evidence to convict this boy as he is a convenient scapegoat. I'd further like to add, that it is quite hard to set people up so it was difficult to nail it exactly but people will believe anything these days so no bother'

I don't think you've ever explicitly said it (possible I've missed it though). Do you really think he is innocent?

 

[JosieJo]

Aaron claimed that the joggers & boxers were found on the beach because he'd accidentally kicked them off the pier when attempting to pick them up but ... that was a lie.

I thought those charges were dropped because it couldn't be shown to be a lie?

 

[sunshine2019]

Why would you feel less empathy for Rab?
He in NO way, by any action, invited Aaron to abduct, rape and kill his child.

I think I feel more empathy for him than her mum if anything. He will carry the added burden of it happening while she was in his care.

Also, him and parents having to sleep in the same place where A went missing and go up and down those stairs. I really feel they should be rehoused somewhere but I suppose they would have to pay rent and maybe they can't afford it.

 

[mrazda71]

How do you know exactly how much he sold and to how many people. He was selling to a 14 year old as was proved by himself so how many other 14 year olds were buying from him ?

I don't know that ... do you?

 

[sunshine2019]

All this about who directed her to look at the CCTV etc, a girl had been raped and murdered on the island, literally 100 odd meters from the house, you have CCTV you go through it to see if you can see anything at all, that may help. There is no cover up or conspiracy here, also if it was requested that someone ask AC mom to check, It is most likely TM and RM seen missed calls from AC around that time and have made a point to check that line of inquiry, if my son went missing and I got unexpected missed calls at 2am i would be round at the door of that persons house asking why you called me did you see something???? anything???

Also, EVERYONE on the island would have been checking their CCTV.

 

[DanceCard]

I thought those charges were dropped because it couldn't be shown to be a lie?

Have you got a link that says this was the reason given for dropping those charges?
I've followed the trial but I don't remember reading an explanation from the court about why those charges were dropped. I drew my own conclusion as to why but haven't seen any official reason.

 

[sunshine2019]

Have you got a link that says this was the reason given for dropping those charges?
I've followed the trial but I don't remember reading an explanation from the court about why those charges were dropped. I drew my own conclusion as to why but haven't seen any official reason.

I think the charges were dropped because it would have muddied the waters in terms of the stronger evidence for the other charges. Noone would have believed his tall tale for a second though, IMO.

 

[Yenriac]

Have you got a link that says this was the reason given for dropping those charges?
I've followed the trial but I don't remember reading an explanation from the court about why those charges were dropped. I drew my own conclusion as to why but haven't seen any official reason.

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It just means the prosecution couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that AC attempted to defeat the ends of justice by showering and disposing of clothing.

 

[DanceCard]

I think the charges were dropped because it would have muddied the waters in terms of the stronger evidence for the other charges. Noone would have believed his tall tale for a second though, IMO.

Yes, exactly, that was also the conclusion that I drew. My own conclusion, IMO, MOO etc. But the poster is stating something quite different.

 

[JosieJo]

Have you got a link that says this was the reason given for dropping those charges?
I've followed the trial but I don't remember reading an explanation from the court about why those charges were dropped. I drew my own conclusion as to why but haven't seen any official reason.

I will have a look ..not sure ..but I cant think of any reason to drop the charge unless it cant be proven?

 

[JosieJo]

Yes, exactly, that was also the conclusion that I drew. My own conclusion, IMO, MOO etc. But the poster is stating something quite different.

In theory that makes sense .. but breaking it down ...why do you feel it would muddy waters?

 

[Taskforce88]

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It just means the prosecution couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that AC attempted to defeat the ends of justice by showering and disposing of clothing.

And as others said, dropping this charge allowed the jury to focus on the most serious charges.

 

[JosieJo]

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It just means the prosecution couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that AC attempted to defeat the ends of justice by showering and disposing of clothing.

Yes .. cant be proven

 

[JosieJo]

And as others said, dropping this charge allowed the jury to focus on the most serious charges.

But why ? If it can be proven it's more positive evidence for prosecution

 

[Yenriac]

In theory that makes sense .. but breaking it down ...why do you feel it would muddy waters?

It's a charge they cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt, none of Alesha's dna in his home or on his clothing therefore they cannot prove he attempted to defeat the ends of justice. He gave an explanation on how the clothes ended up where they did and the prosecution could not prove otherwise. Asking the jury to deliberate on a charge that they couldn't prove would have muddied the waters, removing the charge simplifies it for the jury.

 

[JosieJo]

Playing devils advocate.. if they felt it couldn't be proven how can they say his boxers left fibres on the day as went missing

 

[Yenriac]

But why ? If it can be proven it's more positive evidence for prosecution

But it can't be proven and wasn't.

 

[JosieJo]

It's a charge they cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt, none of Alesha's dna in his home or on his clothing therefore they cannot prove he attempted to defeat the ends of justice. He gave an explanation on how the clothes ended up where they did and the prosecution could not prove otherwise. Asking the jury to deliberate on a charge that they couldn't prove would have muddied the waters, removing the charge simplifies it for the jury.

It does ...but that is all based on that it cant be proven

 

[JosieJo]

But it can't be proven and wasn't.

Exactly...couldn't be proven